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...and we were in our current run of form, would the people currently calling for the managers head call for Hiddink's head too? I seriousy doubt it

Am just really interested in finding out the reasoning behind the abuse hurled towards the current manager at the end of the Hull game (along with the online insults that have followed). The reason I ask is that the "dirty rag/munich" insuts seem to die out when we play well, but be the first thing to be called upon when we don't.

Is it because you are gutted the team is not playing well, or kind of happy that it gives you an excuse to get rid of Hughes?

I heard an opposing player who in the scheme of things didnt bring great things to our club (Giovanni) receive more applause on saturday than our manager EVER has. What does this say about us city fans? We seem to have a real identity and priorites problem.

How long would Hiddink have had in this scenario to get it right? A year and a half? Same budget?

It would probably be 'fuck off you dyke building clog wearing dope head' but the essence would essentially be the same.

Hiddinck - proven at this level

Hughes - proven at Blackburn level

Thats the difference, we have a pretty good idea that Hiddink is good enough, no proof whatsoever that Hughes can, in fact quite the opposite.

OliverHardy wrote:...and we were in our current run of form, would the people currently calling for the managers head call for Hiddink's head too? I seriousy doubt it

Am just really interested in finding out the reasoning behind the abuse hurled towards the current manager at the end of the Hull game (along with the online insults that have followed). The reason I ask is that the "dirty rag/munich" insuts seem to die out when we play well, but be the first thing to be called upon when we don't.

Is it because you are gutted the team is not playing well, or kind of happy that it gives you an excuse to get rid of Hughes?

I heard an opposing player who in the scheme of things didnt bring great things to our club (Giovanni) receive more applause on saturday than our manager EVER has. What does this say about us city fans? We seem to have a real identity and priorites problem.

Its because after 18 months and £200m spent we still cant beat bottom half teams, we are only 2 places higher than we finished under Sven, we are not in Europe, we have not found a formation or even a regular first team and we are playing absolutely shite.

If I performed like this at my work I would not be in my job!!

I disagree with the OP Ollie, because I think, with those same players, if Hiddinck had done 3 crappy home draws (not so bothered about the away ones), any fans would be after him too.

In that sense the manager is irrelevant. SCUM fans would be howling for Fergie's head, as the little dears have before.

Blue2 wrote:Hiddinck - proven at this level

Hughes - proven at Blackburn level

Thats the difference, we have a pretty good idea that Hiddink is good enough, no proof whatsoever that Hughes can, in fact quite the opposite.

This is exactly it mate Hughes has never proven his worth. He has made some shocking buys and although I am certainly not one of these people a few hold the fact he was a Rag against him still. He really hasn't done anything to stand out and say "Look I am the right man for the job" in fact he hasn't come near it.

Vhero wrote:

Blue2 wrote:Hiddinck - proven at this level

Hughes - proven at Blackburn level

Thats the difference, we have a pretty good idea that Hiddink is good enough, no proof whatsoever that Hughes can, in fact quite the opposite.

This is exactly it mate Hughes has never proven his worth. He has made some shocking buys and although I am certainly not one of these people a few hold the fact he was a Rag against him still. He really hasn't done anything to stand out and say "Look I am the right man for the job" in fact he hasn't come near it.

Hold on hold on.... who has he bought that has played at least a half a season that you consider to be "shocking"?

Hughes has a lot of critics at the momemt and rightly so in some aspects, but the one thing that can definitely be said for him is his ability to operate in the transfer market. Every manager will sign some bad players from time to time, but I would argue that even if we do have to change managers, the players he has bought are almost all very good players (obviously TBH, Jo exceptions).

So I think you're probably pointing the finger at the likes of RSC who hasn't been given a chance yet... or worse still Tevez or Barry... or both...

Actually, just put me out of my misery and tell me who these "shocking" players are?

As for the OP - Any top four challenging manager who draws his last 3 home games will be under pressure, so Hiddink would be in the same boat. That said, I think there is more excitement when we don't win from the doom and gloomers that I don't think would be as venomous if it wasn't Hughes.

Vhero wrote:He really hasn't done anything to stand out and say "Look I am the right man for the job" in fact he hasn't come near it.

Exactly! The sheikh is obviously a very intelligent shrewd business man, but I know I would not hire someone to look after my business without a PROVEN track record of doing exactly what I wanted to achieve, which is why I am left scratching my head with the Hughes situation?

Yes yes, people will say nothing happens overnight, but come on, over £200 million spent and he still cant see Hull off?

I must agree that we as fans would be exactly the same about whichever manager was in charge, but I cant help but feel we wouldn't be in this position with any other manager?

gilford wrote:

Vhero wrote:He really hasn't done anything to stand out and say "Look I am the right man for the job" in fact he hasn't come near it.

Exactly! The sheikh is obviously a very intelligent shrewd business man, but I know I would not hire someone to look after my business without a PROVEN track record of doing exactly what I wanted to achieve, which is why I am left scratching my head with the Hughes situation?

Yes yes, people will say nothing happens overnight, but come on, over £200 million spent and he still cant see Hull off?

