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Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:12 am
by CityGer
Interesting article from Martin Samuel. Highlights some of the flaws in Platini's plans to control spending. Not sure about his view on Yaya, though.


Don't mock Manchester City, they may not be as silly as you think...


Kamikaze spending, Sir Alex Ferguson called it, in one of those soundbites destined to pass into history judging by how widely it has been quoted this week. Yet what else are Manchester City to do? It is not their fault that a club with ambition has to approach the transfer market on the divine wind.

A ticking clock counts down the minutes to the end of this transfer window on the sports news channel, but there is a Doomsday scenario extending beyond that.

The next window, in January, is the last that will not feel the impact of the financial regulations imposed by Michel Platini, the UEFA president. By the time of the following financial year, April 2011 to April 2012, clubs must start to reduce losses and while there are four more seasons before the regulations properly take hold, the rules are complex and incorporate retrospective calculation.

In simple terms, after this year, all transfers will contribute in some way to UEFA's reckoning. City may not be getting the greatest value for money right now, but if there is an element of Supermarket Sweep about their behaviour, that is because Platini's legislation makes it now or never for big spenders.

The elite clubs, like Ferguson's Manchester United, can sit pretty knowing that once the controls are in place they will always have the largest budgets. It is the likes of City, desperately scrambling to get through the door before it shuts, who have been condemned to spend, spend, spend.

So, of course, the policy appears irrational. City have paid as much for James Milner, who had an erratic World Cup, as Real Madrid did combined for Mesut Ozil and Sami Khedira of Germany, two of the revelations of the tournament.

David Silva, who could not make the Spanish team, has come in at a price not far behind David Villa, arguably the most talented striker in the world. Yaya Toure cost £24million, at a time when Inter Milan have balked at paying a similar price for a better holding midfield player - the captain of Argentina, Javier Mascherano of Liverpool.

Manchester City's total transfer bill since Sheik Mansour's arrival is over £350m, but why the surprise? The moment Platini made his flawed theories a reality, there was always going to be a reckless, lastminute scramble. By spending now, City no doubt hope to buck the system, assembling a powerful squad and achieving success before it becomes almost impossible for the little guy to get ahead.

Depending on how City manage the accounts, there could be an even greater advantage. Transfer expenditure is listed in one of two ways: as an outgoing lump sum, or with the fee spread over the years of the contract. So payment for Milner could be shown as £24m now or, for instance, £4.8m over five years, a process known as amortisation.

If City choose this option, some of Milner's transfer money will eventually be part of UEFA's calculation of City's budget; but put wholly into this year's accounts will fall outside UEFA's remit. Then, if Milner is later sold, the fee received counts as money coming into the club and helps increase the size of the budget. City's owners, unlike most rivals, actually have the capital to do this. They may not be as silly as they look.

It is easy to mock City's pretensions and excesses, but harsh to hold them solely responsible. Yes, even without Platini's new rules they would have spent big in the hope of entering the Champions League next season; but the utter abandon of their activity this summer is another gift to football from UEFA.

Platini has been let off the hook repeatedly in interviews when asked how he is going to maintain competition and mobility while limiting the investment potential of ambitious smaller clubs. He has been allowed to blather that it is something UEFA will look at.
In doing so, he is carving out football's equivalent of the policy in Iraq: a hugely significant decision with no thought given to its consequences. Indeed, by forcing a club such as City into ever greater short-term spirals of recklessness and financial aggression, Platini hasn't even considered the potential for damage in the prelude, let alone the aftermath.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:17 am
by ant london
CityGer wrote:Interesting article from Martin Samuel. Highlights some of the flaws in Platini's plans to control spending. Not sure about his view on Yaya, though.



I was just about to say exactly the same thing

Mascherano = De Jong

Yaya is an altogether different (and superior) player to both

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:23 am
by Ted Hughes
ant london wrote:
CityGer wrote:Interesting article from Martin Samuel. Highlights some of the flaws in Platini's plans to control spending. Not sure about his view on Yaya, though.



