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Barclays Premier League Table

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1
Chelsea
16 7 1 0 23 4 5 0 3 17 9 +27 37
2
Man Utd
15 6 1 0 16 7 5 0 3 18 6 +21 34
3
Arsenal
14 6 0 1 22 7 3 1 3 16 11 +20 28
4
Tottenham
16 5 0 3 21 8 3 3 2 14 14 +13 27
5
Aston Villa
15 5 2 1 16 6 2 3 2 9 8 +11 26
6
Manchester City
15 4 3 0 16 10 2 5 1 13 11 +8 26
7
Liverpool
15 4 2 1 21 8 3 1 4 10 12 +11 24
8
Birmingham
16 4 2 2 6 4 3 1 4 10 12 0 24



Considering our indifferent form we are still very much in the hunt for 4th

We still have only lost once...even in this supposed bad run of draws against inferior opposition

Yet we are still 1 point off 4th with a game in hand

If these 8 draws would have been spread over the first half of the season rather than 7 in a row I think most of us would be happy where we are at this stage of the season

Realism

Saturday, 12 December 2009

Premier League
Home Team Score Away Team Time
Bolton 3-3 Man City FT
(HT 2-2)

* Klasnic 11
* Cahill 43
* Klasnic 53



* Tevez 28
* Richards 45+2
* Tevez 77

Shut the fucl up about our game in hand already!
We have to win it first, and we've failed to win more often than not

Fidel Castro wrote:Shut the fucl up about our game in hand already!
We have to win it first, and we've failed to win more often than not

Ok...take out the game in hand then...we are still only a point from 4th...hardly fucking panic stations is it?

If we cant beat the likes of Bolton, Birmingham, Fulham, Burnley Wigan etc, we will not finish 4th.

CityGer wrote:Realism

Saturday, 12 December 2009

Premier League
Home Team Score Away Team Time
Bolton 3-3 Man City FT
(HT 2-2)

* Klasnic 11
* Cahill 43
* Klasnic 53



* Tevez 28
* Richards 45+2
* Tevez 77

Chelsea 3 - 3 Everton
Spurs 0 - 1 Wolves

We havent scored a goal at Bolton for 5 years, we went behind 3 times and pulled it back every time, unjustly played half an hour with 10 men and had a fucking horrendous decision for their first goal and we are still only 2 points off 3rd. Not to mention that we haven't lost any competitive game in near enough 3 months. Nightmare.

I think we often a bit myopic and look at city's results in isolation. All the draws and some of the performances, when seen only from a city perspective look quite poor. We have dropped 19 points.

When we consider what is going on around us with our rivals...There isn't a lot of difference. Even those clubs above us have had their wobbles. In the past few seasons, results may have gone to form with the top 4 seemingly having their own way. This season, the whole league looks far more competetive with city, Spurs and villa joining the chase and even those teams we consider poor getting some good results.

Chelsea...dropped 11pts
the rags...dropped 11pts
Arsenal....dropped 14pts
Villa.......dropped 19pts
CITY.......dropped 19pts
Spurs......dropped 21pts
L'Pool.....dropped 21pts

Considering the rags are currently playin Villa and L'Pool have Arsenal tomorrow, there will be further dropped points at the top to help our cause to add before the weekends set of games is complete...and at the moment the rags are losing...hahaha.

The number of systems and 'perspectives' used to make our form look better than it is increases by the week.

I laugh at the fact that poor results for our rivals are used as justification for our shit league results over the last two months. It makes it fucking worse in my eyes. Had we not surrendered leads to Fulham, Burnley and Hull and had we managed to defend to lower Premiership standard today, we would be 8 points better off and in a good position. We didn't and are a lot worse off than we could/should have been.

He needs to sort the defence out. He hasn't improved it one bit, despite £50 Mil spent, and that is not acceptable.

john68 wrote:I think we often a bit myopic and look at city's results in isolation. All the draws and some of the performances, when seen only from a city perspective look quite poor. We have dropped 19 points.

