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An interesting look at the conflicting analysis of the Irish panel and bbc panel of pundits covering the England Slovenia game.

Hansen: “Once England got the goal the confidence levels surged, they were excellent.”
Eamon Dunphy: “They just didn’t grow in confidence at all after the goal.”
Lineker: “The goal really settled them, didn’t it? They pushed on from there.”
Ronnie Whelan: “You’d think they’d have kicked on from when they scored, but they actually got worse.”
Roy: “England’s crossing has been absolutely outstanding.”
Giles: “Some of the crossing was just awful.”
Shearer: “Rooney looks more confident, he’s getting around the pitch a lot better.”
Dunphy: “It’s shocking to see Rooney so subdued, he’s been reduced to a shivering wreck.”
Shearer: “They look much more comfortable on the ball, they’re passing it with a purpose, with pace, they’re closing down – a much better performance, it’s encouraging.”
Giles: “They’re much better than they have been, but they couldn’t have been worse.”
No arguments, then. Second half. England held on. Full-time. Ready?
Lee Dixon: “A great performance.”
Dunphy: “Shocking . . . absolutely incredibly bad . . . pretty awful stuff.”
Hansen: “The commitment was there, the spirit was there, the enterprise was there, the creativity was there, they passed it better – they could have scored five or six quite easily. Capello will obviously be delighted with the performance.”
Giles: “If that’s the shackles off what’ll they be like when the shackles are back on?”
’Arry Redknapp: “We played with pace, we got after them, we pressed them, there wasn’t a weakness in the team.”
Dunphy: “They were astonishingly poor.”
Lineker: “He looked more like the Rooney we know.”
Ronnie: “Rooney is a major worry, his form, his body language, his demeanour, everything.”
Dixon: “Gerrard was outstanding.”
Dunphy: “I can’t believe how bad Gerrard was today.”
’Arry: “Across midfield we were top drawer.”
Giles: “Barry got worse as the game went on, Milner, Gerrard and Lampard the same.”
’Arry: “Bring it on! Whoever we play we’ll be difficult to beat.”
Ronnie: “If they don’t improve they’ll go straight out, it was a very, very inept performance.”

Some English people, or those getting paid by English people, are trying to be positive about the team. What a shocker. Everyone else does it. Why shouldn't the English?

And some non-English people disagree. Amazing stuff.

90% of the time MOTD pundits pussyfoot and never say what they actually want to say - probably because they're not allowed.

From what I can see, they can pretty much say what they like on the RTE panel and that's what makes it honest viewing.

Dunphy and the boys are the best thing on irish television. Good to see honest opinions(not always right) but no manufactured clichye shit.

It's hardly surprising that the non-English onlookers will have different views from the English ones.

You can usually assume that the actual performance fell somewhere between the two sets of biased views.

Tokyo Blue wrote:Some English people, or those getting paid by English people, are trying to be positive about the team. What a shocker. Everyone else does it. Why shouldn't the English?

And some non-English people disagree. Amazing stuff.

Why not a bit of brutal honesty ?
In reality they bulit up an average performance against a below average side.

Dubciteh wrote:Dunphy and the boys are the best thing on irish television. Good to see honest opinions(not always right) but no manufactured clichye shit.

You said it, absolute honesty, no fear of getting ticked off.

I have thoroughly enjoyed watching the RTE panel this World Cup. Throughly refreshing and watchable. Good post Green and Blue to bring this one up because I was suprised by the categorical criticism from them. I thought while I was watching the analysis..., well, ok, we weren't devastatingly good, we werent sending shock waves over Africa, BUT IT WAS BETTER! wasn't it?. It was! couldnt be fucking worse!. For anyone missing the game, looking at the analysis on RTE you'd be thinking...fuck me, Algeria mark 2. It wasn't. If yesterdays display had been in the first game, and Green hadnt applied the fairy liquid to his hands people would have been saying what a bloody solid start. Apart from this I now go to RTE first for any post match analysis. At least they speak their mind.

I just love the way "Honest" Dunphy always tells it like it is...or was.

"I wrote it...It was all my idea to put it into the book...Roy Keane didn't have anything to do with it and he didn't know I was writing it"

...and with that "Honest" Dunphy destroyed any chance that Harland and City had of taking Roy Kunt to court to get compensation.

You have to admire his honesty.

john68 wrote:I just love the way "Honest" Dunphy always tells it like it is...or was.

