Has Robinho shown the fans (and club) a lack of respect?

[mr_nool]

To the title thread the answer is no. And for Robbie himself, I'd have him in any team home and away. It doesn't take a genious to understand that if an opposing defence has to put 2 players on him, then it leaves spaces elsewhere. If the other players cannot take advantage of that, then that cannot be put on Robbies shoulders; can it?

It's a good point that. He does get doubled up on, and that should allow our other creatives to find more space.

But the main point with him is when we've not got the ball. He provides the oppo with an easy option, i.e. our left back is constantly exposed. And he looks so lacklustre at times it's like he's not arsed. Unfortunately that also applies at times when we do have the ball, even when the ridiculously talented maestro himself has it. I'd play him in any team home or away myself if I thought he would knuckle down and try his best, but I wouldn't pick anyone if I didn't expect them to try their nads off. But he doesn't try anywhere near that. Attitude. Like Elano.

this is going to sound like a hughes out post but i have to say it.
i have been sticking up for robinho for months now against people at work ,southerners i know and utd fans who believe all they read in papers and what hansen and lawrenson say after wtaching him for 10 minutes each match.
ok robinho doesnt track brack.
hes not in the game for 90 minutes constant running like tevez.
he goes missing away from home
he also goes missing at home!
but he is a world class player and we have all seen what he is capable of.
BUT......can we afford a player like this at the moment? i think not.
BUT......he is not being played to his strenghs. he should be behind the front 2 not out wide.i dont think the management are getting the best out of him .....well i know they are not to be honest
fuck me im rambling but fuck it im on holiday and pissed!

too bad weve hardl played with two up front since keegan.

[CityFanFromRome]

He seems like a Little Lord Fauntleroy at times, his work ethic (defensively) is poor even when he's on fire at home. I'm constantly frustrated by the way he actually pretends to defend, when he moves towards defenders, limply raises a leg at the ball and then watches it go down the line where he should be running to cover, like a dog that's just seen a toy it can't be arsed with anymore chucked away. The antithesis of Carlito. He turns as quickly as he can from the bastard that somehow managed to clear the ball before he got there, and sends his energies at full speed towards somehow getting the ball back in possession for City.

Maybe Robi is just a bit too spoilt a character, although admittedly it can't have been easy for him; having everything so bloody easy

Careful though, not every player is the same and not all of them can do the same things, we need to understand what we can rightly expect from him, and what we simply can't expect because it's not in his characteristics, otherwise we will end slagging him even when he's playing to his abilities just because we think he should do something he can't do at the level we want. He's not the only attacking player in the Prem that cannot defend, not in the way Bellamy and Tevez do it. The real problem is when he can't even put a shift toward creating something when we have the ball, imho.

[Colin the King]

Leaving aside the respect issue for a minute, I think there's an issue tactically that's preventing Robinho from playing at his full capability.

Last season we played an attacking 4-3-3 system in which Robinho played as a left-sided striker- a completely different proposition than a winger. He thrived under it, for the most part, and the outcome was 15 goals and dozens of assists. I still maintain that the system we used last season was an excellent one- it allowed us to play a game that suited us and as a consequence we scored a lot of goals- its downfall was the lack of quality, particularly in defensive areas- but I thought if we could sign some quality in those areas and persevered with the core system, we'd be flying. However, the manager has decided to opt for a new system, with two central midfielders, two wingers and two strikers (or at least that's the idea) which I would've thought suited a more defensive minded or physical side than ours.

It's of vital importance in a system like this that the wingers operate up and down the touchline, putting in a defensive effort and sticking to that side as much as possible- Bellamy or Petrov, to an extent, can do this well but it simply doesn't suit Robinho. His speed is a speed of thought rather than movement, he cuts inside and likes to have the freedom to weave his magic- but what we're using at the moment is square pegs in round holes.

So, if we either revert to that more fluid 4-3-3 system of last season, which with a better quality of players should in theory work much better, or position Robinho behind Adebayor/RSC in a central area, I think we'll start to see what he's capable of again. Asking him to work the touchline, covering his defender and whipping crosses in just isn't going to work out.

