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Postby Chinners » Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:44 am

Special report: Inside City's dream factory
"Manchester City – killing football since 2008” read the rib-tickling City banner in the away end at Tottenham on the opening day of the season.
It was the Blues fans’ ironic response to some of the nonsense that has been spouted about the club since their takeover by Sheikh Mansour.
The huge injection of money, had, we were told by some of the supposed great and good of the game, distorted the transfer market, created a wage explosion and crushed their own, famed academy in one fell swoop.
The dubious validity of the first two accusations have been debated at length, but the notion that the Blues have somehow stifled their own proud record of producing academy players simply does not stack up. Indeed, a brisk walk around the academy premises at Platt Lane speaks of a set-up which is not just thriving as of old, but bursting with innovation and progress, and which has benefited from £10m of investment over the past two years.
With Uefa’s financial fair play rules appearing as a small storm cloud on the horizon of all of Europe’s biggest clubs, the academy becomes more central to City’s future than it has ever been.
City’s strategy for meeting the stringent new rules is to build a new team for the short term with the kind of outlay which has brought superstars like Carlos Tevez, David Silva and Yaya Toure to the club.
But by the time the regulations are in full swing in 2019, and the club has to meet its outgoings from its revenue, they hope the academy will still be churning out top players.
City envisage the academy being the biggest and best in the world by then, but Platt Lane’s head of education Peter Lowe says their basic task has not changed.
“People talk about the £300m or whatever it is that the current owners have spent on the business, but buying players is not a new thing in football,” he said.
“It may have gone beyond what we have seen in the past, due to the price of players these days and the number we have brought in, but this club has also produced 34 players who have made the first team in the 12 years since the inception of our academy.
“There are 10 internationals in that and over 60 who are now playing in other forms of professional football. That is a pretty impressive record in anybody’s books and we will continue to produce players here because that is the expectancy of the owners.
“We know that our part of the bargain is to produce a sustainable structure, a sustainable business, in which we can continue to produce players.”
Mancini has bought into the strategic nature of what City are trying to do – he blooded several youngsters last season, and has continued to hand out chances.
“We have had several players in the first team this season, and Alex Nimely-Tchuimeni , Greg Cunningham and Abdi Ibrahim all played in the first team last season, while Dedryck Boyata is continuing to make a career for himself in the first team,” says Lowe. It’s not a bad return. This is the inside of a business where people are suggesting it wouldn’t continue – well it has continued, and we expect it to continue.
“We don’t produce players to play in the next game – we produce players for a career. Our product is longevity, not a five-minute job.
“The expectations of the company have not changed in that regard. The heat hasn’t been turned up at all – the pressure of the first-team manager is to get results, and our pressure is to produce players.
“That is no different to what it was ten years ago. When people see a player come through to the first team and do well, people then expect to see others do the same.”
The sight of players Guidetti, Nimely and Cunningham seeing some daylight in terms of the first team is pure gold for the staff at the academy. As well as vindicating their work, it also offers inspiration to the scores of young players who roll up at the facility, in the heart of south Manchester.
One of them is Harry Bunn, a promising 18-year-old striker who has been at the academy for nine years, and is the son of Oldham Athletic legend Frankie. And he says that the influx of masses of superstar players which came with the takeover has, far from daunting the youngsters, served to inspire them.
“The club’s history of bringing players through had a massive influence in me coming here,” he said. “It shows that players here will get a chance in the first team as long as you are good enough.
“The takeover has been a great thing. Every day you come in here and want to work hard to prove yourself, and when you see the big names ahead of you, it just spurs you on to do well.”
But City are intent on not becoming a meat market for professional footballers, and have introduced an intriguing scheme aimed at making sure they produce well-rounded human beings able to cope with the pressures of fame and fortune, or deal with the consequences of failing to make the grade.
Football has badly neglected that human side of player development in recent years, leading to car-crash footballers like Paul Gascoigne or Joey Barton. And tales of high-profile spending have helped to alienate Premier League footballers from their public, leading to a vision – often exaggerated – of a cosseted breed who live in bubbles, far removed from the everyday world. There is one story of a former Premier League manager who had previously been a top professional player, and had to ask advice on how you go about buying a television. He had everything laid on a plate for him since the age of 16, and simply did not understand the basics of everyday life.
City not only want to equip their young players with such ordinary life skills, but also to let them see the other side of life.
For that reason, every week players are involved in City’s community work, helping to coach not only kids from the club’s junior academy, but also underprivileged and disabled youngsters.
“If you cast your mind back to the disastrous results in the World Cup, a lot came out in the press,” said Lowe. “I remember one article that talked about the demise of a player’s development, not in a technical sense, but as a whole person.
“The term ‘holistic’ has been over-used, but we believe that if we provide an education for players in what the business of being a professional footballer is all about, we think his ability to become a better player – in terms of being a human being within the game – will increase.
“We have boys who leave the club every week to attend functions with City in the Community, and boys who are part and parcel of the junior academy coaching scheme.
“It also helps our boys to develop skills of an inter-personal nature, and reacting with other people, but they are also learning the other side of the job, which is being a coach.
“And it also looks at dealing with financial issues in a player’s life as he develops and gets more success in the game, and the ability to earn money becomes a reality.
“It’s a wide-ranging programme, and we feel we have gone a little step further in the development of a young player.
“We also need to teach them to be independent. Players are human beings at the end of the day, and inhabit the same society as the rest of us.
“They have the same pressures in that society as the rest of us, although theirs might be exacerbated somewhat. But they are human, open to the rigours and pressures of everyday life, so it’s about skill development.”

