Beefymcfc wrote:Some really good posts on here, and thanks to John for his historical research.
I don't think there are any plans to expand the stadium in the short term, but I'm with a few others that we are aiming to have the biggest capacity in UK football and plan to fill it with cheap down to earth tickets for those that cannot pay the excessive prices the Premier clubs now demand. As long as it's feasible, I can see us looking at an 80,000 plus capacity with cheap safe standing areas to one end of the scale, and high class 'Champagne Charlie' lounges at the other.
Beefymcfc wrote:Some really good posts on here, and thanks to John for his historical research.
I don't think there are any plans to expand the stadium in the short term, but I'm with a few others that we are aiming to have the biggest capacity in UK football and plan to fill it with cheap down to earth tickets for those that cannot pay the excessive prices the Premier clubs now demand. As long as it's feasible, I can see us looking at an 80,000 plus capacity with cheap safe standing areas to one end of the scale, and high class 'Champagne Charlie' lounges at the other.
ronk wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Some really good posts on here, and thanks to John for his historical research.
I don't think there are any plans to expand the stadium in the short term, but I'm with a few others that we are aiming to have the biggest capacity in UK football and plan to fill it with cheap down to earth tickets for those that cannot pay the excessive prices the Premier clubs now demand. As long as it's feasible, I can see us looking at an 80,000 plus capacity with cheap safe standing areas to one end of the scale, and high class 'Champagne Charlie' lounges at the other.
I can't. There's too much of a contradiction. There's no reason to expect that safe standing will happen or that it will increase the density. Premium seats require more space. Expanding to 80k and increasing the corporate facilities would leave a large number of absolutely rubbish seats to be flogged off for half nothing and would probably detract from everyone's matchday experience. This is at odds with the type of changes Cook etc have been making. I can see them being more likely to implement infrastructure so families can cycle to matches together (kind of stuff) combined with relatively modest expansion as opposed to kamikaze stadium expansion.
Beefymcfc wrote:Some really good posts on here, and thanks to John for his historical research.
I don't think there are any plans to expand the stadium in the short term, but I'm with a few others that we are aiming to have the biggest capacity in UK football and plan to fill it with cheap down to earth tickets for those that cannot pay the excessive prices the Premier clubs now demand. As long as it's feasible, I can see us looking at an 80,000 plus capacity with cheap safe standing areas to one end of the scale, and high class 'Champagne Charlie' lounges at the other.
Ted Hughes wrote:Building both ends now would be a bit much imo but putting another tier on one end won't ruin the atmosphere & the other end can follow in the future. As the stadium is mostly full for PL games now, after years of total failure, it's hardly a huge leap to imagine the new area also being mostly full if/when we start winning trophies. Having the scope to fit another 13-15k in the stadium will just mean we get bigger gates for some games & eventually we'll start to fill it regularly.
zuricity wrote:Firstly, I'm all in favour of expansion, it should lower seat prices in the longer term.
Since I no longer live in Mancy and have had no vote there for years anyway. I simply would like to point out that
if I did have a vote and some councillor or elected politician prevented our owners from buying the stadium after
investing billions in schemes and projects in the vicinity of the stadium, i'd certainly be calling for his ( or her - continuing with the Python themes that seem to be pervading the site recently !) balls on a plate.
Socrates wrote:zuricity wrote:Firstly, I'm all in favour of expansion, it should lower seat prices in the longer term.
Since I no longer live in Mancy and have had no vote there for years anyway. I simply would like to point out that
if I did have a vote and some councillor or elected politician prevented our owners from buying the stadium after
investing billions in schemes and projects in the vicinity of the stadium, i'd certainly be calling for his ( or her - continuing with the Python themes that seem to be pervading the site recently !) balls on a plate.
you are missing the point, the politicians cannot just sell it to us - they would have to repay the £77 million grant from Sport England if they did so. That would mean City paying £77,000,000 over and above it's value in order to be able to buy it as the politicians would not be able to take less than it's value, they have no choice in that. Why on earth would we want to pay such a ludicrous sum for the freehold of a stadium that we already own the leasehold on?
zuricity wrote:Socrates wrote:zuricity wrote:Firstly, I'm all in favour of expansion, it should lower seat prices in the longer term.
Since I no longer live in Mancy and have had no vote there for years anyway. I simply would like to point out that
if I did have a vote and some councillor or elected politician prevented our owners from buying the stadium after
investing billions in schemes and projects in the vicinity of the stadium, i'd certainly be calling for his ( or her - continuing with the Python themes that seem to be pervading the site recently !) balls on a plate.
you are missing the point, the politicians cannot just sell it to us - they would have to repay the £77 million grant from Sport England if they did so. That would mean City paying £77,000,000 over and above it's value in order to be able to buy it as the politicians would not be able to take less than it's value, they have no choice in that. Why on earth would we want to pay such a ludicrous sum for the freehold of a stadium that we already own the leasehold on?
What on earth do you mean , "I am missing the point ?". I think you mean i am missing your point.
Let's get real. The stadium is only worth what the buyer decides to pay for it, as long as the seller is happy with the price and agrees to a sale. Now, I think I've covered myself from a legal point of view as far as contract law is concerned.
As for the value of the stadium. That can change from today to tomorrow.
