GavinSE1 wrote:The rules of the Premier League are not very helpful, but there does appear to be a mechanism to make a request to change the squad mid-season:
5. Changes to a Squad List may be made:
5.1 during the period of a Transfer Window; or
5.2 at other times only with the permission of the Board.
The "Board" is the Board of Directors for the company that runs the Premier League. Presumably if there is a long-term injury and inadequate cover in the ranks of the U21 players, then the Board may give permission to register a new player. However, I think clubs will be treated with suspicion if the player being brought in is one that will strengthen the squad.
Beefymcfc wrote:GavinSE1 wrote:The rules of the Premier League are not very helpful, but there does appear to be a mechanism to make a request to change the squad mid-season:
5. Changes to a Squad List may be made:
5.1 during the period of a Transfer Window; or
5.2 at other times only with the permission of the Board.
The "Board" is the Board of Directors for the company that runs the Premier League. Presumably if there is a long-term injury and inadequate cover in the ranks of the U21 players, then the Board may give permission to register a new player. However, I think clubs will be treated with suspicion if the player being brought in is one that will strengthen the squad.
Yes, but that 'other time' would have to be within the transfer window to register another player, surely. Which means that you would have to have players off the books in the reserves who could be brought in at short notice, and prepared to possibly lose a season of their career.
I was going over these new rules the other day and just can't fathom out what clubs do with all the excess players? There can't be enough clubs out there to take them all, and we may find a lot of players without jobs. Then, it will only take one of them to challenge the current regulations under Employment Laws (I'm guessing) for it all to change again.
Ted Hughes wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:GavinSE1 wrote:The rules of the Premier League are not very helpful, but there does appear to be a mechanism to make a request to change the squad mid-season:
5. Changes to a Squad List may be made:
5.1 during the period of a Transfer Window; or
5.2 at other times only with the permission of the Board.
The "Board" is the Board of Directors for the company that runs the Premier League. Presumably if there is a long-term injury and inadequate cover in the ranks of the U21 players, then the Board may give permission to register a new player. However, I think clubs will be treated with suspicion if the player being brought in is one that will strengthen the squad.
Yes, but that 'other time' would have to be within the transfer window to register another player, surely. Which means that you would have to have players off the books in the reserves who could be brought in at short notice, and prepared to possibly lose a season of their career.
I was going over these new rules the other day and just can't fathom out what clubs do with all the excess players? There can't be enough clubs out there to take them all, and we may find a lot of players without jobs. Then, it will only take one of them to challenge the current regulations under Employment Laws (I'm guessing) for it all to change again.
I would imagine there are very few clubs who have many genuine 1st team squad players who would have to leave. We barely have to lose any & we're ruining football. If clubs without our dosh have to lose lots of players out of a squad of 25 then they were in trouble anyway. Got to clear the wardrobe out sometime. Don't know what kind of orange winklepickers will be lurking in Rafa's old shoe cupboard though.
Beefymcfc wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:GavinSE1 wrote:The rules of the Premier League are not very helpful, but there does appear to be a mechanism to make a request to change the squad mid-season:
5. Changes to a Squad List may be made:
5.1 during the period of a Transfer Window; or
5.2 at other times only with the permission of the Board.
The "Board" is the Board of Directors for the company that runs the Premier League. Presumably if there is a long-term injury and inadequate cover in the ranks of the U21 players, then the Board may give permission to register a new player. However, I think clubs will be treated with suspicion if the player being brought in is one that will strengthen the squad.
Yes, but that 'other time' would have to be within the transfer window to register another player, surely. Which means that you would have to have players off the books in the reserves who could be brought in at short notice, and prepared to possibly lose a season of their career.
I was going over these new rules the other day and just can't fathom out what clubs do with all the excess players? There can't be enough clubs out there to take them all, and we may find a lot of players without jobs. Then, it will only take one of them to challenge the current regulations under Employment Laws (I'm guessing) for it all to change again.
I would imagine there are very few clubs who have many genuine 1st team squad players who would have to leave. We barely have to lose any & we're ruining football. If clubs without our dosh have to lose lots of players out of a squad of 25 then they were in trouble anyway. Got to clear the wardrobe out sometime. Don't know what kind of orange winklepickers will be lurking in Rafa's old shoe cupboard though.
Checking on Wiki, we currently have 38 first team players on the books, including some Academy lads. They can't all be put into the 25 and quite a few will have to be farmed out, sold or shot. There's talk of Stevie not being named in the 25 and that could go for a few other names such as Bellamy, as we have other options.
All this begs another question, what happens when we want to sign someone else? It's going to be ruthless as we'll know immediately who's going. And although this may seem strange, these very rules are on par with what was about to be introduced by UEFA, in their now scrapped quota scheme. For me, these rules were intoduced to counter-act what UEFA were doing and when you combine them with the new UEFA Financial implications, seem to be aimed at financial regulation rather than competition.
To be honest, it does seem quite obvious why Mancio wants 2 top class players, and now, for each position with one extra defender, midfielder et al, becuase if he doesn't do it, then we are going to be in stum with all the games coming up. Yes, we can afford to do it, but there are many teams who cannot which leaves the current position of the Top clubs exactly the same as before, if you know what I mean.
I know I shouldn't really complain but it just seems wrong.
razor400 wrote:If the Ballotelli deal goes through does the fact that he is 19 mean that he won't have to be named in the 25?
A home grown player is defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Welsh Football Association for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).