Santa is £4m gift for Rovers
BLACKBURN are weighing up a £4million January move to bring striker Roque Santa Cruz back to Ewood Park.
The Paraguyan has had a miserable spell at Manchester City since his £17million switch in 2009.
And with his family settled in the area, he has told friends he would welcome a return to the East Lancashire club.
Rovers chief Sam Allardyce has made an experienced striker his top priority now he has cash to spend following the takeover by poultry firm Venky's. He knows City are in no hurry to sell but would be willing to listen to offers as Santa Cruz is way down Roberto Mancini's pecking order.
They will be looking for around £4m for the ex-Bayern Munich man.
But Rovers could meet that asking price after Venky's chairwoman Anuradha Desai promised Allardyce a January warchest.
She said: "New players will be arriving. Money will be available. We are not a selling club now."

Manchester City do battle with Chelsea for PSG youngster Jean-Christophe Bahebeck and Deportivo star Pablo InsuaManchester City and Chelsea are keen on Paris Saint-Germain's teenage striker Jean-Christophe Bahebeck. The 17-year-old has yet to sign professional forms.
The two clubs are also among a group of Premier League sides monitoring Deportivo La Coruna youngster Pablo Insua who is regarded as one of the best young players in Spain.
Deportivo president Augusto Cesar Lendoiro said: 'He is under contract this season and three more, but it is an amateur contract.'
Chelsea, meanwhile, are tracking Partizan Belgrade's teenage defender Stefan Savic.
The 19-year-old made his Montenegro debut against Northern Ireland in August and also impressed during his country’s goalless draw against England at Wembley last month. The 6ft 1in centre half had a trial at Arsenal earlier this year.

Manchester City set sights on £15million Udinese ace
Manchester City have made an enquiry about Udinese defender Cristian Zapata, according to reports.
The Colombian has been valued at around £15m and can play at either centre-back or right-back.
Inter Milan have also been credited with an interest in the 24-year-old, but Radio Caracol claim that Udinese would prefer to sell to a club outside of Italy.
And that would put Roberto Mancini's mega-rich side in the driving seat to sign Zapata.

Blades will net £18m from West Ham over Carlos Tevez saga
Sheffield United are to receive a total of £18.1m from West Ham over the Carlos Tevez affair in stage payments that will be completed by 2013. The figure was itemised for the first time on Wednesday in the Blades' annual accounts.
Chairman Kevin McCabe, who fought a prolonged legal battle over the controversial circumstances of his club's relegation from the Premier League in 2007, has pledged to use the money to make his club 'totally free of external debt.'
It emerged that United borrowed £15m from Santander against the Tevez settlement and that the club now intend to repay the loan inside the next three years.
McCabe said: 'As money comes in from West Ham, the debt reduces.' He spoke yesterday of ensuring that the club's only liabilities would be his own commitment, an investment in shares and loans of around £60m.
The accounts reveal that United - whose retained loss of £18.6m is cushioned by the Tevez income - have sold Chengdu Blades, the club they owned in China, and have disposed of their interest in a hotel adjoining Bramall Lane.

