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Losing Tevez is not a disaster for City

Postby paulmclaren » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:39 am

When Carlos Tevez joined West Ham on the last day of the 2006 summer transfer window with Javier Mascherano – in arguably the most extraordinary episode of illegal transfer-dealing of the last decade – it fell to Alan Pardew, who was the manager at the time, to try to explain it.


"When I met the players I didn't have to sell West Ham United to them," Pardew said. "They knew all about our success last season and our style of play as the Premiership is shown on TV in South America every week."

Unfortunately for Pardew – who it turned out was just as bewildered as to what Tevez was doing at Upton Park as the rest of us – he could not have sounded less convincing had he been standing in Green Street market behind a suitcase of reconditioned mobile phones.

Tevez has made a habit – sometimes unintentionally, sometimes not – of making managers and clubs look daft. In his wake as he has shimmied and feinted his way across English football in the last four years is a trail of rows and fall-outs. Yes, he is a good player but he also comes with a health warning as to his potential effect on a club's sanity.

West Ham? The club had to agree £21m in compensation for breaching the third-party rules on player ownership over Tevez's deal. Manchester United? His provocative gestures to the Old Trafford directors' box were followed shortly by the most rancorous cross-Manchester transfer in history. Manchester City? He wants out.

The latest missive from Planet Tevez – a transfer request to City a week ago today – leaves City with no choice. If they wish to live up to their ambitions to be a club who operate according to the scale and ambitions of Europe's elite; if they want to recruit players who buy into the ethos of the club, then there is only one thing for it. They have to get rid of Tevez.

The disclosure of Tevez's state of mind did rather take the gloss off the day on which City went joint top of the Premier League and there will doubtless be many at the club feeling a little bruised by the experience. The time for trying to talk him out of it, however, has long since passed.

Over the past 19 months, City have mollycoddled and appeased Tevez. They have, as they admitted yesterday, made him the best-paid player at the club. Mancini has given him the captaincy and the club have endured his haughty reaction to being substituted as well as that general sense you get from him that he is doing City a favour by turning out every week.

For his part, the player has cited irreconcilable differences with Roberto Mancini for his dissatisfaction and the strain of being away from his two daughters, who live in Buenos Aires. That second factor does give the debate a different dimension.

Depression can afflict anyone, even those on £250,000-plus-a-week and if Tevez really is prepared to swap a mansion in Cheshire for the relatively modest wage of a domestic footballer in Argentina, then good luck to him. But if he uses that to secure his release and then agitates to go to Real Madrid or Barcelona, he loses the argument immediately.

The consolation for City is that their vast Abu Dhabi resources mean they are much better-placed to deal with a mutinous Tevez than United were in the summer of last year. When Tevez left United, they signed Antonio Valencia, Michael Owen, Mame Biram Diouf and Gabriel Obertan which, given that Cristiano Ronaldo also left, was not the response of a club who could pay whatever it took to sign the best in the world.

City, on the other hand, can sign whoever they like. Of course they have an obligation to negotiate the best possible fee they can for Tevez, – who cost them as much as £45m – which will not be easy if he has his heart set on Boca Juniors, but even if he was to retire and leave them with no compensation, they could still bear the cost.

This latest act of rebellion by Tevez will be used to diminish City and the old charge will be levelled at them they are not big enough – whatever that means – to retain their best players. But the impending departure of Tevez from City, if this is what it comes to, is not the end of the dream for City or the moment that proved they were wrong.

Really it is just another shocking example of how hard it is to manage the whims and problems of the biggest players in the world and their agents. It was only in October that Wayne Rooney pinned Manchester United to the floor with his threats to leave. United decided that they simply could not afford to lose Rooney and raised their offer. City's wealth means they have more options.

City and Mancini must demonstrate the truth of the assertion - one made by their old enemy Sir Alex Ferguson – that a manager can never lose an argument. Or at least can never be seen to lose an argument. That was why Ferguson made sure that, even when Rooney won the game of brinkmanship with United, it was his manager who triumphed in the propaganda battle that followed.

Losing Tevez is not a disaster for City. But bending over backwards to try to keep a player who has acted as if he was too good for the place on far too many occasions – now, that is a disaster.

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Re: Losing Tevez is not a disaster for City

Postby john68 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:59 am

I'm glad you have calmed somewhat Mr Mclaren. Losing any player may be a problem in the shorter term but in the longer term, they all go. Some transfer, others retire or are injured and others lose their magic. All are replaced.

90 years ago, City lost a whole team to scandal and life bans. Life for City continued. Greats and legends all have had their times and disappeared into sky blue sunset...all have been replaced.

Tevez is no different, love him or hate him, he was going to leave at some point and if that point is now, then so be it. City, especially with our resources are well placed to plug the gap...and life will continue.

The one positive is that we have the goals he scored and the points we gained, already banked. He doesn't take them with him.

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Re: Losing Tevez is not a disaster for City

Postby john@staustell » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:38 am

I agree with the article.

Plus no-one has yet pointed out that Tevez is far too ugly for City - the club of Rodney Marsh, Silva and Santa Cruz. He fitted in at Ugly United, where Shrek, Psycho Keane, Fletcher, Scholes, Brian McClair, Luke Chadwick and a host of other snarling ugly fuckers have plied their trade. It's probably for the best.