He seems to be a player that needs confidence and appreciation to succeed- it's a vicious circle at the moment because as long as he's deployed as a left winger, he'll not perform to the best of his ability and that will see his confidence lessen as the weeks go on, and that's where, rightly or wrongly, the tantrums and disagreements will kick in.

[viking the Odd]

I feel sorry for the chap, he was probaly brought up with beech football and all that, I think we should make him feel more at home, so I propose MCFC, to use Mark Hughes contacts and send him to Aberystwyth for Christmas on the beech, and for him to contimplate what could be,if he pulled his finger out.

[Slim]

I think Robinho has become like Elano in that he seems to fit into one system and ONLY one system and pretty much the side has to be built around him. In a conventional 4-4-2 we are better served by having Petrov or even Bellamy on the left, Petrov for the guarenteed width he provides and Bellamy for his ability to cover the fullback. Same in the 4-4-1-1 however he no longer has the isolation he enjoys in a 4-4-2 because of the floating centreforward. I would suggest playing him behind the striker, but then we come to the problem of him versus Tevez and for me that isn't even a question as the Argentinian's work ethic makes all the difference in the defend from the front mentality we will need to be a top team.

In a 4-3-3 it seems to be the best bet, he is afforded room with the forward line spread, has cover behind him from the two central midfielders and can even drift inside if the striker can drag defenders away.(Unfortunately for Robinho, the best one to drag defenders is Robinho and he might be a blur, but two places at once is a Superman trick and he would compact defences running too early from midfield). I think there is a place for him in this team, but as a guaranteed starter is not going to happen until he changes his attitude and stops trying to get the world in line with Robinho instead of the other way around, if he can live with that then fine, he is the equivalant of a nuclear missile of a substitution, but he needs to prop up that chin and stop letting his head drop when something doesn't go his way.

[Goataldo]

He seems like a Little Lord Fauntleroy at times, his work ethic (defensively) is poor even when he's on fire at home. I'm constantly frustrated by the way he actually pretends to defend, when he moves towards defenders, limply raises a leg at the ball and then watches it go down the line where he should be running to cover, like a dog that's just seen a toy it can't be arsed with anymore chucked away. The antithesis of Carlito. He turns as quickly as he can from the bastard that somehow managed to clear the ball before he got there, and sends his energies at full speed towards somehow getting the ball back in possession for City.

Maybe Robi is just a bit too spoilt a character, although admittedly it can't have been easy for him; having everything so bloody easy

Careful though, not every player is the same and not all of them can do the same things, we need to understand what we can rightly expect from him, and what we simply can't expect because it's not in his characteristics, otherwise we will end slagging him even when he's playing to his abilities just because we think he should do something he can't do at the level we want. He's not the only attacking player in the Prem that cannot defend, not in the way Bellamy and Tevez do it. The real problem is when he can't even put a shift toward creating something when we have the ball, imho.

I know what you mean, and in essence I agree, but do you not think we should be able to understand and expect that any player in our team tries everything in his ability to win the game for the club.Or more appropriately, for teh team.. I agree that the major concern should be over his inconsistent attacking ability (prob wrong word to be fair), but away from home especially, he is looking like a complete luxury as we need to have players that can defend all over the pitch when we're being peppered. And if he isn;t doing what he's capable of, and showing nosign of sorting it, he should get subbed.

[ashton287]

if i was him and i got subbed id have gone straight down the tunnel, i wouldnt of shook hughes hand either

he's publicly come out and said he wants to stay and i think something he said that is important to the tunnel incident is he wants to play 90 mins EVERY game, he wants to play football basically and anything else is paranoia as far as im concerned

personally i think he was just pissed at hughes for putting out a team with no formation and then taking robbie off (making it seem like it's his fault) when if anything ireland/de jong should have been subbed for petrov, robbie should of gone over to the right so we had 2 wingers and petrov to give abit more cover for sylvinho or simply took one of them off for weiss so we could go to a 4-4-2 formation

i think we need a better manager to get the best out of our players, especially robbie cos he needs a manager he can respect and so do the rest so we never have to watch our team play like that again and as for getting a young player and having bellamy in robbies place, are you serious everyone seems to be forgetting that bellamy is a fucking striker NOT a winger he plays ok there but he's not robinho