I must agree that we as fans would be exactly the same about whichever manager was in charge, but I cant help but feel we wouldn't be in this position with any other manager?

Unfortunately there isn't a list of managers that are proven to be capable of turning a midtable team into a top four team in the prem. While I have no doubt the likes of Mourinho and Hiddink would bring further success to the club WHEN we get into the top four, I'm not sure how good they'd actually be at taking on the undoubted hassle of turning a team into winners and building a club from the bottom up.

If I knew for a fact that getting rid of Hughes was for the good of City, I'd say it in an instant, but only if we had a guy to come in and build for the next few years... unfortunately, Hiddink probably only has a few years left and Mourinho's brand of football depresses me.

Original Dub wrote:

gilford wrote:

Vhero wrote:He really hasn't done anything to stand out and say "Look I am the right man for the job" in fact he hasn't come near it.

Exactly! The sheikh is obviously a very intelligent shrewd business man, but I know I would not hire someone to look after my business without a PROVEN track record of doing exactly what I wanted to achieve, which is why I am left scratching my head with the Hughes situation?

Yes yes, people will say nothing happens overnight, but come on, over £200 million spent and he still cant see Hull off?

I must agree that we as fans would be exactly the same about whichever manager was in charge, but I cant help but feel we wouldn't be in this position with any other manager?

Unfortunately there isn't a list of managers that are proven to be capable of turning a midtable team into a top four team in the prem. While I have no doubt the likes of Mourinho and Hiddink would bring further success to the club WHEN we get into the top four, I'm not sure how good they'd actually be at taking on the undoubted hassle of turning a team into winners and building a club from the bottom up.

If I knew for a fact that getting rid of Hughes was for the good of City, I'd say it in an instant, but only if we had a guy to come in and build for the next few years... unfortunately, Hiddink probably only has a few years left and Mourinho's brand of football depresses me.

Seven draws on the trot against, mainly, shit opposition depresses me more mate, give me wins and trophies any time.

OliverHardy wrote:...and we were in our current run of form, would the people currently calling for the managers head call for Hiddink's head too? I seriousy doubt it

Am just really interested in finding out the reasoning behind the abuse hurled towards the current manager at the end of the Hull game (along with the online insults that have followed). The reason I ask is that the "dirty rag/munich" insuts seem to die out when we play well, but be the first thing to be called upon when we don't.

Is it because you are gutted the team is not playing well, or kind of happy that it gives you an excuse to get rid of Hughes?

I heard an opposing player who in the scheme of things didnt bring great things to our club (Giovanni) receive more applause on saturday than our manager EVER has. What does this say about us city fans? We seem to have a real identity and priorites problem.

Your judgement of seriously doubting that Hiddink would get called shows how flawed your thinking can be in supporting the clueless one.

Im so confused I think i might switch to Rugby Union.

Am I missing something? Didn't Hiddink take a relatively strong (or maybe heavily favored) Russian team and miss the final 32? Don't get my wrong, I am not thrilled with MH, but to canonize Hiddink and declare him the answer, doesn't make me feel any better.

I rather wait until the off-season and look at ALL options that will be out there.

I'll try and make myself a bit simpler to understand:)
Whoever was in charge of our club if they served up the same shit as the clueless one they'd get abuse of me.

Blue2 wrote:

Original Dub wrote:

gilford wrote:

Vhero wrote:He really hasn't done anything to stand out and say "Look I am the right man for the job" in fact he hasn't come near it.

Exactly! The sheikh is obviously a very intelligent shrewd business man, but I know I would not hire someone to look after my business without a PROVEN track record of doing exactly what I wanted to achieve, which is why I am left scratching my head with the Hughes situation?

Yes yes, people will say nothing happens overnight, but come on, over £200 million spent and he still cant see Hull off?

I must agree that we as fans would be exactly the same about whichever manager was in charge, but I cant help but feel we wouldn't be in this position with any other manager?

Unfortunately there isn't a list of managers that are proven to be capable of turning a midtable team into a top four team in the prem. While I have no doubt the likes of Mourinho and Hiddink would bring further success to the club WHEN we get into the top four, I'm not sure how good they'd actually be at taking on the undoubted hassle of turning a team into winners and building a club from the bottom up.

If I knew for a fact that getting rid of Hughes was for the good of City, I'd say it in an instant, but only if we had a guy to come in and build for the next few years... unfortunately, Hiddink probably only has a few years left and Mourinho's brand of football depresses me.

Seven draws on the trot against, mainly, shit opposition depresses me more mate, give me wins and trophies any time.

I don't like drawing games either mate, particularly ones where we deserved to win.

But I'm not in the "give me trophies and wins any time" camp. Although there are spells when we hoof the ball, I do believe its down to a slight lack of confidence as the team continues to learn how to play to each other's strenghts and for the most part I think we play the game in the right way, ie attacking, passing football... and if it takes a year or two more to learn how to win this way, in the long run I would rather wait, because while I understand some watch and support football purely for the winning, I watch it for the 'beauty' of the game and I think its possible to have both.