DAILY BOLLOX
Stephen Ireland is looking for a January move away from Aston Villa. Fulham boss Mark Hughes is keen after the pair worked together at Manchester City, but the Cottagers would struggle to find the £8m asking price. Daily Star

Liverpool and Tottenham target Ola Toivonen expects to stay at PSV Eindhoven this winter - but the Sweden striker has opened the door to a summer move. Daily Mail

Lille admit they face a battle to keep hold of Liverpool target Eden Hazard. The 19-year-old winger is also been tracked by Arsenal and Manchester United. caughtoffside.com

Goalkeeper David De Gea has insisted he will be staying at Atletico Madrid, despite interest from Manchester United. Daily Mail

Dimitar Berbatov's agent has claimed the Manchester United striker will not be going anywhere in January. Emil Dantchev said: "There's nothing to say. He will stay in Manchester." The Sun

Chelsea are tracking Partizan Belgrade's teenage centre-back Stefan Savic as a candidate to bolster their threadbare defence. Daily Mail

Championship promotion chasers Swansea City want Chelsea striker Daniel Sturridge on loan. Daily Mirror

Blackburn boss Sam Allardyce has been promised funds to bolster his squad in January by the club's new Indian owners. Daily Mail

Middlesbrough defender David Wheater will move to the Premier League in January, says his former team-mate, Aston Villa winger Stewart Downing. The Sun

Sheffield United boss Gary Speed is chasing Arsenal's highly-rated young striker Jay Emmanuel-Thomas for a loan deal. Daily Mirror

Birmingham City's £3m midfielder Michel is wanted by Real Mallorca in January on a six-month loan deal. Daily Mirror

Bolton are ready to let Andy O'Brien join Leeds permanently when the transfer window opens. The defender has extended his loan spell at Elland Road until the start of January. talkSPORT

Crystal Palace manager George Burley is set to make a shock move to take Notts County's much-travelled striker Lee Hughes on loan. Daily Mirror

Millwall manager Kenny Jackett is ready to bid for Bournemouth's 12-goal Northern Ireland striker Josh McQuoid. Daily Mirror

West Ham striker Carlton Cole has questioned the tactics of under-fire Hammers manager Avram Grant during their 3-0 loss at Liverpool last weekend. "In the first 10 minutes we had lost the game, psychologically anyway," said Cole. Daily Mail

Chelsea striker Salomon Kalou insists the west London club have not been affected by last week's shock departure of assistant manager Ray Wilkins. The Sun

Chelsea striker Daniel Sturridge insists there is no crisis at the club despite recent speculation over the future of manager Carlo Ancelotti. talkSPORT

Liverpool's Ryan Babel has blamed former Reds boss Rafa Benitez for the problems with form and fitness that have blighted his time at Anfield. "I wasn't allowed to train extra under our former manager. Even when I wasn't involved," said Babel on his Twitter feed. Daily Mail

German former Tottenham midfielder Steffen Freund says English football needs to take its lead from Germany if the England team is to be successful. The German national U17 coach believes English clubs need to place greater focus on youth development. talkSPORT

Former Arsenal midfielder Stewart Robson believes the Gunners are suffering from mental problems and they must overcome them quickly if they are to challenge for the Premier League title. The club have lost four of their last six games in all competitions. talkSPORT

Wales still want veteran Manchester United winger Ryan Giggs, who is on a six-man shortlist, as their next national manager. Daily Mirror

Former assistant manager Ray Wilkins was sacked by Chelsea only two weeks after a bust-up with the club's chief executive Ron Gourlay, who had criticised the management team's use of substitutes. Daily Express

Manchester United striker Javier Hernandez has seen his football exploits recognised by a salsa tune. The World Red Army featuring salsa artist Choco Orta have released Chico Is The Man, which details the 22-year-old's rise to stardom. The Sun
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Re: Thursday's B*ll*x

Postby ashton287 » Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:54 am

Chinners wrote:
Manchester United striker Javier Hernandez has seen his football exploits recognised by a salsa tune. The World Red Army featuring salsa artist Choco Orta have released Chico Is The Man, which details the 22-year-old's rise to stardom. The Sun


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Postby Im_Spartacus » Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:23 am

Bumper bollox there. Nice article about City, always good to see the club trying to get the positive stories out about the great work we do in the community.

RSC to Blackburn, yeah i'd say that would be a good move for everyone concerned. We would have appeared to have been done over by them but surely his transfer fee to us was inclusive of appearance clauses due to his fitness. It wouldnt surprise me to see we had broken even if we got £4m back, as even though we have plenty of cash, I can't see how any dilligent owner would spunk £17m in one go on a player certified as medically unfit
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Postby Lees Alter Ego » Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:33 am

Ireland moving from Villa already? Grass not greener Stevie lad?
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Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:37 am

johnpb78 wrote:Bumper bollox there. Nice article about City, always good to see the club trying to get the positive stories out about the great work we do in the community.

