Money has ruined us

[Ted Hughes]

It might interest you to know - or you might just tell me to feck orf - but, if this site is a barometer of City fans, if money hasn't 'ruined' you, you've certainly become more bitterly argumentative amongst each other...

...and, dare I say it, more paranoid about the press and other teams' fans.

Separately, I don't think you've got a coach matched to your best players. Just concentrating on forward/attacking play, you should be brushing aside the majority of the Prem.

I can see how frustrating it is capable of being... You are desperate as fans - in a banter-based sport - to achieve to avoid looking daft spunking half a billion on player who only need to be lined up properly to start achieving.

However, the season is but a third gone. You've still got a great chance of silverware.

Money hasn't ruined City, but don't pretend that it can't change you and your club.

It's changed us alright. We used to play shit football because we had no money to sign anyone to change it & moaned about it but were resigned to accepting it. Now we don't have to play shit football but often do so anyway & when we moan about it, some people say we still have no choice & should still accept it.

Most of the same people were going loudly apeshit last year at the slightest thing for example when we swapped wingers over for five minutes in one game or how negative we were away at Anfield because we weren't hairing forward from the kickoff. Now after spending another 150 mil, they're the voice of reason telling us all how we should chill out & what a good invention swapping wingers round is & how playing for a draw at home to Utd is actually a good thing. Bloody annoying.

[Beefymcfc]

It might interest you to know - or you might just tell me to feck orf - but, if this site is a barometer of City fans, if money hasn't 'ruined' you, you've certainly become more bitterly argumentative amongst each other...

Nah mate, this board as always found a way to start a fight in an empty house; it's part of the atmosphere.

...and, dare I say it, more paranoid about the press and other teams' fans.

Who said that?

Separately, I don't think you've got a coach matched to your best players. Just concentrating on forward/attacking play, you should be brushing aside the majority of the Prem.

I think most realise that but just don't want to admit it.

I can see how frustrating it is capable of being... You are desperate as fans - in a banter-based sport - to achieve to avoid looking daft spunking half a billion on player who only need to be lined up properly to start achieving.

If we don't achieve, the noises will be unbareable.

However, the season is but a third gone. You've still got a great chance of silverware.

That's the saving grace at the moment; there's still a long way to go.

Money hasn't ruined City, but don't pretend that it can't change you and your club.

And that, my Cockerney Sparra, is the nail on the proverbial.

Cheers for the balanced view once again mate, as the money ruined you and yours?

[walmai]

Don't know about money being the cause of it, but something's definitely rotting at the heart of my club.

I'm fairly close to not caring any more, sad to say.

[Beefymcfc]

Don't know about money being the cause of it, but something's definitely rotting at the heart of my club.

I'm fairly close to not caring any more, sad to say.

Only I've heard so much about the investment from your top brass and I can't fathom out where they've spent it; or was it just sorting the debt out.

And Avram, are you lot really happy (no pun intended) with his continued presence and believe in what your owners say with regard to backing him (personally I believe it's the money implication that's keeping him there)?

[zuricity]

No it has not !

What utter, utter tripe

[simon12]

What`s the site that has cock of the week, is it millwall, we should do it and we have our first one.

[Beefymcfc]

What`s the site that has cock of the week, is it millwall, we should do it and we have our first one.

Names, we need names god'amn it!

[Original Dub]

What`s the site that has cock of the week, is it millwall, we should do it and we have our first one.

:)

[Swales4ever]

alot of replies on here have just proved what i wrote originally.

Thanks for proving it lads!

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

You're still accusing us of following City because of the money.

You fucking disrespectful little cunt.

I'm a Glory Hunter, and I admit it :(

Now don't tell me!!!....
that's mine award!
ffs... :-)

[Swales4ever]

Separately, I don't think you've got a coach matched to your best players. Just concentrating on forward/attacking play, you should be brushing aside the majority of the Prem.

I can see how frustrating it is capable of being... You are desperate as fans - in a banter-based sport - to achieve to avoid looking daft spunking half a billion on player who only need to be lined up properly to start achieving.

... now I see, we only needed a "pornocrate" on duty!
it's so easy, damn' me!

[the_georgian_genius]

alot of replies on here have just proved what i wrote originally.

Thanks for proving it lads!

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

You're still accusing us of following City because of the money.

You fucking disrespectful little cunt.

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If you can't handle my views or opinions "Dubster" then do the simple task and ignore me instead of coming out with pathetic insults like that. Also i am not accusing you all of following city for the money, can you not see what i put? It's not something you have to work out either, ITS WRITTEN there for you. Though with a reply such as yours i'm not even offended anymore, you've made a fool of yourself with that reply, it may aswell have gone in any other thread as it is irrelevent here.