This is the kind of respect Robinho gets from a lot of fans and i was putting the question out there: Does he still deserve it? If a less talented player wasn't pulling his weight (think of the shit Gergeous George took), he'd be pilloried from the stands. We need to stop being so thankful that he "loves" us and salvage some pride in my opinion. His reputation internationally is no better than that of Tevez. In fact, he's achieved quite a bit less than Carlos and hasn't had to deal with anything like the same amount of upheaval and non-football-based distractions off the pitch. We've given Tevez a permanent home, a good pay check and a chance to settle and shine and he's thriving in it. Why should we accept any less from Robinho?

Also, I don't buy that it's Hughes' fault. He gave him the start ahead of Petrov in the big game he craved on Wednesday. Even the most steadfast Robinho apologist must have seen that he wasn't interested.

Finally,to say that Robinho is a natural winger is inaccurate. To say that he's more effective for us on the left than Bellamy has been is wildly inaccurate. We're not playing in the Copa America. Nike-advert skills will win us nothing without commitment.

didnt say that robbie is a natural winger and didnt say he's been more effective then bellamy but i am going to now, bellamy is a striker he was only put on the left cos robbie was injured and even though he's really really effective petrov doesnt get a shout most days, BUUUUT look at robbie last season and tell me bellamy is more effective on the left then having robbie there and bellamy upfront where he should be because he's a STRIKER. IMO bellamy should be starting as a striker or coming on as a striker he should be 3rd choice on the wing because he belongs upfront scoring goals MAYBE put him on the left if we've got a fragile lead and need cover for bridge/sylvinho, definately rather see robbie/petrov on the left with bellamy upfront rather then having santa cruz on the pitch EVER

[Alioune DVToure]

if i was him and i got subbed id have gone straight down the tunnel, i wouldnt of shook hughes hand either

he's publicly come out and said he wants to stay and i think something he said that is important to the tunnel incident is he wants to play 90 mins EVERY game, he wants to play football basically and anything else is paranoia as far as im concerned

personally i think he was just pissed at hughes for putting out a team with no formation and then taking robbie off (making it seem like it's his fault) when if anything ireland/de jong should have been subbed for petrov, robbie should of gone over to the right so we had 2 wingers and petrov to give abit more cover for sylvinho or simply took one of them off for weiss so we could go to a 4-4-2 formation

i think we need a better manager to get the best out of our players, especially robbie cos he needs a manager he can respect and so do the rest so we never have to watch our team play like that again and as for getting a young player and having bellamy in robbies place, are you serious everyone seems to be forgetting that bellamy is a fucking striker NOT a winger he plays ok there but he's not robinho

This is the kind of respect Robinho gets from a lot of fans and i was putting the question out there: Does he still deserve it? If a less talented player wasn't pulling his weight (think of the shit Gergeous George took), he'd be pilloried from the stands. We need to stop being so thankful that he "loves" us and salvage some pride in my opinion. His reputation internationally is no better than that of Tevez. In fact, he's achieved quite a bit less than Carlos and hasn't had to deal with anything like the same amount of upheaval and non-football-based distractions off the pitch. We've given Tevez a permanent home, a good pay check and a chance to settle and shine and he's thriving in it. Why should we accept any less from Robinho?

Also, I don't buy that it's Hughes' fault. He gave him the start ahead of Petrov in the big game he craved on Wednesday. Even the most steadfast Robinho apologist must have seen that he wasn't interested.