RSC to Blackburn, yeah i'd say that would be a good move for everyone concerned. We would have appeared to have been done over by them but surely his transfer fee to us was inclusive of appearance clauses due to his fitness. It wouldnt surprise me to see we had broken even if we got £4m back, as even though we have plenty of cash, I can't see how any dilligent owner would spunk £17m in one go on a player certified as medically unfit


I don't understand how we signed him at all if he was injured. Surely there's insurance etc to take into consideration on such deals ? Why didn't the powers that be just say; 'no you can't have him' ?

P.S. Ireland's talent's not exactly flourishing at Villa right now is it ?

I wonder who's fault it is that he's a lazy, gutless shite this time ?
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Postby Wooders » Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:55 am

he tweeted today (Ireland) that he "might have to ring trapp to get a game" !
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Postby john@staustell » Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:01 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
johnpb78 wrote:Bumper bollox there. Nice article about City, always good to see the club trying to get the positive stories out about the great work we do in the community.

RSC to Blackburn, yeah i'd say that would be a good move for everyone concerned. We would have appeared to have been done over by them but surely his transfer fee to us was inclusive of appearance clauses due to his fitness. It wouldnt surprise me to see we had broken even if we got £4m back, as even though we have plenty of cash, I can't see how any dilligent owner would spunk £17m in one go on a player certified as medically unfit


I don't understand how we signed him at all if he was injured. Surely there's insurance etc to take into consideration on such deals ? Why didn't the powers that be just say; 'no you can't have him' ?

P.S. Ireland's talent's not exactly flourishing at Villa right now is it ?

I wonder who's fault it is that he's a lazy, gutless shite this time ?


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Re: Thursday's B*ll*x

Postby Wooders » Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:21 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
johnpb78 wrote:Bumper bollox there. Nice article about City, always good to see the club trying to get the positive stories out about the great work we do in the community.

RSC to Blackburn, yeah i'd say that would be a good move for everyone concerned. We would have appeared to have been done over by them but surely his transfer fee to us was inclusive of appearance clauses due to his fitness. It wouldnt surprise me to see we had broken even if we got £4m back, as even though we have plenty of cash, I can't see how any dilligent owner would spunk £17m in one go on a player certified as medically unfit


I don't understand how we signed him at all if he was injured. Surely there's insurance etc to take into consideration on such deals ? Why didn't the powers that be just say; 'no you can't have him' ?

P.S. Ireland's talent's not exactly flourishing at Villa right now is it ?

I wonder who's fault it is that he's a lazy, gutless shite this time ?


I am fairly certain, the fact that he is always injured aside, that this would explain his lack of appearances for the club when fit - there were bound to be conditions on things like appearances, goals etc that would have led to his combined total fee
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Postby Chinners » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:32 pm

£4mil for RSC is excellent business for us as far as I'm concerned!!

meanwhile ..

EXTRA BOLLOX
BURNLEY have completed the signing of young Manchester City striker John Guidetti on loan until January 3.
The Swedish Under 21 international has been on the Clarets' radar since scoring a hat-trick for City's reserves at Turf Moor last March, against a largely senior Burnley line-up.
And manager Brian Laws swooped to sign the 18-year-old prospect ahead of today's 5pm deadline.
"We noticed him against our reserves when we had a very strong side out," said Laws.
"He did very well and scored a hat-trick against us and ran our centre-halves all over the place.
"Since then we've been keeping very close tabs on him.
"He's only a young boy but he's got a man's body and a mental strength.
"We wanted to get him on loan to get a good close look at him and see if he could bring something else to us."
Guidetti was brought to City by former manager Sven Goran Eriksson and progressed through the Academy at Eastlands.
A regular scorer at under 18 level, the Stockholm-born striker graduated to the reserves and after joining City's senior squad for a pre-season tour of America made his senior debut earlier this season.
Guidetti, who also experienced first-team football in a loan spell with Swedish side IF Brommapojkarna last term, started for City in their Carling Cup tie against West Bromwich Albion in September.
He will now be pushing for a slice of the action with Burnley as he offers Laws an extra striking option over a busy eight-game period, starting with Saturday's home televised clash with Derby County (kick-off 5.20pm).
Guidetti will wear squad number 20 during his initial stay with the Clarets.