I was just about to say exactly the same thing

Mascherano = De Jong

Yaya is an altogether different (and superior) player to both


Most British based journos & fans judge Yaya's ability on the job he was usually asked to do for Barca rather than his actual capabilities as a player.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:43 am
by Fish111
Crazy rules are being brought in by Platini, the English-hater. If we do not crash the top four very soon then we may as well set our sights on winning the Europa League every year as the CL will become the elitist competition he craves. We have no debt yet he prefers to see clubs with huge debts given preferential treatment just because their 'running' costs do not make a loss. Typical French logic.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:08 am
by john@staustell
Samuel is one of the most informed there is. Most other journos know less than the blokes in my local. Sent him a comment for peddling this Yaya 'holding midfielder' myth though!

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:16 am
by Niall Quinns Discopants
CityGer wrote:
The elite clubs, like Ferguson's Manchester United, can sit pretty knowing that once the controls are in place they will always have the largest budgets. It is the likes of City, desperately scrambling to get through the door before it shuts, who have been condemned to spend, spend, spend.



That's what I've been banging on since the introduction of these plans. Glad at least ONE journalist has picked that one up. This ONLY serves to keep the status quo and means that top professional football will get less and less competitive over the years. I mean, how on earth is anyone outside top 4 to 6 clubs able to challenge them when you can't speculate to accumalate the income needed?

In ten years time people will see that this decision was the final nail in the coffin and never again will midtable clubs be able to challenge. Ever.

For us this is THE only way to get on that train going up. Just like he notes, those who are left behind will never recover. Premier League, and all top European leagues, will be competition for few teams from now on. Take German Bundesleague for example. Arguably one of the most competive league in the Europe right now. While likes of Schalke, Leverkusen, Wolfsburg and Dortmund have mounted serious title challenges, in coming years Bayern will dominate the whole competition.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:32 am
by Kladze
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
That's what I've been banging on since the introduction of these plans.

In ten years time people will see that this decision was the final nail in the coffin and never again will midtable clubs be able to challenge. Ever.



If Platini's plans go through in their entirety (I'm doubtful that they will) it will be the end of competitive football as we know it.

Ironic that fans of mid table clubs are those most vocal in their support of him - i.e. Everton fans I read recently saying "Good on Platini, it's about time someone put City in their place". Idiotic fuckers.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:47 am
by Goaters 103
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
CityGer wrote:
The elite clubs, like Ferguson's Manchester United, can sit pretty knowing that once the controls are in place they will always have the largest budgets. It is the likes of City, desperately scrambling to get through the door before it shuts, who have been condemned to spend, spend, spend.



That's what I've been banging on since the introduction of these plans. Glad at least ONE journalist has picked that one up. This ONLY serves to keep the status quo and means that top professional football will get less and less competitive over the years. I mean, how on earth is anyone outside top 4 to 6 clubs able to challenge them when you can't speculate to accumalate the income needed?

In ten years time people will see that this decision was the final nail in the coffin and never again will midtable clubs be able to challenge. Ever.

For us this is THE only way to get on that train going up. Just like he notes, those who are left behind will never recover. Premier League, and all top European leagues, will be competition for few teams from now on. Take German Bundesleague for example. Arguably one of the most competive league in the Europe right now. While likes of Schalke, Leverkusen, Wolfsburg and Dortmund have mounted serious title challenges, in coming years Bayern will dominate the whole competition.


Nail on the head NQDP. Its the cartel closing the doors for their own ends, and in no way is designed to create competitive football.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:02 am
by Niall Quinns Discopants
Kladze wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
That's what I've been banging on since the introduction of these plans.

In ten years time people will see that this decision was the final nail in the coffin and never again will midtable clubs be able to challenge. Ever.



If Platini's plans go through in their entirety (I'm doubtful that they will) it will be the end of competitive football as we know it.

Ironic that fans of mid table clubs are those most vocal in their support of him - i.e. Everton fans I read recently saying "Good on Platini, it's about time someone put City in their place". Idiotic fuckers.


Yeah but that's all based in the thinking that "if we can't break the top four then no one else should either". It's something I will never understand. If the shoe was on the other foot and it was Everton there breaking the top four and going to places, I might be slightly envious but say "fair enough".