When we consider what is going on around us with our rivals...There isn't a lot of difference. Even those clubs above us have had their wobbles. In the past few seasons, results may have gone to form with the top 4 seemingly having their own way. This season, the whole league looks far more competetive with city, Spurs and villa joining the chase and even those teams we consider poor getting some good results.

Chelsea...dropped 11pts
the rags...dropped 11pts
Arsenal....dropped 14pts
Villa.......dropped 19pts
CITY.......dropped 19pts
Spurs......dropped 21pts
L'Pool.....dropped 21pts

Considering the rags are currently playin Villa and L'Pool have Arsenal tomorrow, there will be further dropped points at the top to help our cause to add before the weekends set of games is complete...and at the moment the rags are losing...hahaha.

Good well balanced post as usual John ;-)

CityGer wrote:The number of systems and 'perspectives' used to make our form look better than it is increases by the week.

I laugh at the fact that poor results for our rivals are used as justification for our shit league results over the last two months. It makes it fucking worse in my eyes. Had we not surrendered leads to Fulham, Burnley and Hull and had we managed to defend to lower Premiership standard today, we would be 8 points better off and in a good position. We didn't and are a lot worse off than we could/should have been.

He needs to sort the defence out. He hasn't improved it one bit, despite £50 Mil spent, and that is not acceptable.

CityGer,
For quite a number of seasons, the vast majority of results appear to have gone according to expectation. There have been far fewer results over those years that could have been considered suprises. The top4 were the main beneficiaries and the final league table have shown that.
This season, results would seem to show that on their day, most clubs can beat most others and the League is far more competetive. We have seen quite a lot of results that have seemed outside our normal expectations. Prior to the top4 and their G14 cash, that's how things always were and many different teams were considered capable of even winning the League.
Possibly part of our myopia is the inability to consider that some of the teams we glibly consider "not very good" are in fact a little better than we thought. Do you really think that Bolton today were anything like the poor team that have turned up for most of the season? I thought they aquitted themselves very well, getting into our faces and battling for everything.
If you feel like this about our performances, how would you feel if you were a supporter of Chelsea, the rags, with some of their poor performances. Or the state of Arsenal with their lack of progress. You would be suicidal as a red scouse.
While we can consider that is isn't all good at eastlands...neither is it all bad.

People are pissed off because we shouldnt be thinking about keeping in touch with the top for. We should be 2nd/3rd with very little effort.

The ONLY thing you need to change about this team is get the defence defending football, not some fucking childrens 22 a side game where everyone wants to play upfront!!!

Crossie,
As daft as it seems mate...today when we were 2-3 down and only had 10 men...that frenetic attacking and chucking everything up front worked for us.
As stupid as it sounds, it did turn a defeat into a draw.
I understand that we shouldn't have been in that situation in the 1st place, but when we were, it worked.

john68 wrote:

CityGer wrote:The number of systems and 'perspectives' used to make our form look better than it is increases by the week.

I laugh at the fact that poor results for our rivals are used as justification for our shit league results over the last two months. It makes it fucking worse in my eyes. Had we not surrendered leads to Fulham, Burnley and Hull and had we managed to defend to lower Premiership standard today, we would be 8 points better off and in a good position. We didn't and are a lot worse off than we could/should have been.

He needs to sort the defence out. He hasn't improved it one bit, despite £50 Mil spent, and that is not acceptable.

CityGer,
For quite a number of seasons, the vast majority of results appear to have gone according to expectation. There have been far fewer results over those years that could have been considered suprises. The top4 were the main beneficiaries and the final league table have shown that.
This season, results would seem to show that on their day, most clubs can beat most others and the League is far more competetive. We have seen quite a lot of results that have seemed outside our normal expectations. Prior to the top4 and their G14 cash, that's how things always were and many different teams were considered capable of even winning the League.
Possibly part of our myopia is the inability to consider that some of the teams we glibly consider "not very good" are in fact a little better than we thought. Do you really think that Bolton today were anything like the poor team that have turned up for most of the season? I thought they aquitted themselves very well, getting into our faces and battling for everything.
If you feel like this about our performances, how would you feel if you were a supporter of Chelsea, the rags, with some of their poor performances. Or the state of Arsenal with their lack of progress. You would be suicidal as a red scouse.
While we can consider that is isn't all good at eastlands...neither is it all bad.