"I wrote it...It was all my idea to put it into the book...Roy Keane didn't have anything to do with it and he didn't know I was writing it"

...and with that "Honest" Dunphy destroyed any chance that Harland and City had of taking Roy Kunt to court to get compensation.

You have to admire his honesty.

Complete utter fucking wanker.

Love the idea that MOTD pundits are under some kind of threat about criticising England. Obviously it was allowed to slide after the Algeria game! What a load of bitter pitiful, sad shite this is. How shocking it is that any of us should dare get above our station.

john68 wrote:I just love the way "Honest" Dunphy always tells it like it is...or was.

"I wrote it...It was all my idea to put it into the book...Roy Keane didn't have anything to do with it and he didn't know I was writing it"

...and with that "Honest" Dunphy destroyed any chance that Harland and City had of taking Roy Kunt to court to get compensation.

You have to admire his honesty.

Exactly John, it makes my blood boil just hearing the twats name, I think I would put my foot through the tele if I had to watch him doing the punditry.

i'm not too far away from agreeing with the nay sayers tbh, but the bitter irish fuckers can piss off anyway.

I BELIEVE!

(Directed at no-one in particular)

And fuck you if you don't, if you are so convinced we're gonna lose why bother even watching? Cunts.

Easy patriots.
No point in reffering to the Irish as being bitter fuckers, cunts etc.I did not intend to upset anyone or cause any aggro with this thread.
I just thought it interesting to show the huge difference in opinion between both panels.
I believe the truth lies somewhere in between it was an average performance nothing better nothing worse.I just dont get why such an abundance of praise was poured generously over an average performance.
The rte panel dont hold back when it comes to the irish team.I just found it hard to believe the guys in the bbc studio could really be that impressed with a 1-0 win over Slovenia, relieved with the result yes but not declaring what ultimately was a struggle to be a great performance.

Green & Blue wrote:An interesting look at the conflicting analysis of the Irish panel and bbc panel of pundits covering the England Slovenia game.

Hansen: “Once England got the goal the confidence levels surged, they were excellent.”
Eamon Dunphy: “They just didn’t grow in confidence at all after the goal.”
Lineker: “The goal really settled them, didn’t it? They pushed on from there.”
Ronnie Whelan: “You’d think they’d have kicked on from when they scored, but they actually got worse.”
Roy: “England’s crossing has been absolutely outstanding.”
Giles: “Some of the crossing was just awful.”
Shearer: “Rooney looks more confident, he’s getting around the pitch a lot better.”
Dunphy: “It’s shocking to see Rooney so subdued, he’s been reduced to a shivering wreck.”
Shearer: “They look much more comfortable on the ball, they’re passing it with a purpose, with pace, they’re closing down – a much better performance, it’s encouraging.”
Giles: “They’re much better than they have been, but they couldn’t have been worse.”
No arguments, then. Second half. England held on. Full-time. Ready?
Lee Dixon: “A great performance.”
Dunphy: “Shocking . . . absolutely incredibly bad . . . pretty awful stuff.”
Hansen: “The commitment was there, the spirit was there, the enterprise was there, the creativity was there, they passed it better – they could have scored five or six quite easily. Capello will obviously be delighted with the performance.”
Giles: “If that’s the shackles off what’ll they be like when the shackles are back on?”
’Arry Redknapp: “We played with pace, we got after them, we pressed them, there wasn’t a weakness in the team.”
Dunphy: “They were astonishingly poor.”
Lineker: “He looked more like the Rooney we know.”
Ronnie: “Rooney is a major worry, his form, his body language, his demeanour, everything.”
Dixon: “Gerrard was outstanding.”
Dunphy: “I can’t believe how bad Gerrard was today.”
’Arry: “Across midfield we were top drawer.”
Giles: “Barry got worse as the game went on, Milner, Gerrard and Lampard the same.”
’Arry: “Bring it on! Whoever we play we’ll be difficult to beat.”
Ronnie: “If they don’t improve they’ll go straight out, it was a very, very inept performance.”

Conflicting opinions indeed - not one of them mentioned how Defoe had grabbed hold of the defencers shirt in order to get a steel on him to score what was the deciding goal. If the defender had grabbed Defoes shirt it would have been a penner, but strangely despite the slow motion repaly clearly showing Defoes actions not one of the pundits metioned it.