Finally,to say that Robinho is a natural winger is inaccurate. To say that he's more effective for us on the left than Bellamy has been is wildly inaccurate. We're not playing in the Copa America. Nike-advert skills will win us nothing without commitment.

didnt say that robbie is a natural winger and didnt say he's been more effective then bellamy but i am going to now, bellamy is a striker he was only put on the left cos robbie was injured and even though he's really really effective petrov doesnt get a shout most days, BUUUUT look at robbie last season and tell me bellamy is more effective on the left then having robbie there and bellamy upfront where he should be because he's a STRIKER. IMO bellamy should be starting as a striker or coming on as a striker he should be 3rd choice on the wing because he belongs upfront scoring goals MAYBE put him on the left if we've got a fragile lead and need cover for bridge/sylvinho, definately rather see robbie/petrov on the left with bellamy upfront rather then having santa cruz on the pitch EVER

"everyone seems to be forgetting that bellamy is a fucking striker NOT a winger he plays ok there but he's not robinho"

I apologise if you feel I was putting words in your mouth but that quote DOES seem to suggest you were saying that Bellamy isn't a natural winger whereas Robinho is. This season, Bellamy has played on the left and has been in the form of his life so I really don't see a problem with him being played there. He's consistently been a threat (often to the extent of being completely unplayable such as vs Arsenal in both league and cup), has scored a few and made a couple of others. I actually think that he's MORE dangerous out on the left - he's extremely two footed (unlike Petrov) which confuses full-backs and gets more space to exploit his lightning turn of pace. I know he's not a long-term option given his injury problems and his age (30?), but as long as he's fit and in this form he has to play out there for me. For him with his attitude and form to be dropped to make way for Robi with his current attitude and form is the kind of managerial decision that could easily cause unrest in the camp and lead to accusations of preferential treatment. We, as a club, should not be in awe of any player, regardless of reputation, given where we're heading. Every player can be replaced so they should all be on their toes.

[ashton287]

if i was him and i got subbed id have gone straight down the tunnel, i wouldnt of shook hughes hand either

he's publicly come out and said he wants to stay and i think something he said that is important to the tunnel incident is he wants to play 90 mins EVERY game, he wants to play football basically and anything else is paranoia as far as im concerned

personally i think he was just pissed at hughes for putting out a team with no formation and then taking robbie off (making it seem like it's his fault) when if anything ireland/de jong should have been subbed for petrov, robbie should of gone over to the right so we had 2 wingers and petrov to give abit more cover for sylvinho or simply took one of them off for weiss so we could go to a 4-4-2 formation

i think we need a better manager to get the best out of our players, especially robbie cos he needs a manager he can respect and so do the rest so we never have to watch our team play like that again and as for getting a young player and having bellamy in robbies place, are you serious everyone seems to be forgetting that bellamy is a fucking striker NOT a winger he plays ok there but he's not robinho

This is the kind of respect Robinho gets from a lot of fans and i was putting the question out there: Does he still deserve it? If a less talented player wasn't pulling his weight (think of the shit Gergeous George took), he'd be pilloried from the stands. We need to stop being so thankful that he "loves" us and salvage some pride in my opinion. His reputation internationally is no better than that of Tevez. In fact, he's achieved quite a bit less than Carlos and hasn't had to deal with anything like the same amount of upheaval and non-football-based distractions off the pitch. We've given Tevez a permanent home, a good pay check and a chance to settle and shine and he's thriving in it. Why should we accept any less from Robinho?

Also, I don't buy that it's Hughes' fault. He gave him the start ahead of Petrov in the big game he craved on Wednesday. Even the most steadfast Robinho apologist must have seen that he wasn't interested.

Finally,to say that Robinho is a natural winger is inaccurate. To say that he's more effective for us on the left than Bellamy has been is wildly inaccurate. We're not playing in the Copa America. Nike-advert skills will win us nothing without commitment.

didnt say that robbie is a natural winger and didnt say he's been more effective then bellamy but i am going to now, bellamy is a striker he was only put on the left cos robbie was injured and even though he's really really effective petrov doesnt get a shout most days, BUUUUT look at robbie last season and tell me bellamy is more effective on the left then having robbie there and bellamy upfront where he should be because he's a STRIKER. IMO bellamy should be starting as a striker or coming on as a striker he should be 3rd choice on the wing because he belongs upfront scoring goals MAYBE put him on the left if we've got a fragile lead and need cover for bridge/sylvinho, definately rather see robbie/petrov on the left with bellamy upfront rather then having santa cruz on the pitch EVER