The problem is John, even with this more competitive league, there is still a big gap between the top, top teams and the rest. (Namely Chelsea and the rags). Now I don't for a minute expect any blues to be expecting to be beating them easily but I must confess myself disappointed how far adrift we are of them already. We're 11 points off 1st and 12 points away from 18th - where does this leave us over the course of a season - midtable? Like i say this is just another viewpoint on the league and I am happy that we are still in touching distance of 4th, however I feel that it is right to be slightly aggrieved that we still appear a good distance away from 'top team' material.

There are only a handful of board members that had had any expectation of finishing in the top 2 or 3 and maybe only a handful who considered any chance of us actually winning the league.
Most members seemed to expect and be reasonably satisfied with a finish around the top 6 with a top 4 finish as a bonus.
Did those majority of posters expect to finish between 4th and 6th without having any bad days? Its the bad days that limit a finish as low as that.
We are on course for a finish around 4th-5th if present form is continued (not mid table), so things are as most would have expected.
I understand that we are always going to be disappointed by the bad days but it is what comes with that finishing position, so why seem so suprised.
The fact is that both Chelsea and the rags have only dropped 8pts less than us, Arsenal only 5 and after this weekend, those figures could have improved from our perspective. We are equal with Villa (who are still playing) and 2pts ahead of Spurs in the dropped points table.
Are things really that bad?

john68 wrote:

CityGer wrote:The number of systems and 'perspectives' used to make our form look better than it is increases by the week.

I laugh at the fact that poor results for our rivals are used as justification for our shit league results over the last two months. It makes it fucking worse in my eyes. Had we not surrendered leads to Fulham, Burnley and Hull and had we managed to defend to lower Premiership standard today, we would be 8 points better off and in a good position. We didn't and are a lot worse off than we could/should have been.

He needs to sort the defence out. He hasn't improved it one bit, despite £50 Mil spent, and that is not acceptable.

CityGer,
For quite a number of seasons, the vast majority of results appear to have gone according to expectation. There have been far fewer results over those years that could have been considered suprises. The top4 were the main beneficiaries and the final league table have shown that.
This season, results would seem to show that on their day, most clubs can beat most others and the League is far more competetive. We have seen quite a lot of results that have seemed outside our normal expectations. Prior to the top4 and their G14 cash, that's how things always were and many different teams were considered capable of even winning the League.
Possibly part of our myopia is the inability to consider that some of the teams we glibly consider "not very good" are in fact a little better than we thought. Do you really think that Bolton today were anything like the poor team that have turned up for most of the season? I thought they aquitted themselves very well, getting into our faces and battling for everything.
If you feel like this about our performances, how would you feel if you were a supporter of Chelsea, the rags, with some of their poor performances. Or the state of Arsenal with their lack of progress. You would be suicidal as a red scouse.
While we can consider that is isn't all good at eastlands...neither is it all bad.

There's no doubt that the league is closer than it has ever been or that team's up their game when facing us.

The fact is, (stronger league or not, more effort by the opposition or not) defensive frailties and basic errors in the last third have cost us dearly, continue to cost us and I see no signs of improvement.

This can be spun in all sorts of ways but the fact is, we are a soft touch, and we continue to pegged back because of it.