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:14 am
by Murph
Platini's plans are crazy and are intended to protect the positions of the leading clubs. No doubt these regs are against European business competition laws, surely some club will take this to court sooner rather than later. Also as clubs look for extra revenue, ticket prices will rise leaving fans all over Europe having to pay the cost.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:41 am
by Ted Hughes
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Kladze wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
That's what I've been banging on since the introduction of these plans.

In ten years time people will see that this decision was the final nail in the coffin and never again will midtable clubs be able to challenge. Ever.



If Platini's plans go through in their entirety (I'm doubtful that they will) it will be the end of competitive football as we know it.

Ironic that fans of mid table clubs are those most vocal in their support of him - i.e. Everton fans I read recently saying "Good on Platini, it's about time someone put City in their place". Idiotic fuckers.


Yeah but that's all based in the thinking that "if we can't break the top four then no one else should either". It's something I will never understand. If the shoe was on the other foot and it was Everton there breaking the top four and going to places, I might be slightly envious but say "fair enough".


That's what amazes me about those thick fucks. This isn't about stopping City, we're a horse that's bolted, it's about stopping teams like Everton from taking over from Liverpool etc & people such as the Russians from taking over from the likes of the Italians in Europe. If Everton were to be taken over, as they wish, by a fairly wealthy person, he wouldn't be allowed to spend money & even if they qualify for the Chumps league in a few years, rather than being able to push the boat out for a couple of seasons to catch the others, all the revenue will go on just staying within Platini's rules. Clubs like Real, Barca & us will attaract sponsorship, gennuine or not, but clubs like Villa & Everton will be totally fucked. The same top clubs will also have al the best youngsters by then too.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:14 am
by ashton287
Every fan of every club know's this is bullshit and every fan that isn't wearing a chelsea, arsenal,scum, madrid, barca or inter shirt knows that this is going to ruin any chance there clubs ever had at being champions of anything. The whole football community knows this and yet everybody is just sitting back and letting this little french nazi bastard do it.

Someone with some sort of influence has to step in at some point and say hang on, what about fulham/stoke/bolton?, what are we supposed to do? shall we just play each other for 7th? just accept the fact that for 8 games a season we might as well not turn up? what if we want to buy a world class player? what about our fans? what about our fucking future? what if our owner wants out/goes bust and we can't get any new investors because no one wants a horse that is gauranteed to fucking lose? WTF are we supposed to do you little french prick?

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:37 pm
by Guy Debord
A really good article on the FFPR:

http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/08/the-uef ... erpool-fc/

By Daniel Geey. Daniel works as a solicitor for Field Fisher Waterhouse LLP and advises entities wishing to invest in the football industry, specifically in relation to the ‘fit and proper person’ test, conflicts of interest, multiple club ownership and third-party player ownership. He is also a subscriber to The Tomkins Times.

The aim of this article is to set out briefly the rationale for the new UEFA rules, then go into a little bit of detail about what they say, and then offer some insight into their significance for Liverpool Football Club. The article will try and demonstrate that, in the short term at least, due to the unfortunate timing of the proposed takeover and the lack of any significant funds in the last few transfer windows, Liverpool Football Club has not been able to take advantage of the UEFA rules used to calculate whether a club has broken even. There is no coincidence that Manchester City are spending fortunes this summer, because from the 2011/12 season, as will be described below, the club runs the risk of breaching the UEFA rules by spending over and above what they earn.

Background

UEFA and its president, Michel Platini, have long been concerned that clubs who continually make losses and, as a result, accumulate debt are not playing by the rules of fair competition. The Premier League, and in particular its chief executive, Richard Scudamore, has been wary of lessening the global attractiveness of the Premier League by curbing the ability of owners to subsidise their clubs or, in some cases, milk their clubs dry. Tellingly, however, UEFA has implemented, as part of its already functioning club licensing system, the Financial Fair Play Rules (FFPR) to ensure a club, more or less, has to balance its books.

UEFA’s overall aim for the FFPR is for its affiliated football clubs to balance their books, not spend more than they earn, and to promote investment in their stadia and training facility infrastructure and youth development. This idea of self-sustainability relates to UEFA’s underlying belief that transfer fee and wage inflation continues unabated because each set of new club owners injects more money into the European football club market. This ‘keeping up with the Joneses’ effect spirals further because a new owner then has to outbid other high-spending clubs.