"everyone seems to be forgetting that bellamy is a fucking striker NOT a winger he plays ok there but he's not robinho"

I apologise if you feel I was putting words in your mouth but that quote DOES seem to suggest you were saying that Bellamy isn't a natural winger whereas Robinho is. This season, Bellamy has played on the left and has been in the form of his life so I really don't see a problem with him being played there. He's consistently been a threat (often to the extent of being completely unplayable such as vs Arsenal in both league and cup), has scored a few and made a couple of others. I actually think that he's MORE dangerous out on the left - he's extremely two footed (unlike Petrov) which confuses full-backs and gets more space to exploit his lightning turn of pace. I know he's not a long-term option given his injury problems and his age (30?), but as long as he's fit and in this form he has to play out there for me. For him with his attitude and form to be dropped to make way for Robi with his current attitude and form is the kind of managerial decision that could easily cause unrest in the camp and lead to accusations of preferential treatment. We, as a club, should not be in awe of any player, regardless of reputation, given where we're heading. Every player can be replaced so they should all be on their toes.

bellamy wont score 14 goals this season out on the left and my logic behind putting him up front comes from the fact ADE doesnt turn up sometimes and tevez even though he always works hard and can be brilliant sometimes makes me wonder if he's all there in the head and all three are better then santa with there laces tied together so they should be rotated upfront depending on form rather then not being brave enough to drop one so playin one out of position and the same with robbie and petrov on the left depending on form unless like i said before we were looking to hold a fragile lead and needed cover for our left back then and only then do i want too see bellamy played out there and not up front scoring

and im not in awe of robbie, but he is the best player at our club at half pace,people can say thats not true because of his attitude sometime but if we had signed KAKA we would be saying he had a bad attitude and be having the discussion wether irelands hard work or kaka's awesomeness is more important because these brazilian kids are told from the age of like 12 that they are or will be the best player the world has ever seen and they piss brilliance, it wont stop when were winning the CL for the tenth time either look at ronaldo (i no he's not brazilian) but players like that will always have "i dont need you, YOU NEED ME get my damn agent on the phone" diva ass attitudes

[Im_Spartacus]

I think we all have to remember where Robinho came from, and how he ended up her before we start to analyse him

He came here into a team where he wasnt the manager's own signing. He had undoubted talent and for a while last season the manager was able to make him into the best player in the league. What you have to accept - and this is relating to the city team as a whole as opposed to Robinho - the opposition manager worked out how to neutralise him.

By neutralising him last year, it went tits up for about 4/5 months for us

When we worked out how to play and won a few in the new year, they had still worked out how to keep him out of the game, so he was atrocious after xmas and we played most games with 10 men. This season so far is not much different except he hasnt scored as many.

WIthout doubt a great player, without doubt a top top player for us in the first half of last season, but if we could get our money back and get a top player who turned up every week at a world class level, then i'd be happy to see him leave

No doubt he would go on to be the best player the world has ever seen.......but hey ho, we arent Barcelona

[Im_Spartacus]

if i was him and i got subbed id have gone straight down the tunnel, i wouldnt of shook hughes hand either

he's publicly come out and said he wants to stay and i think something he said that is important to the tunnel incident is he wants to play 90 mins EVERY game, he wants to play football basically and anything else is paranoia as far as im concerned

personally i think he was just pissed at hughes for putting out a team with no formation and then taking robbie off (making it seem like it's his fault) when if anything ireland/de jong should have been subbed for petrov, robbie should of gone over to the right so we had 2 wingers and petrov to give abit more cover for sylvinho or simply took one of them off for weiss so we could go to a 4-4-2 formation

i think we need a better manager to get the best out of our players, especially robbie cos he needs a manager he can respect and so do the rest so we never have to watch our team play like that again and as for getting a young player and having bellamy in robbies place, are you serious everyone seems to be forgetting that bellamy is a fucking striker NOT a winger he plays ok there but he's not robinho