Whether Hughes can deliver that, I don't know mate, but I don't think there's an awful lot wrong with the team itself that one win won't completely change. Individual mistakes at the back that I have to say seem to have all but been put to bed in the last two games... have been replaced with missed oppotunities upfront... its just one more click and it wouldn't suprise me to see us go on a great run.

If it doesn't happen he will be replaced of course, but I just hope its with a young manager that has his teams playing football the way I love to see it played.

One way or the other, I'll be right behind whoever is in charge.

He is recognised for winning the European treble (Eredivisie, Dutch Cup and European Cup) with PSV Eindhoven; leading South Korea to a fourth place finish in the 2002 FIFA World Cup; managing the Netherlands into the same position in the 1998 FIFA World Cup, losing to eventual runner-up Brazil on penalties; leading Australia to the second round at the 2006 FIFA World Cup, their first appearance in the tournament for 32 years; leading Russia to the semi-finals of Euro 2008, Russia's best performance since the breakup of the Soviet Union; and reviving Chelsea by winning the FA Cup in 2009 against Everton.

Hiddinks record as a manager is second to none in getting under-achieving and unfashionable teams trophies and into finals. he would definately do a job for us and i'm sure he would bring some much wanted silverware to City. He would also be given time if things went the way they are going now if he was in charge as his track record holds water and he has proved he can deliver. Unfortunately i think for Hughes the size of the City job has come too soon for him at this time in his career. He is out of his depth.

OliverHardy wrote:...and we were in our current run of form, would the people currently calling for the managers head call for Hiddink's head too? I seriousy doubt it

Am just really interested in finding out the reasoning behind the abuse hurled towards the current manager at the end of the Hull game (along with the online insults that have followed). The reason I ask is that the "dirty rag/munich" insuts seem to die out when we play well, but be the first thing to be called upon when we don't.

Is it because you are gutted the team is not playing well, or kind of happy that it gives you an excuse to get rid of Hughes?

I heard an opposing player who in the scheme of things didnt bring great things to our club (Giovanni) receive more applause on saturday than our manager EVER has. What does this say about us city fans? We seem to have a real identity and priorites problem.

Probably not. Then again Hiddink has history of success which Hughes doesn't have so it would be fair right?

What I don't understand is WHY people should show their appreciation to Hughes? What has he done for the club? Absolutely nothing so far. You have to earn respect.

I personally feel it's you who has identity and priorities problems when you want people to be cheering underachieving manager.

Fish111 wrote:He is recognised for winning the European treble (Eredivisie, Dutch Cup and European Cup) with PSV Eindhoven; leading South Korea to a fourth place finish in the 2002 FIFA World Cup; managing the Netherlands into the same position in the 1998 FIFA World Cup, losing to eventual runner-up Brazil on penalties; leading Australia to the second round at the 2006 FIFA World Cup, their first appearance in the tournament for 32 years; leading Russia to the semi-finals of Euro 2008, Russia's best performance since the breakup of the Soviet Union; and reviving Chelsea by winning the FA Cup in 2009 against Everton.

Hiddinks record as a manager is second to none in getting under-achieving and unfashionable teams trophies and into finals. he would definately do a job for us and i'm sure he would bring some much wanted silverware to City. He would also be given time if things went the way they are going now if he was in charge as his track record holds water and he has proved he can deliver. Unfortunately i think for Hughes the size of the City job has come too soon for him at this time in his career. He is out of his depth.

Totally agree, Hiddink built the expectation that Russia had, they are a below average side, lets face it they didnt go to Germany either when (I think) Yuri Semin was in charge?

Hiddink can be judged as a manager by his past record as he has a resume that most owners would cream over, Hughes cant be judged on anything because he's spent a long time acheiving nothing for 2 clubs and country!!

I don't think Hiddink is any better than Hughes. He's won a few trophies in an easier league, who's to say Hughes couldn't? Pretty sure most managers worth their salt would've beaten Slovinia too.

Are the same people who want Hiddink the same people who said Sven was "too old" and had "lost his ambition"? Why does this not apply to Hiddink?

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Hughes is the answer, but I have no idea why people think Hiddink is. He's only being touted because he's 'someone else' imo.

LookMumI'mOnMCF.net wrote:I don't think Hiddink is any better than Hughes. He's won a few trophies in an easier league, who's to say Hughes couldn't? Pretty sure most managers worth their salt would've beaten Slovinia too.

Are the same people who want Hiddink the same people who said Sven was "too old" and had "lost his ambition"? Why does this not apply to Hiddink?

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Hughes is the answer, but I have no idea why people think Hiddink is. He's only being touted because he's 'someone else' imo.

That's the problem. No one knows! Hughes is still on his early steps in his managerial career and tactically looks like deer caught in the headlights on many occasions. The way we are as a club now, this is no place to learn the ropes. In future they (our managers) hopefully are top of the business people who have long experience of different sort of situations.

I disagree why Hiddink is touted by the way? I was saying we should try and get him when Sven got the boot.