For the purposes of this rule, the season is deemed to run from the date the first transfer window closes until the final match of the campaign.
In keeping with UEFA guidelines, an Under 21 player is defined as one who is under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences. For the 2010/11 campaign Under 21 players will have been born on or after 1st January 1989.
exceptional circumstances
The 25-man squads must be submitted to the Premier League by 5pm on the day following the close of each transfer window. For the 2010/11 season the first window will close at 6pm on 31st August and final squads must be registered by 5pm on 1st September. Before then Clubs will not be required to name their squads and may select their teams from any registered players.
While the transfer windows are open, clubs may change their squads as many times as they want. However they will only be able to make alterations outside the windows if there are exceptional circumstances and the changes are approved by the Premier League board.
For example, if a club has two out of three goalkeepers injured they may be permitted to bring in a replacement under the guidelines drawn up by a specially formed working party.
Players in the 25-man squads who go out on loan to Football League clubs may not be replaced. However they may reclaim their place on their return.
Clubs do not have to name a full squad of 25 if they do not have that many contracted players and in this instance they may add free agents outside the transfer window. However if they have 25 eligible contracted players, they must be named.
Similarly, clubs do not have to name eight home grown players if they do not have that many but that would mean operating with a reduced squad.
The system will be simple enough to administer. Clubs will register their players via an online form which automatically flags up if they have named too many players who do not qualify as Home-Grown.
Dunnylad wrote:From Premierleague websiteA home grown player is defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Welsh Football Association for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).
For the purposes of this rule, the season is deemed to run from the date the first transfer window closes until the final match of the campaign.
In keeping with UEFA guidelines, an Under 21 player is defined as one who is under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences. For the 2010/11 campaign Under 21 players will have been born on or after 1st January 1989.
exceptional circumstances
The 25-man squads must be submitted to the Premier League by 5pm on the day following the close of each transfer window. For the 2010/11 season the first window will close at 6pm on 31st August and final squads must be registered by 5pm on 1st September. Before then Clubs will not be required to name their squads and may select their teams from any registered players.
While the transfer windows are open, clubs may change their squads as many times as they want. However they will only be able to make alterations outside the windows if there are exceptional circumstances and the changes are approved by the Premier League board.
For example, if a club has two out of three goalkeepers injured they may be permitted to bring in a replacement under the guidelines drawn up by a specially formed working party.
Players in the 25-man squads who go out on loan to Football League clubs may not be replaced. However they may reclaim their place on their return.
Clubs do not have to name a full squad of 25 if they do not have that many contracted players and in this instance they may add free agents outside the transfer window. However if they have 25 eligible contracted players, they must be named.
Similarly, clubs do not have to name eight home grown players if they do not have that many but that would mean operating with a reduced squad.
The system will be simple enough to administer. Clubs will register their players via an online form which automatically flags up if they have named too many players who do not qualify as Home-Grown.
Ted Hughes wrote:There's another more relevant bit which refers to an 'unlimited number of players U21' & I can't find anything amongst that which says there'd be a problem with Balotelli etc qualifying.
From this season onwards Premier League clubs will have to name a squad of up to 25 players with eight of the 25 places reserved exclusively for Home Grown Players.
In addition, clubs may also call upon an unlimited number of Under 21 players.
The scheme applies only in the Barclays Premier League and not in the FA Cup or Carling Cup.
good work
Premier League General Secretary Mike Foster explained: "The aim is to encourage more home grown players and to give more opportunities to Academy graduates.
"At our summer meeting in 2009 the clubs devoted a whole day to discussing youth development and highlighting all the good work being done at Academy level.
"It can be difficult though for scholars to get first-team opportunities once they have left the Academy so we came up with a number of ideas to help bridge that gulf.
"The squad system idea coupled with a home grown player quota received broad support and after considering various other systems of this kind from around Europe, Clubs opted to closely replicate the model in use by UEFA, partly because it was the one with which a significant number of Clubs were the most familiar.
"One difference between the Premier League and UEFA systems is that with UEFA, Home Grown players are split into two categories: association trained and club trained whereas Premier League Rules refer only to association trained - in other words to qualify as a Home Grown Player you must have spent at least three years registered with any English or Welsh Clubs while below the age of 21.
"If this does increase opportunities for young players as we hope, then it will encourage further investment in youth development. The more quality Under 21 players clubs have, the better placed they will be as they will have more players to select from.
"Clubs may be permitted to change their squads outside the transfer window in very extreme cases and with the Board's approval - for example, if they have injuries to goalkeepers. However we do not anticipate many occasions where this is likely to happen.
"In the event of the unavailability of players in the first team squad due to injury, illness or suspension then clubs will have to promote Under 21 players as they will not be able to change their squad or register new players if the Window has closed."
smaller pool
The hope is that this rule change will have a beneficial knock-on effect at international level, giving England a greater pool of potential players.
It will also reward clubs for their investment in youth as limiting squad sizes could produce savings on transfer fees and wages.
Foster added: "While the sporting factor of encouraging youth development was the main driver behind bringing in the new Rule it is anticipated that there will also be financial benefits in operating with a smaller pool of contracted players and a higher preponderance of young players developed in England.
"It is hoped that a healthy by-product of the new system will be a bigger pool of players for England to choose from.
"At the moment around 85 per cent of scholars are English with the remainder coming from abroad and if that ratio is maintained with players being selected for the first-team then that would be a healthy situation.
"It is quite a significant step which is only just beginning to attract fans' attention as we approach the start of the new season."
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