by the_georgian_genius » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:38 am
I thought it be a nice change to not talk about if Mancini is god or the devil, if Balotelli is Messi or Heskey or if those 2 straight defeats will make us stronger and win the league or implode and fail to qualify for the europa league.
When the change was made from "The Reserves" to "The Elite Development Squad" there was alot of cringe going on from City fans and mickey taking from opposition fans but i said at the time it was more than a fancy name change. IMO the EDS was set up as 50% income stream and 50% producing players for the first team in mind. At the moment there are 24 players in the EDS or out on loan at other clubs and in the Academy there are around 18 players so between the ages of 16 and 21 there are 42 young players trying to get through the bottleneck that is progression to the first team, that is a hell of alot and that is what it is like every year. Now 90%-95% of them will not make a good career here, they will make it elsewhere and this is where the name change comes in. IMO the club wants to produce or bring in young players who have potential but might not fulfil that potential with us in later years, so instead of releasing them to the wilderness we will do what the rags have done for years, sell them for good money (£1m for Shawcross as an example who never made an appearance for them)
For me this is what it should go like
16-18 should be academy,
18-19 should be EDS and first team recognition of some sort (an unused sub appearance for example)
19-20 Loan to lower league club or feeder club if not involved fully with the first team (like Royal Antwerp with the rags)
20-21 should no longer be here if not a first team squad member.
I was then having a look at the excellent mcfcreservesandacademy.co.uk and i got to the EDS profiles and i couldn't beleive who was still here. I've only seen the EDS play once this season against Arsenal and i should get to more but surely there is going to be a huge clearout of players in the summer which would leave a huge gap as there are not alot of U18 graduates coming through from this years Academy side to supplement it.
I was having a look at the ages of the players by the time the 2011/2012 season starts and alot of them should not be here at their age when they are so far away from the first team especially when you consider they are the same age or older than Adam Johnson, Mario Balotelli, Jerome Boateng ect, they need to find careers elsewhere and work their way back up if they think they are good enough for the Premier League.
23 - Shaleum Logan (3 apps), Kelvin Etuhu (15 apps)
22 - Scott Kay (0 apps), Javan Vidal (1 app), Donal McDermott (0 apps)
21 - Ben Mee (1 app), David Ball (0 apps), James Poole (0 apps), Ryan McGivern (0 apps), Kieran Trippier (0 apps), Andrew Tutte (0 apps)
Take away Etuhu and his 15 apperances for us and between the rest of the 10 players they have a measley 5 first team appearances between them, at 21-23 they are never going to make it with us so i hope we say goodbye to them for their sake in the summer, it is no good for their development or career for them to be living of being a Manchester City player and they are also denying the oppourtunity for the clubs younger players to test themselves against older, stronger players in the reserve set up thus denying their development.
The next lot of players starting with three of them who i think are decent players and are well known to City fans, again with their ages at the start of next season
20 - Abdi Ibrahim, Alex Nimley
19 - John Guidetti
I think if we beat Poznan on Thursday and qualify for the next stage i think these three will play some part in the final two games, especially the Juventus one which will basically be a dead rubber match where i hope we rest ALL of our best 12-14 players with the busy xmas period coming up. Once that is over with they all really need to go out on 5 month loans as soon as the January transfer window opens as (barring a monumental injury crisis) they will not get even near the first team bench for the remainder of the season. I've seen reports of Guidetti linking him to Blackburn on loan, that would be shite, they all need to go to clubs in the championship who will play them every game (obviously if they do well) then they can come back and join the squad in pre-season and get games on the tours and try and push for a first team squad place. The best example here is Danny Wellbeck, had abit of first team action but is now a regular starter for Sunderland on loan where he will get a better education there at a club like that than in their reserve side.
The rest of them;-
19 - Chris Chantler, Tom Smith, Sean Tse, Reece Wabara, Ahmed Benali, Omar Elabdellaoui, Mohammed Abu, Jeremy Helan
18 - Frédéric Veseli, Harry Bunn, Joan Roman Angel
I imagine will form the basis of the EDS games, only Benali has impressed me when i have seen them so i imagine it would be a big year for him next season where he'd need to be pushing for first team recognition of some sort as applies to the others if they are really going to make it here. Out of the others i know Veseli was on the bench for the WBA league cup game and captained the Swiss U17 to the FIFA U17 World Cup last year so he sounds like he has got some ability even though i haven't really seen him much, same with Helan, he came to us amid the stories of tapping up but whenever i've seen him i've not been too impressed but he has trained with the first team so maybe he has got better potential than the others.
But again with the bunch of lads who will be 19 next season, if they aren't making first team appearances or getting anywhere near the squad then in reality there isn't any real future for them here and IMO if they should be spending next year half in the EDS and half out on loan clearing the way for the next batch of 17-18 year olds to test themsleves against better, stronger opposition.
I mentioned a feeder club and some have been mooted in the past and i wonder if we will hear about one in the summer?
Thought it would be an interesting topic anyway even if it is a bit long winded.