blues-clues wrote:No - not the team!
Mourinho made a point when he was at Chelsea about the goals that are scored following "transition" when possession is lost unexpectedly. The team that had the ball are moving forward and are out of position to defend. If the team that gains the ball can exploit that weakness within a few seconds they will have a good chance to score; if they take longer the defence can recover and the opportunity will be lost. An absolutely perfect example of this was Torres' second goal against Chelsea, most of the Chelsea defence was still getting back into the box when the ball was in the net.
City have players like Tevez and De Jong who will win balls in midfield they are not expected to and this gives us the chance for those transition goals but we spend so long on the ball we still have to beat the oppositions entire defence to score.
Torres showed what you need to do to make the opportunities count but strikers we probably have who can do that too but do we have the players in midfield who can win the ball and play those telling passes? It seems to me our players can do one or the other but is what we really need much more flair in midfield so that our stikers have something to work with?
Barry drives me to distraction. 15 yards of empty space in front of him and he still playes the ball backwards.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:blues-clues wrote:No - not the team!
Mourinho made a point when he was at Chelsea about the goals that are scored following "transition" when possession is lost unexpectedly. The team that had the ball are moving forward and are out of position to defend. If the team that gains the ball can exploit that weakness within a few seconds they will have a good chance to score; if they take longer the defence can recover and the opportunity will be lost. An absolutely perfect example of this was Torres' second goal against Chelsea, most of the Chelsea defence was still getting back into the box when the ball was in the net.
City have players like Tevez and De Jong who will win balls in midfield they are not expected to and this gives us the chance for those transition goals but we spend so long on the ball we still have to beat the oppositions entire defence to score.
Torres showed what you need to do to make the opportunities count but strikers we probably have who can do that too but do we have the players in midfield who can win the ball and play those telling passes? It seems to me our players can do one or the other but is what we really need much more flair in midfield so that our stikers have something to work with?
Barry drives me to distraction. 15 yards of empty space in front of him and he still playes the ball backwards.
You found our weakness right there. Barry and De Jong can't deliver ball forward, meaning that we win posession and could start quick counter but neither of them are ever willing to pass the ball forward.
avoidconfusion wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:blues-clues wrote:No - not the team!
Mourinho made a point when he was at Chelsea about the goals that are scored following "transition" when possession is lost unexpectedly. The team that had the ball are moving forward and are out of position to defend. If the team that gains the ball can exploit that weakness within a few seconds they will have a good chance to score; if they take longer the defence can recover and the opportunity will be lost. An absolutely perfect example of this was Torres' second goal against Chelsea, most of the Chelsea defence was still getting back into the box when the ball was in the net.
City have players like Tevez and De Jong who will win balls in midfield they are not expected to and this gives us the chance for those transition goals but we spend so long on the ball we still have to beat the oppositions entire defence to score.
Torres showed what you need to do to make the opportunities count but strikers we probably have who can do that too but do we have the players in midfield who can win the ball and play those telling passes? It seems to me our players can do one or the other but is what we really need much more flair in midfield so that our stikers have something to work with?
Barry drives me to distraction. 15 yards of empty space in front of him and he still playes the ball backwards.
You found our weakness right there. Barry and De Jong can't deliver ball forward, meaning that we win posession and could start quick counter but neither of them are ever willing to pass the ball forward.
In fairness to de Jong, he has gotten A LOT better when it comes to passing the ball forward this season.
john68 wrote:I think it's become increasingly obvious that Mancini uses tactics that he feels suits the players he has. I also think that it is increasingly obvious that Mancini has already worked out who/what he wants in the future.
Had we landed Torres or Dzeko (Mancini's targets) last summer, I am certain that the tactics we adopted last night would have been vastly different.
This present squad is only partly built and we will see a nimber of changes even in the next 12 months. He has already identified a striker is needed and when we get the one he wants. The strategies he employs will change accordingly.
The foundations are there, the walls built, now we need to put the roof on. This City project was always going to take years. We have been told that from the beginning. It's fine to analyse what is happening now but we should also consider that further development will change and improve things in the future.
WHAT WE HAVE NOW...AIN'T WHAT WE WILL HAVE NEXT SEASON.
john68 wrote:I think it's become increasingly obvious that Mancini uses tactics that he feels suits the players he has. I also think that it is increasingly obvious that Mancini has already worked out who/what he wants in the future.
Had we landed Torres or Dzeko (Mancini's targets) last summer, I am certain that the tactics we adopted last night would have been vastly different.
This present squad is only partly built and we will see a nimber of changes even in the next 12 months. He has already identified a striker is needed and when we get the one he wants. The strategies he employs will change accordingly.
The foundations are there, the walls built, now we need to put the roof on. This City project was always going to take years. We have been told that from the beginning. It's fine to analyse what is happening now but we should also consider that further development will change and improve things in the future.
WHAT WE HAVE NOW...AIN'T WHAT WE WILL HAVE NEXT SEASON.
lets all have a disco wrote:I do prefer drawing to getting beat though,thats a posotive.
Those derbies last year were heartbreaking.
Tokyo Blue wrote:lets all have a disco wrote:I do prefer drawing to getting beat though,thats a posotive.
Those derbies last year were heartbreaking.
This.
The way we pushed them close last year but ultimately failed was a kind of moral victory, in other words, completely meaningless. The point is rather more tangible.
The filth won't be able to play like that with ten men behind the ball against us on their own patch though, and that's when we will pick them off.
I do feel that we lack a little bit of pace this season. We need to bring some genuine pace in in January / summer. Anyone got any ideas who might fit the bill?
brite blu sky wrote:Tokyo Blue wrote:lets all have a disco wrote:I do prefer drawing to getting beat though,thats a posotive.
Those derbies last year were heartbreaking.
This.
The way we pushed them close last year but ultimately failed was a kind of moral victory, in other words, completely meaningless. The point is rather more tangible.
The filth won't be able to play like that with ten men behind the ball against us on their own patch though, and that's when we will pick them off.
I do feel that we lack a little bit of pace this season. We need to bring some genuine pace in in January / summer. Anyone got any ideas who might fit the bill?
I think it will suit us better to play them at theirs and on that showing i think they will struggle with the expectation of being at home and that will leave them vunerable.
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