This is the kind of respect Robinho gets from a lot of fans and i was putting the question out there: Does he still deserve it? If a less talented player wasn't pulling his weight (think of the shit Gergeous George took), he'd be pilloried from the stands. We need to stop being so thankful that he "loves" us and salvage some pride in my opinion. His reputation internationally is no better than that of Tevez. In fact, he's achieved quite a bit less than Carlos and hasn't had to deal with anything like the same amount of upheaval and non-football-based distractions off the pitch. We've given Tevez a permanent home, a good pay check and a chance to settle and shine and he's thriving in it. Why should we accept any less from Robinho?

Also, I don't buy that it's Hughes' fault. He gave him the start ahead of Petrov in the big game he craved on Wednesday. Even the most steadfast Robinho apologist must have seen that he wasn't interested.

Finally,to say that Robinho is a natural winger is inaccurate. To say that he's more effective for us on the left than Bellamy has been is wildly inaccurate. We're not playing in the Copa America. Nike-advert skills will win us nothing without commitment.

didnt say that robbie is a natural winger and didnt say he's been more effective then bellamy but i am going to now, bellamy is a striker he was only put on the left cos robbie was injured and even though he's really really effective petrov doesnt get a shout most days, BUUUUT look at robbie last season and tell me bellamy is more effective on the left then having robbie there and bellamy upfront where he should be because he's a STRIKER. IMO bellamy should be starting as a striker or coming on as a striker he should be 3rd choice on the wing because he belongs upfront scoring goals MAYBE put him on the left if we've got a fragile lead and need cover for bridge/sylvinho, definately rather see robbie/petrov on the left with bellamy upfront rather then having santa cruz on the pitch EVER

"everyone seems to be forgetting that bellamy is a fucking striker NOT a winger he plays ok there but he's not robinho"

I apologise if you feel I was putting words in your mouth but that quote DOES seem to suggest you were saying that Bellamy isn't a natural winger whereas Robinho is. This season, Bellamy has played on the left and has been in the form of his life so I really don't see a problem with him being played there. He's consistently been a threat (often to the extent of being completely unplayable such as vs Arsenal in both league and cup), has scored a few and made a couple of others. I actually think that he's MORE dangerous out on the left - he's extremely two footed (unlike Petrov) which confuses full-backs and gets more space to exploit his lightning turn of pace. I know he's not a long-term option given his injury problems and his age (30?), but as long as he's fit and in this form he has to play out there for me. For him with his attitude and form to be dropped to make way for Robi with his current attitude and form is the kind of managerial decision that could easily cause unrest in the camp and lead to accusations of preferential treatment. We, as a club, should not be in awe of any player, regardless of reputation, given where we're heading. Every player can be replaced so they should all be on their toes.

bellamy wont score 14 goals this season out on the left and my logic behind putting him up front comes from the fact ADE doesnt turn up sometimes and tevez even though he always works hard and can be brilliant sometimes makes me wonder if he's all there in the head and all three are better then santa with there laces tied together so they should be rotated upfront depending on form rather then not being brave enough to drop one so playin one out of position and the same with robbie and petrov on the left depending on form unless like i said before we were looking to hold a fragile lead and needed cover for our left back then and only then do i want too see bellamy played out there and not up front scoring

and im not in awe of robbie, but he is the best player at our club at half pace,people can say thats not true because of his attitude sometime but if we had signed KAKA we would be saying he had a bad attitude and be having the discussion wether irelands hard work or kaka's awesomeness is more important because these brazilian kids are told from the age of like 12 that they are or will be the best player the world has ever seen and they piss brilliance, it wont stop when were winning the CL for the tenth time either look at ronaldo (i no he's not brazilian) but players like that will always have "i dont need you, YOU NEED ME get my damn agent on the phone" diva ass attitudes

With all respect, you obviously dont know a lot about football if you think that Kaka is anything like Robinho.

Kaka is one of the hardest working players in the world, and his ability is all to dop with hard work and persistency

[the_georgian_genius]

Mark Hughes is showing Robinho alack of respect.