Your post though has further proved my point. Steve Bunce the boxing guy said the other day "Man City fans, famous for having a great sense of humour................where has the sense of humour gone?" Spot on buncey, spot on!

[Beefymcfc]

If you can't handle my views or opinions "Dubster" then do the simple task and ignore me instead of coming out with pathetic insults like that. Also i am not accusing you all of following city for the money, can you not see what i put? It's not something you have to work out either, ITS WRITTEN there for you. Though with a reply such as yours i'm not even offended anymore, you've made a fool of yourself with that reply, it may aswell have gone in any other thread as it is irrelevent here.

Your post though has further proved my point. Steve Bunce the boxing guy said the other day "Man City fans, famous for having a great sense of humour................where has the sense of humour gone?" Spot on buncey, spot on!

I'm gonna back-up Dub here, what are you talking about when you say 'City Humour', and also, 'I am not accusing you all', what does that mean? Are you saying that we on this forum are a separate entity to anyone else, somehow distancing yourself from the forum that you have come on to preach?

Here is your original post, please tell me what sort of 'Humour' was used to make you, me, us think it was anything other than have a dig at fellow City Supporters?

no two ways about that, best fans in the world? not even close, ashamed to be a blue today and not because of the lads and staff on the pitch.

It'd be nice to know what your actual agenda is because I don't actually see you debating issues but more aiming sly digs at people who want, and usually do, debate those issues. Are you a member of another forum who feels the need to wind-up another?

I understand you are a Mancini fan, it is quite obvious, but to defend his every movement makes me wonder if it's not supporter for the manager you have, but more of a fetish. And this isn't a dig at you in anyway, it is actually a genuine question that I cannot fathom the answer to.

[the_georgian_genius]

I'm gonna back-up Dub here, what are you talking about when you say 'City Humour', and also, 'I am not accusing you all', what does that mean? Are you saying that we on this forum are a separate entity to anyone else, somehow distancing yourself from the forum that you have come on to preach?

Beefy, why didn't you include the last bit of the "i am not accusing you all...." sentance? If you did then you will see it said "i am not accusing you all of following city for the money, can you not see what i put?" in reply to the "dubsters" ridiculous notion that i accused everyone of following city for the money, i was merely correcting something that was hard to misunderstand in the first place.

Here is your original post, please tell me what sort of 'Humour' was used to make you, me, us think it was anything other than have a dig at fellow City Supporters?

no two ways about that, best fans in the world? not even close, ashamed to be a blue today and not because of the lads and staff on the pitch.

It was a dig at fellow city supporters and i stand by it, there was no humour used or intended.

It'd be nice to know what your actual agenda is because I don't actually see you debating issues but more aiming sly digs at people who want, and usually do, debate those issues. Are you a member of another forum who feels the need to wind-up another?

I understand you are a Mancini fan, it is quite obvious, but to defend his every movement makes me wonder if it's not supporter for the manager you have, but more of a fetish. And this isn't a dig at you in anyway, it is actually a genuine question that I cannot fathom the answer to.

I don't have any agenda of sort, unless allowing and giving time for the project to prove itself is having an agenda.

I am a Mancini fan, i don't defend his every movement, i try to look at why he did those movements and look at the bigger picture. You only have to look at the last couple of days to see that i wasn't happy with him on Saturday and that he needs to change.

It seems that it is in our DNA to chop and change a manager when things aren't going well which has made us the successful team it has for the last 34 years.

My point quoted from the fantastic Steve Bunce just proved to me what i originally thought and originally posted on this thread. Money has ruined us as fans, we expect far too much to quickly and i have seen a massive change in how city supporters have adapted to this money. You only have to look at this thread to see such witful replies as "you disrespecting cunt" for merely not agreeing with his opinion.

I know i'm an arse and i also know when i am defending in my opinions i do it in a wind up way (that doesn't make me a WUM though, my views still stand), if people don't like this then just ignore me and i'll go away, if you call me every name under the sun and get the reaction i want then it will make me post more, i love nothing more than proving people wrong and if that means i can wind them up when IMO they are wrong then that is a bonus ;-)

Me and you don't have the same views beefy and haven't in the past, the same as Ted, but at least after the discussion however heated it has been we have gone our separate ways not agreeing but having enjoyed the discussion and awaiting the next one.........





















..............you disrespecting cunts.

[Beefymcfc]

I'm gonna back-up Dub here, what are you talking about when you say 'City Humour', and also, 'I am not accusing you all', what does that mean? Are you saying that we on this forum are a separate entity to anyone else, somehow distancing yourself from the forum that you have come on to preach?

Beefy, why didn't you include the last bit of the "i am not accusing you all...." sentance? If you did then you will see it said "i am not accusing you all of following city for the money, can you not see what i put?" in reply to the "dubsters" ridiculous notion that i accused everyone of following city for the money, i was merely correcting something that was hard to misunderstand in the first place.