Whilst the beneficiaries are no doubt the players who are earning ever more lucrative salaries, the clubs (through their representative ECA body) have been seeking ways with UEFA to actually limit their own spending. This may seem rather ironic in the case of Chelsea, given their £120m loss in 2004, but it actually makes perfect sense; Mr Abramovich, after spending over £700m, sees the fallacy of football clubs constantly outdoing one another. The very clubs that are being restricted by these rules are the ones that have actively participated in, and consented to, the proposals. Clubs are asking UEFA to save them from themselves. UEFA, along with the various interest groups, put forward proposals in order to create a deflationary effect across UEFA affiliated national football associations.

The Basics

It should be borne in mind that the new FFPR relate only to Champions League and Europa League, and not to domestic league, participation. Each club that believes it can qualify for that season’s European competitions must, prior to the beginning of that season, apply for a UEFA Club Licence. From the 2013-14 season, the licence stipulations will include adherence to the FFPR. Until the 2013-14 season, there are no sanctions for breaching the FFPR.

The FFPR will therefore start to bite from the 2013-14 season. The rules need to be borne in mind from the 2011-12 season onwards because the 2011-12 and 2012-13 season accounts are used to determine a club’s licence application in the 2013-14 season. For Liverpool, it means the club is unlikely to take advantage of the loophole that clubs like Manchester City are using for their benefit (i.e. buying this season so transfer spending does not appear in their 2011-12 accounts). Manchester City may still have break-even problems if their wage bill is as astronomical as most newspapers speculate.

The rules also encourage investment in youth development and infrastructure. Such infrastructure includes stadium and training ground development and expenditure in a club’s academy. Any club has the incentive to spend in these areas, should they wish to participate in European competition, because the FFPR does not count such investment as expenditure for the purposes of its break-even calculation. Therefore, any new funding for the proposed Stanley Park stadium will not impact on Liverpool’s ability to pass the FFPR because such finance would be excluded.

As any potential stadium is not included in UEFA’s break-even calculation, Liverpool’s next owners will be free to plant the first shovel in the ground, safe in the knowledge that higher levels of income will be generated which should aid Liverpool with their break-even requirement. The greater the commercial revenue growth funded by long-term infrastructure investment, the larger the revenue to balance against expenditure.

UEFA has also been at great pains to stress that they are not anti-debt. With Manchester United’s huge reported debt and our own debt inching towards it, Platini placated various debt-ridden clubs with the distinction that so long as the debt is being serviced (i.e. profit is covering interest payments) UEFA does not have a problem. Issues become more delicate when interest payments to service the debt do not cover the profit made. Sound familiar/worrying? From Liverpool’s latest published accounts, its trading profit of £27.4m fell someway short of the £40.1m required to service the interest payments due. The latest accounts certainly show Liverpool Football Club in the wrong type of red.

Acceptable Deviation = Break Even (ish)

A few important points to bear in mind. Usually, break-even means expenditure must equal revenue. Not in this case; at least at the outset of these rules. This is because included in the break-even calculation are the acceptable deviation provisions (code for a little bit of a loss is acceptable in the first few years). Clubs will not have to break even until 2018/19 season at the earliest.

The revenue that is taken into account for break-even purposes includes gate receipts, broadcasting rights, commercial sponsorship details and profit on player transfers. Expenditure includes player transfers, wages and associated costs and other operating expenses. There are also anti-evasion mechanisms like arms’-length trading and related-party transaction requirements.

The acceptable deviation provisions allow a club with some losses over a certain number of seasons to ‘break even’ and therefore pass the FFPR. Without trying to get too technical, below is a table that I have amended slightly from an excellent Swiss Ramble blog on the FFPR.

In taking the first row as an example, the rules come into force in the 2013-14 season. The reason why this is important is because, in the first year, two years’ worth of accounts are used to assess whether a particular club can successfully apply for its UEFA Club Licence.

Therefore, a club’s accounts for years 2011-12 and 2012-13 are used to determine the licence application. This is crucial because the present 2010-11 season accounts are not taken into account. The reason why Manchester City are investing so heavily now in their playing squad is because the overinflated transfers will show up as major expenditure only in their year-ending 2010-2011 accounts. Should they spend this type of money in the next summer’s transfer window (for the 2011-12 season (T-1)), such spending would be taken into account for the break-even calculation, which could have a damaging effect on being granted a UEFA licence.