If, after the great 'con job' from Wall Street and the bad mortgages in the US that caused such a melt down that capitalism went socialist in the "good ol US of A" . Whereby General Motors, a loss leading concern for twenty years , went belly up and
turned cap in hand communists, begging their government to bail them out.
If, after years of financing with our taxes, all roads (and motorways to Old Trafford) towards the West of Manchester, and traffic improvements almost in the vicinity of that new shopping mall , close to where the Cricket ground is.
If, the council and the politicians don't know when the hand is feeding them and can't sell the ground for some derisory amount.
Then,
The Denver Colts will win the Super Bowl again.
and you might have a point ,
Until then I think they are slowly realising that the gravy train is now pointing Eastwards from AlbertSquare towards the Pennines
zuricity wrote:I don't think that the grant is a problem at all, if the owner wants to invest billions in Manchester, i'm sure even the most dedicted and non corrupt politician could find a way to push the sale through. In the end it's only a matter of business for the owner and if the price is right he will pay ( even over the odds as well as we have seen with RSC), in the long term he will be making money out of his investments., eg Barclay Bank. This smart young man knows what he's doing.
zuricity wrote:Socrates wrote:zuricity wrote:Firstly, I'm all in favour of expansion, it should lower seat prices in the longer term.
Since I no longer live in Mancy and have had no vote there for years anyway. I simply would like to point out that
if I did have a vote and some councillor or elected politician prevented our owners from buying the stadium after
investing billions in schemes and projects in the vicinity of the stadium, i'd certainly be calling for his ( or her - continuing with the Python themes that seem to be pervading the site recently !) balls on a plate.
you are missing the point, the politicians cannot just sell it to us - they would have to repay the £77 million grant from Sport England if they did so. That would mean City paying £77,000,000 over and above it's value in order to be able to buy it as the politicians would not be able to take less than it's value, they have no choice in that. Why on earth would we want to pay such a ludicrous sum for the freehold of a stadium that we already own the leasehold on?
What on earth do you mean , "I am missing the point ?". I think you mean i am missing your point.
Let's get real. The stadium is only worth what the buyer decides to pay for it, as long as the seller is happy with the price and agrees to a sale. Now, I think I've covered myself from a legal point of view as far as contract law is concerned.
As for the value of the stadium. That can change from today to tomorrow.
If, after the great 'con job' from Wall Street and the bad mortgages in the US that caused such a melt down that capitalism went socialist in the "good ol US of A" . Whereby General Motors, a loss leading concern for twenty years , went belly up and
turned cap in hand communists, begging their government to bail them out.
If, after years of financing with our taxes, all roads (and motorways to Old Trafford) towards the West of Manchester, and traffic improvements almost in the vicinity of that new shopping mall , close to where the Cricket ground is.
If, the council and the politicians don't know when the hand is feeding them and can't sell the ground for some derisory amount.
Then,
The [highlight]Denver Colts[/highlight] will win the Super Bowl again.
and you might have a point ,
Until then I think they are slowly realising that the gravy train is now pointing Eastwards from AlbertSquare towards the Pennines
zuricity wrote:Socrates wrote:zuricity wrote:Firstly, I'm all in favour of expansion, it should lower seat prices in the longer term.
Since I no longer live in Mancy and have had no vote there for years anyway. I simply would like to point out that
if I did have a vote and some councillor or elected politician prevented our owners from buying the stadium after
investing billions in schemes and projects in the vicinity of the stadium, i'd certainly be calling for his ( or her - continuing with the Python themes that seem to be pervading the site recently !) balls on a plate.
you are missing the point, the politicians cannot just sell it to us - they would have to repay the £77 million grant from Sport England if they did so. That would mean City paying £77,000,000 over and above it's value in order to be able to buy it as the politicians would not be able to take less than it's value, they have no choice in that. Why on earth would we want to pay such a ludicrous sum for the freehold of a stadium that we already own the leasehold on?
What on earth do you mean , "I am missing the point ?". I think you mean i am missing your point.
Let's get real. The stadium is only worth what the buyer decides to pay for it, as long as the seller is happy with the price and agrees to a sale. Now, I think I've covered myself from a legal point of view as far as contract law is concerned.
As for the value of the stadium. That can change from today to tomorrow.
If, after the great 'con job' from Wall Street and the bad mortgages in the US that caused such a melt down that capitalism went socialist in the "good ol US of A" . Whereby General Motors, a loss leading concern for twenty years , went belly up and
turned cap in hand communists, begging their government to bail them out.
If, after years of financing with our taxes, all roads (and motorways to Old Trafford) towards the West of Manchester, and traffic improvements almost in the vicinity of that new shopping mall , close to where the Cricket ground is.
If, the council and the politicians don't know when the hand is feeding them and can't sell the ground for some derisory amount.
Then,
The Denver Colts will win the Super Bowl again.
and you might have a point ,
Until then I think they are slowly realising that the gravy train is now pointing Eastwards from AlbertSquare towards the Pennines
s1ty m wrote:
hey zurich, you joined 21 minutes after me in 2005 and i have made 71 more posts than you. make that 72. just saying, quite a similarity there. cheers .
ronk wrote:s1ty m wrote:
hey zurich, you joined 21 minutes after me in 2005 and i have made 71 more posts than you. make that 72. just saying, quite a similarity there. cheers .
Isn't that when you all re-signed up to the new forum.
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