Adam Johnson 'to be subject of Liverpool transfer bid in January'
Liverpool transfer target Adam Johnson challenges Birmingham City's Liam Ridgewell (Reuters)
Roy Hodgson is known to be a huge fan of the gifted 23-year-old and is keen to add him to the squad to keep Liverpool’s new-found momentum in the Premier League going.[strike][/strike]
Johnson said recently that he’s feeling disillusioned with life at Eastlands and that has put Hodgson on alert for a swoop.
Johnson said: 'Every footballer has to think about it when the time comes,' he said.
'It is still early but I definitely would consider [leaving].'
Johnson cited the example of the goalless Manchester derby against City's bitter rivals United at Eastlands as a prime example of his frustrations.
The winger was introduced for the final 17 minutes, but failed to impose himself on the game as it petered out into a boredom-inducing snore-fest.
'It is disappointing when you are not playing from the start in games like that,' he told a newspaper.
'I was itching to get on. I was dying to play from the start not just come on.
'The manager has to make decisions but I was gutted to be left out.'

Arsenal and Manchester City have joined the race to sign Zezinho, the Sporting Lisbon teenager dubbed the "new Cristiano Ronaldo".
AC Milan and Inter have been tracking the 18-year-old for some time but now look set to face stiff competition from the Premier League duo for his signature.
Zezinho, who is from Guinea-Bissau, was granted a Portuguese passport in March 2008 so would be able to play across Europe without requiring a work permit.
The tricky winger is currently playing for Sporting's youth team but has a professional contract with the club which runs out in 2012.
And according to sources in Portugal, Sporting are desperate to hang on to him, and will not sell for less than £17m..

Adebayor given green light to leave Eastlands
Manchester City assistant manager David Platt has confirmed want-away striker Emmanuel Adebayor could leave the Eastlands in the January transfer window.
City rebuffed claims by the former Togo captain on Tuesday that the club have reached a loan agreement with Italian giants Juventus.
Ade who joined City from Arsenal in a deal worth 25-million-pounds in 2009 but has struggle to hold down a permanent starting place since the arrival of Roberto Mancini – with whom he has had series of rows lack of playing time.
David Platt told Sky Sports that contrary to reports that the club would block Ade’s January move, the 26-year-old could leave for his search for more playing time.
“Everybody recognises that if you are not in the team you may want to move on.
“If it is right for Manu and right for the football club and more importantly from a business point of view, then something may happen in January.”
Adebayor has made only two premier league starts this season under the manager and even an Europa League hat-trick against Lech Poznan failed to confirm a regular starting role.
Last week, Adebayor was further ired when another City big money failure Jo was picked over him for substitution.

Mancini sorry for Zabaleta.
The Argentinian defender, 25 has been restricted to just five Premier League starts this season but was excellent in the 4-1 rout of Fulham on Sunday, scoring the second and making the fourth. However Mancini admits he is likely to play Micah Richards or Jerome Boateng should either recover from injury in time to face Stoke at the weekend.
"I hope we can recover Richards or Boateng next week," he said. "I feel sorry for Pablo. He was fantastic against Fulham, as he always is.
"He scored a goal, he defended, he attacked. He is a fantastic man and a fantastic player.”

OTHER BOLLOX
Liverpool are ready to challenge rivals Manchester United for Rosenborg's Ghanaian midfielder Anthony Annan. goal.com

CSKA Moscow's Japanese international Keisuke Honda is attracting interest ahead of the January transfer window with Arsenal, Liverpool, and AC Milan the interested parties. sport.co.uk

Arsenal, Tottenham and Newcastle are battling for FC Lorient striker Kevin Gameiro. AS Monaco, Hamburg, Schalke 04 and Benfica are also interested in the 23-year-old. imscouting.com
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Re: Thursday's B*ll*x

Postby Mase » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:33 pm

john@staustell wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
johnpb78 wrote:Bumper bollox there. Nice article about City, always good to see the club trying to get the positive stories out about the great work we do in the community.

RSC to Blackburn, yeah i'd say that would be a good move for everyone concerned. We would have appeared to have been done over by them but surely his transfer fee to us was inclusive of appearance clauses due to his fitness. It wouldnt surprise me to see we had broken even if we got £4m back, as even though we have plenty of cash, I can't see how any dilligent owner would spunk £17m in one go on a player certified as medically unfit


I don't understand how we signed him at all if he was injured. Surely there's insurance etc to take into consideration on such deals ? Why didn't the powers that be just say; 'no you can't have him' ?

P.S. Ireland's talent's not exactly flourishing at Villa right now is it ?

I wonder who's fault it is that he's a lazy, gutless shite this time ?


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