Here is your original post, please tell me what sort of 'Humour' was used to make you, me, us think it was anything other than have a dig at fellow City Supporters?

no two ways about that, best fans in the world? not even close, ashamed to be a blue today and not because of the lads and staff on the pitch.

It was a dig at fellow city supporters and i stand by it, there was no humour used or intended.

It'd be nice to know what your actual agenda is because I don't actually see you debating issues but more aiming sly digs at people who want, and usually do, debate those issues. Are you a member of another forum who feels the need to wind-up another?

I understand you are a Mancini fan, it is quite obvious, but to defend his every movement makes me wonder if it's not supporter for the manager you have, but more of a fetish. And this isn't a dig at you in anyway, it is actually a genuine question that I cannot fathom the answer to.

I don't have any agenda of sort, unless allowing and giving time for the project to prove itself is having an agenda.

I am a Mancini fan, i don't defend his every movement, i try to look at why he did those movements and look at the bigger picture. You only have to look at the last couple of days to see that i wasn't happy with him on Saturday and that he needs to change.

It seems that it is in our DNA to chop and change a manager when things aren't going well which has made us the successful team it has for the last 34 years.

My point quoted from the fantastic Steve Bunce just proved to me what i originally thought and originally posted on this thread. Money has ruined us as fans, we expect far too much to quickly and i have seen a massive change in how city supporters have adapted to this money. You only have to look at this thread to see such witful replies as "you disrespecting cunt" for merely not agreeing with his opinion.

I know i'm an arse and i also know when i am defending in my opinions i do it in a wind up way (that doesn't make me a WUM though, my views still stand), if people don't like this then just ignore me and i'll go away, if you call me every name under the sun and get the reaction i want then it will make me post more, i love nothing more than proving people wrong and if that means i can wind them up when IMO they are wrong then that is a bonus ;-)

Me and you don't have the same views beefy and haven't in the past, the same as Ted, but at least after the discussion however heated it has been we have gone our separate ways not agreeing but having enjoyed the discussion and awaiting the next one.........

..............you disrespecting cunts.

Thanks for the reply and it was plain to see in your approach that you do like to have a bit of a wind-up; now't wrong with that but when you start throwing things at people in an attempt to discredit in someway (ie. like labelling me because you believed I booed) then it comes across as a little strange. From your most recent posts, our views are very similar, it's just the way we put it across. I don't say either of them are right but when you look back possibly prior to the weekend, and a little after, you'll probably see how people would think you have a Roberto fetish. I also think that you're edging your bets a little now, but now't wrong with that either.

We all want the same outcome and if it's with Mancio every single one of us will be singing his name. However, if he's not doing the job he's paid for then it won't be only us he will be answerable to, it will be the board. And my personal opinion is, and always was, that he was a stand-in because we couldn't get the likes of Jose or Hiddink, and we all know what happens when the board haven't truly got their man.

Cunts. Such an expressive word, I like it!

[Original Dub]

Listen mate, the money hasn't changed me at all.

If your title said "the money has changed some of us" maybe I could entertain it, but what you were implying was that those of us who aren't happy with our performances are somehow glory hunters, which is a load of bollox. I felt that was completely disrespectful to any of us who tried to give valid reasons for how we feel on the subject.

I felt insulted so I insulted you back and called you disrespectful. This was all aligned to this thread and not to you in general. Attack the point by all means, but by trying to itimate that those who are concerned by Mancini's tactics have been spoilt or "ruined", you are attacking the poster, not that point IMO.

Anyway, I still disagree that the money has ruined us as a whole. I know what I want from a football match and that is watching my team give it their all to win the match. Now that we have endless money, it should help us add quality to a heritage of attacking football.

When I feel its not what I like to watch I'll say it. I always have done and always will do. Money or no money.

[brite blu sky]

What if we have got it a bit wrong?
What if it is the players who are not doing what Bob is asking them too?
What if he has gone from originally getting the zonal system going and then the positoning of the team and has been for a while telling them to get forward and support the attack and they are just not doing that as he wants out of habit and fear of fucling up in the defensive duties.. knowing they are basically still a priority. It would still be Mancini fault no? as he hasn't got the message across properly. He is often seen waving them forward.. why? If they are doing what he has told them why would he be waving them to move upfield?

Just a thought, and didn't think it worth a new thread.

[Beefymcfc]

What if we have got it a bit wrong?
What if it is the players who are not doing what Bob is asking them too?
What if he has gone from originally getting the zonal system going and then the positoning of the team and has been for a while telling them to get forward and support the attack and they are just not doing that as he wants out of habit and fear of fucling up in the defensive duties.. knowing they are basically still a priority. It would still be Mancini fault no? as he hasn't got the message across properly. He is often seen waving them forward.. why? If they are doing what he has told them why would he be waving them to move upfield?