People can talk about perspective and relative positions all they like, we have thrown away the chance to be in a great position through being poorly organised, poorly disciplined and by lacking in nouse.

john68 wrote:There are only a handful of board members that had had any expectation of finishing in the top 2 or 3 and maybe only a handful who considered any chance of us actually winning the league.
Most members seemed to expect and be reasonably satisfied with a finish around the top 6 with a top 4 finish as a bonus.
Did those majority of posters expect to finish between 4th and 6th without having any bad days? Its the bad days that limit a finish as low as that.
We are on course for a finish around 4th-5th if present form is continued (not mid table), so things are as most would have expected.
I understand that we are always going to be disappointed by the bad days but it is what comes with that finishing position, so why seem so suprised.
The fact is that both Chelsea and the rags have only dropped 8pts less than us, Arsenal only 5 and after this weekend, those figures could have improved from our perspective. We are equal with Villa (who are still playing) and 2pts ahead of Spurs in the dropped points table.
Are things really that bad?

Blue tinted specs mate, 11 points from the last 27 is nearer relegation form than top 6, never mind mid table.

CityGer,
I agree with everything you say about our mistakes costing us points and a much higher league position. I also agree that we have some severe defensive frailties that need to be addressed and I agree too that today's result doesn't show any improvement in our defensive frailties.
But the fact remains that after 15 games, we are where most of us expected City to be. In fact, because of the poor results of our nearest rivals, we are probably at the top end of where we expected to be.
We have another transfer window opening shortly and there is every reason to believe that City will strengthen our defence.
Without spinning it negatively or positively, we are not in a bad position. We remain in striking distance of the top.

Ill say it again, its the manner of how we've got to where we are now.

Its the torture of being a midgets dick away from winning alot of these drawn games, especially the ones where we lead and then draw.

Its the fact we have thrown away 3 points more often than we have been behind and drawn.

Expectations SHOULD BE HIGH, we should beat Bolton, home and away and we should be top 4 RIGHT NOW.

We should not trying to justify how we are doing ok, only x points from 4th, barely keeping intouch etc, that attitude is weak, we as fans need to expect more from these players, and our job is to get behind them even more than ever before, they need our help now more than then did when we were yoyo-ing.

This season is a great chance to leap frog our direct rivals as they keep fucking up too. I dont want Europa league shit next season, its not good enough, i want a cup and the champions league, because I want to attract a brand new quality of player to this club while we have the money.

Richards, Toure, Lescott Bridge, will not win us the Champions League, but by merely getting into it, we open doors to much much higher quality players THEN we can take on the Premier League

john68 wrote:CityGer,
I agree with everything you say about our mistakes costing us points and a much higher league position. I also agree that we have some severe defensive frailties that need to be addressed and I agree too that today's result doesn't show any improvement in our defensive frailties.
But the fact remains that after 15 games, we are where most of us expected City to be. In fact, because of the poor results of our nearest rivals, we are probably at the top end of where we expected to be.
We have another transfer window opening shortly and there is every reason to believe that City will strengthen our defence.
Without spinning it negatively or positively, we are not in a bad position. We remain in striking distance of the top.

John, it appears we agree on most things. I hope that I don't come across as being impatient and greedy to you, (my old man is the same age as you and says he's never had it as good. I agree), I just get frustrated with the fact that week in, week out, we have failed to capitalise on the numerous opportunities we have had to make ground/over take our rivals.

Bunch of miserable cunts.

Really and truely I can't understand why some of you carry on so ridiculously spoilt.

Always pointing out that we won't finish in the top four if we can't beat Bolton/other shitty teams. Who cares if the points we pick up are against the harder sides. We didn't beat Bolton but we fucking beat Chelsea. 4 points from those games and whether or not some of you want to discount our game in hand, tough shit - it is a fact that we have played a game less and it is a fact that we are a point off fourth.

Its fucking pathetic that you harp on and on and on about an individual disappointment and try to make out that our season is in decline. Do you learn nothing as this season goes along, no? Absolutely fucking nothing.

Now Chelsea have drawn at home today (worse result than ours), United have lost AGAIN (worse result than ours). Spurs have lost at home (worse result than ours).

But these three teams have also had some very good performances, just like we fucking have. And that's why we are ALL still in the mix.

Like it says in the title, grow a fucking pair and get some fucking PERSPECTIVE. You are City fans, stop whinging like you're used to fucking winning everything and this season is a disappointment.

For FUCK SAKE.