Indeed, the FFPR may signal the end of the mega transfer because a club may simply not be able to afford a £50m fee and then break even. This is of course unless a club makes big commercial profits, which very few clubs (bar Arsenal) have done recently.

Strategically, if Chelsea or Manchester City want to buy Torres at a figure around £50m-60m, they would probably have to do it during this, or the January, transfer window. This would keep the Torres transfer off their 2011-12 season balance sheet. Otherwise, from the 2011-12 season onwards a club would have to make windfall revenues from their commercial activities (or sell another top player) to afford a marquee signing like Torres to balance the books. (Note: it may be possible to take a loan to fund a large transfer so long as the interest repayments do not send a club into the red.)

The table shows that the acceptable deviations (i.e. losses) vary quite considerably. From the 2013/14 season when the rules practically come into force, an owner can invest up to €45m over two seasons in exchange for more shares in the club. It means that after the 2013-14 season an owner can on average exchange only €15m worth of cash for shares each year to spend on transfers and wages, etc. That figure is reduced to €10m per season (€30m over three seasons) for the 2015-16 season. If an owner does not put any money into a club by way of cash for shares, each club’s acceptable loss (by reference to the last column in the table) is a mere €5m over three years.

Sanctions

The Club Financial Control Panel will conduct club audits to ensure that the system is applied correctly. If the Panel believes that the FFPR have not been fulfilled, it can refer the case to the strangely named Organs for Administration of Justice, with the ultimate sanction being a ban from UEFA competitions [and harvesting of your kidneys? PT].

The UEFA Disciplinary Regulations do provide for a whole host of possible sanctions including a reprimand, a fine, disqualification from competitions in progress and/or exclusion from future competitions or withdrawal of a licence.

Although the above are all possible sanctions, it appears likely from the outset (from the 2013-14 season) that a soft-touch approach may well be applied, simply because these rules were in part drafted by the clubs not wanting harsh sanctions for breach of the rules. This is unless presumably there is a blatant flouting of the rules (i.e. someone posting a loss similar to Chelsea’s £140m loss in the 2004/5 season).

Why a soft-touch approach? Because there is nothing set in stone in the rules which says a club falling outside of the break-even parameters will automatically have its licence refused. Indeed there is even a provision where clubs can be in breach of the break-even calculation and still not be sanctioned at all! (Annex 11(2) for those wanting to know where to look).

It should be borne in mind that Real Mallorca have, at the time of writing, been refused entry into this season’s Europa League because they failed to meet the UEFA Club Licensing entry criteria. This decision can however be appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Such an instance does illustrate the powers UEFA has to refuse a club licence application. When the FFPR get added to the licence criteria in time for the 2013-14 season, the rules will be stricter than those applied to Real Mallorca. A future high-profile UEFA refusal of a club licence application should not however be ruled out.

What does this all mean for Liverpool?

Short-Term Significance

Before the impending ownership changes were mooted, this piece was very much a ‘missed opportunity’ article. This was because I thought it highly unlikely that the current owners would either authorise a spending spree or sell before the transfer deadline with enough time for someone else to invest heavily. I presume that this will unfortunately still be the case.

As already mentioned, transfer spending completed before the 2011-12 season (as the first accounting period UEFA uses to measure the break-even test) would not be included in the UEFA FFPR calculations. Any large transfer spending, if it is not done in this summer or winter transfer window, would be taken into account by UEFA.

That is why it is so imperative for Liverpool, if they are going to get any transfer money from the new owners, to spend it quickly (and wisely!).

Longer-Term Significance

I may be proved wrong but this is where I believe the rules are in Liverpool’s favour. Unlike smaller Premier League clubs who will probably have only a finite level of commercial income (mid-range stadium capacity, merchandising sold only in the local area, limited commercialisation of overseas markets), Liverpool are one of only a small number of global football institutions that have the ability to expand their international commercial activities.