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Re: Losing Tevez is not a disaster for City

Postby ant london » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:15 am

Good article and I almost missed it due to who had posted that too ;-)

In all seriousness the article is spot on. I know that this, following on from the Robinho situation, could/can be interpreted as a disaster for us and it can certainly be twisted and manipulated to make us look pretty silly.

BUT...I think we have to remain philosophical to an extent. It is clear as day to me that both Robinho and Tevez are mentally a bit unstable and/or fragile and both can clearly be shown to not have exactly the best judgement in the world (Tevez going to West Ham and then taking the risk of going from United to City for example, Robinho's petulant Real press conference and subsequent last minute ditching of (the safe move to) Chelsea and coming to us).

We benefitted from their slight mentalism as a more considered player, in each of their situations would very likely not have signed for us when they did. However, we are now also being stung by exactly the same character traits/foibles/weaknesses that led us to be able to sign them in the first place. C'est la vie.

Fact of the matter is.....Carlos Tevez has said that he wants to leave. His reasons are questionable but the most important things in what he has (or has not said) is the fact that he has nothing bad to say about the owner, the manager, his teammates or the club in general. There is nothing in the circumstances surrounding his transfer request that should put off any other top level potential replacements....he just looks a bit weak and a bit mad if I'm totally frank.

I think he is mental for having done the interview that was aired last week...whenever that was filmed if he had wanted to leave in the summer. I do question the wisdom of airing that interview last week, seems likely now that it was clearly done to pressure him into staying publically and make him look a cunt if he continued to say he wanted to leave. Whoever made that call....well it has backfired quite spectacularly and it would not surprise me at all if this is one of the big reason he is raging against "certain executives"....well, that combined with the statement yesterday.

We can replace Carlos Tevez.....fortunately. I'm gutted that he wants to go, really am. I won't give up hope until it's set in stone but I don't have a great deal of hope right now.

The main cause for optimism in my view is the fact that we are going to be going into the market for a striker to come into a team who are currently top of one of the world's two best leagues. To come into a team and squad chock full of quality, performing well, playing good football and....well, they'll get paid a shitload.

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Re: Losing Tevez is not a disaster for City

Postby john@staustell » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:26 am

I am a little surprised by the uninamity of opinion inside and outside the club on this. Even the dreaded Sunday Supplement were very impressed with the club's statement and handling of the issue so far. Twelve months ago this would have been something of a disaster, but the club and squad have moved on so far it's 'oh well, just get another'. English football seems to have heard enough from Mr Tevez.

Nearly all are agreed Joorabchian is a crooked, greedy, swindling bastard and that Emo is completely, utterly potty.

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Re: Losing Tevez is not a disaster for City

Postby CityFanFromRome » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:38 am

The article in the OP is spot on. As much as it may hurt us fans, because we have come to love Tevez for his work rate and goals, the club is bigger than him and if he wants out, he will be replaced. As far as it is on our terms (mainly, with the price tag we establish), I don't see any problem for us in this. Not in the long term, although it may affect our form if we sell him in January (unlikely). If he stays till the summer and continues doing his job on the pitch like I believe he will, we won't even suffer from temporary loss of form.

We will come out of this well whatever happens, he may not if he pushes the "I miss my family" argument then goes to another European top club.
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Re: Losing Tevez is not a disaster for City

Postby john@staustell » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:48 am

CityFanFromRome wrote:The article in the OP is spot on. As much as it may hurt us fans, because we have come to love Tevez for his work rate and goals, the club is bigger than him and if he wants out, he will be replaced. As far as it is on our terms (mainly, with the price tag we establish), I don't see any problem for us in this. Not in the long term, although it may affect our form if we sell him in January (unlikely). If he stays till the summer and continues doing his job on the pitch like I believe he will, we won't even suffer from temporary loss of form.

We will come out of this well whatever happens, he may not if he pushes the "I miss my family" argument then goes to another European top club.


The fact that he doesn't live with his family sort of blows that argument anyway. Seeing as he left them because he prefers trotting about BA with the likes of Brenda Aznicar.

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Re: Losing Tevez is not a disaster for City

Postby CityFanFromRome » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:15 am

john@staustell wrote:
The fact that he doesn't live with his family sort of blows that argument anyway. Seeing as he left them because he prefers trotting about BA with the likes of Brenda Aznicar.

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To be fair to him, I would be trotting with the likes of her too...but at least I don't have a family to go to.
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Re: Losing Tevez is not a disaster for City

Postby crossan » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:06 am

john68 wrote:I'm glad you have calmed somewhat Mr Mclaren. Losing any player may be a problem in the shorter term but in the longer term, they all go. Some transfer, others retire or are injured and others lose their magic. All are replaced.

90 years ago, City lost a whole team to scandal and life bans. Life for City continued. Greats and legends all have had their times and disappeared into sky blue sunset...all have been replaced.

Tevez is no different, love him or hate him, he was going to leave at some point and if that point is now, then so be it. City, especially with our resources are well placed to plug the gap...and life will continue.

The one positive is that we have the goals he scored and the points we gained, already banked. He doesn't take them with him.

WE'LL GET OVER IT...AND SO WILL HE.

Great post john and I totally agree with your thoughts,players come and go for whatever reason,MANCHESTER CITY ARE HERE FOREVER.
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