Just a thought, and didn't think it worth a new thread.

It's a very good point, Mancio is very vocal on where he wants them to play and is often seen geturing for them to get either forward or back. My personal opinion is the type of player out on the pitch. Players have been honed from a young age to do a specific job and to ask them to do other just puts them out of their comfort zone. Yaya has played for a long time in a defensive position for Barca, Barry is more of a break-up play/distribution type, Nige is.....well, Nige and even the likes of Milner, who likes to get forward, seem to not know what he is being asked to do from one week to the next - left, right, central, all over the place.

[Im_Spartacus]

What if we have got it a bit wrong?
What if it is the players who are not doing what Bob is asking them too?
What if he has gone from originally getting the zonal system going and then the positoning of the team and has been for a while telling them to get forward and support the attack and they are just not doing that as he wants out of habit and fear of fucling up in the defensive duties.. knowing they are basically still a priority. It would still be Mancini fault no? as he hasn't got the message across properly. He is often seen waving them forward.. why? If they are doing what he has told them why would he be waving them to move upfield?

Just a thought, and didn't think it worth a new thread.

It's a very good point, Mancio is very vocal on where he wants them to play and is often seen geturing for them to get either forward or back. My personal opinion is the type of player out on the pitch. Players have been honed from a young age to do a specific job and to ask them to do other just puts them out of their comfort zone. Yaya has played for a long time in a defensive position for Barca, Barry is more of a break-up play/distribution type, Nige is.....well, Nige and even the likes of Milner, who likes to get forward, seem to not know what he is being asked to do from one week to the next - left, right, central, all over the place.

It is a good point and set of questions, but ultimately at work, I ask my people to do things a certain way all the time because my experience and knowledge usually wins the day. There will be times when people disagree with me, and want to do things their own way, I let them, because they usually end up leaving of their own volition after being quite unsuccessful, but I won't hesitate to get rid of the cunts who stay beyond their time, are disruptive and generally have a bad vibe around the place.

I don't have to answer to anybody else these days, but when I had a manager above me, ultimately if my team wasn't performing they would get it in the neck and the shit would flow downhill from there and the managers started to manage. I don'tactually see Mancini managing or being managed. Sure he picks the team and takes training, but if he as a manager was not happy with the dour lifeless performances, he would change either the tactics or the personnel - but he does neither, which means he is happy with it.

This football lark is no diferent to any other business with regards managing individuals. Mancini has managed out a couple of people who werent into doing things his way, but ultimately he is the one responsible for the performance of the ones who are left, and I don't buy it that a squad including some of the very best are all failing as a team to listen to Mancini's instructions, a handful of players struggling to adapt, maybe, but the whole team?

I dont buy it one bit

[walmai]

Don't know about money being the cause of it, but something's definitely rotting at the heart of my club.

I'm fairly close to not caring any more, sad to say.

Only I've heard so much about the investment from your top brass and I can't fathom out where they've spent it; or was it just sorting the debt out.

And Avram, are you lot really happy (no pun intended) with his continued presence and believe in what your owners say with regard to backing him (personally I believe it's the money implication that's keeping him there)?

As much as I have tried to understand it, mate, I can't fathom out our financial position.

I'd like to think that its not so bad that we can't afford to replace the manager (if we need to), but also doubt personally that its all totally Grant's fault that we are in the position in which we find ourselves.

The players don't have any fight...principally, I fear, because The Goblins said publically that they were all for sale.

They are the masters of de-motivation.

[Beefymcfc]

Don't know about money being the cause of it, but something's definitely rotting at the heart of my club.

I'm fairly close to not caring any more, sad to say.

Only I've heard so much about the investment from your top brass and I can't fathom out where they've spent it; or was it just sorting the debt out.

And Avram, are you lot really happy (no pun intended) with his continued presence and believe in what your owners say with regard to backing him (personally I believe it's the money implication that's keeping him there)?

As much as I have tried to understand it, mate, I can't fathom out our financial position.

I'd like to think that its not so bad that we can't afford to replace the manager (if we need to), but also doubt personally that its all totally Grant's fault that we are in the position in which we find ourselves.

The players don't have any fight...principally, I fear, because The Goblins said publically that they were all for sale.

They are the masters of de-motivation.

That's how I see it as well. I'm sure I'd read something where the Goblins, as you all them, stated that they had taken over the club but not actually paid off the debt. If that is true, then I can't see how you can actually afford anyone decent unless they have a plan to sell off your most valuable assets, as well as cutting those players on the heighest wage tiers.

To be honest, the whole atmosphere of the club reminds me of Pompy last season - miserable - I'm afraid to say.