Additionally, and most importantly, the club has the potential for a much larger stadium to bring vastly increased revenues. Liverpool’s annual match-day income from their latest accounts of £42.5m is dwarfed by Arsenal’s £100.1m and Manchester United’s £108.8m in revenues. Being debt-free (a big ‘if’) and having £60m worth of additional revenue each season creates a much larger revenue stream with which to break even.

Therefore, in the long term, Liverpool’s hopefully increasing international commercial performance (perhaps into China) along with the potential revenue windfall of a new stadium should allow the Reds to keep within the rules by having larger revenues to balance against larger transfer spending.

Liverpool’s global following should give the club a disproportionate revenue advantage when compared with probably all but two or three other Premier League clubs. The fact that Liverpool are 7th (measured by revenue) in the Deloitte Football Money League 2010 for Europe shows the potential for further revenue growth.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:43 pm
by john@staustell
Good article Guy.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:48 pm
by Guy Debord
I think there's no doubt that once this season is over the club will look to the leisure development and an enlarged stadium with more corporate facilities to push up revenue.

'The latest Deloitte Football Money League report revealed City's match-day revenues and commercial income were both relatively low compared to other big hitters in the Premier League.

In the 2008-9 season, City collected £20.8m annually – £8.2m lower than Newcastle United despite playing seven more matches, and around half that achieved by Tottenham despite having average league attendances 7,000 higher'.

United's is around £100m a season.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:57 pm
by mr_nool
Guy Debord wrote:I think there's no doubt that once this season is over the club will look to the leisure development and an enlarged stadium with more corporate facilities to push up revenue.

'The latest Deloitte Football Money League report revealed City's match-day revenues and commercial income were both relatively low compared to other big hitters in the Premier League.

In the 2008-9 season, City collected £20.8m annually – £8.2m lower than Newcastle United despite playing seven more matches, and around half that achieved by Tottenham despite having average league attendances 7,000 higher'.

United's is around £100m a season.


And significantly higher ticket prices for City fans, I would presume.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:04 pm
by Dameerto
Sod kamikase, it's Tsunami spending - there's a relentless inevitability about it and that drunken red nosed old git knows it.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:13 pm
by Im_Spartacus
Guy Debord wrote:I think there's no doubt that once this season is over the club will look to the leisure development and an enlarged stadium with more corporate facilities to push up revenue.

'The latest Deloitte Football Money League report revealed City's match-day revenues and commercial income were both relatively low compared to other big hitters in the Premier League.

In the 2008-9 season, City collected £20.8m annually – £8.2m lower than Newcastle United despite playing seven more matches, and around half that achieved by Tottenham despite having average league attendances 7,000 higher'.

United's is around £100m a season.


Some interesting points in there from the Liverpool aspect. One thing I take from the article is that if the takeover is not completed in this transfer window, they may be in a bit of a pickle with regards spending any money resulting from a cash injection.

From our own perspective, the first thing that needs to happen is to buy out the council's interest in the attendances over 34,000 as this will massively hamper not only current income, but potentially also be an obstacle to increasing the capacity.

The 2nd thing that needs to happen, is that City need to start distributing their merchandise through a better & bigger distribution network than their own store and frankly shite website (imo). I know kitbag have been brought in, but unless this is going to result in other retailers being allowed to stock city shirts, then I don't see how we intend to take over the world, or for that matter, even Manchester.

Those two individual actions would boost our income by huge amounts. The first would be by making a one off payment this year to the council so the income will show up on our books in full, but the cost of buying those rights wouldn't. If we can't get this sorted, it really wouldn't surprise me to see us plan a new stadium altogether.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:37 pm
by branny
Platini is an idiot. You've only got to look at the Bellamy situation at Cardiff to see his proposals are ridiculous. Bringing better players in has a positive effect on income. Apparently with the income generated so far from merchandise, increased ticket sales etc, they've pretty much covered the cost of his season long loan already.

Re: Don't mock City spending

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:44 pm
by Guy Debord
branny wrote:Platini is an idiot. You've only got to look at the Bellamy situation at Cardiff to see his proposals are ridiculous. Bringing better players in has a positive effect on income. Apparently with the income generated so far from merchandise, increased ticket sales etc, they've pretty much covered the cost of his season long loan already.


Tell that to Leeds