Kneeling

[Mase]

Shameful thread this. An embarrassment to the club

No it is not, in a democracy people should be free to debate issues in a respectful manner, failure to allow such debates was a favourite of a guy in Germany in the 1930’s and that didn’t end well did it

Jacob Reece Mogg ?

Adolf Schicklgruber Was his name, never heard of Reece Mogg is he Welsh?

No Jacob Reece Mogg is definitely a Nazi .

Who’s Jacob Reece Mogg??

[Mase]

We have to be careful how this is taught as I would not like a woke 'cancel culture' type teacher brain washing students otherwise we will have a nation of kids scared to say anything for fear of upsetting someone

There needs to be a common sense approach to teaching children that its wrong to do A B and C - how this is implemented is up to the education authority.

Well therein lies the problem. Most of us teachers are biased to the left. I'm a lefty and rather woke but I keep my opinions to myself in the classroom, even when 'teaching' my form group cancel culture, democracy etc via slides created by a 3rd party provider (which is biased towards left wing sources).

I've seen BLM delivered in assembly, wel intentioned but inaccurately delivered, biased. I've heard kids saying they are sick of having it rammed down their throats. As kids get older, they question authority, they quite rightly question the opinions that woke muddle class people throw at them.

And there are some absolute nutcases in education, including teacher trainers.

Its so difficult to get right

My worry with the BLM kneeling is exactly that - it’s not giving people a choice, it’s saying “you have to kneel if you’re a footballer”. Doing this is going to cause more diversity imo.

I’d rather each week they do a different race/culture and educate us on them.

[Blue Jam]

I'd rather they just got on with the game.
If they do a different virtue signal each game, people will get annoyed by it.
This week we had rainbow kacws and captain ark bands, kneeling, last week Diego Maradona, we've had NHS logos on shirts.
I approve of anti racism, NHS, and gas rights, I find footballers doing all this stuff very patronising.
If I was racist, homophobic etc... I doubt a footballer could persuade me otherwise by kneeling or wearing rainbow laces.

[carl_feedthegoat]

We have to be careful how this is taught as I would not like a woke 'cancel culture' type teacher brain washing students otherwise we will have a nation of kids scared to say anything for fear of upsetting someone

There needs to be a common sense approach to teaching children that its wrong to do A B and C - how this is implemented is up to the education authority.

Well therein lies the problem. Most of us teachers are biased to the left. I'm a lefty and rather woke but I keep my opinions to myself in the classroom, even when 'teaching' my form group cancel culture, democracy etc via slides created by a 3rd party provider (which is biased towards left wing sources).

I've seen BLM delivered in assembly, wel intentioned but inaccurately delivered, biased. I've heard kids saying they are sick of having it rammed down their throats. As kids get older, they question authority, they quite rightly question the opinions that woke muddle class people throw at them.

And there are some absolute nutcases in education, including teacher trainers.

Its so difficult to get right

What would you suggest - if you were the ultimate authority ?

[Mase]

I'd rather they just got on with the game.
If they do a different virtue signal each game, people will get annoyed by it.
This week we had rainbow kacws and captain ark bands, kneeling, last week Diego Maradona, we've had NHS logos on shirts.
I approve of anti racism, NHS, and gas rights, I find footballers doing all this stuff very patronising.
If I was racist, homophobic etc... I doubt a footballer could persuade me otherwise by kneeling or wearing rainbow laces.

Agree completely. I just don’t think the authorities need to virtue signal is going away anytime soon.

[Beefymcfc]

I knelt once.

[Tokyo Blue]

I knelt once.

I hope she said yes.

[Blue Jam]

I knelt once.

I hope you removed your dentures first

[Mase]

I knelt once.

Did you report it to the police?

[Mase]

Millwall players will not take a knee before Tuesday's Championship fixture against QPR but will stand arm-in-arm in a "show of solidarity for football's fight against discrimination".

It comes after some Millwall fans booed the players taking a knee before Saturday's defeat by Derby at The Den.


No it’s doesn’t QPR, and specifically Les Ferdinand, said months ago that taking the knee is pointless and they stopped doing it.

Queens Park Rangers director of football Les Ferdinand says the impact of taking a knee "has been diluted".

QPR and Coventry City did not carry out the gesture in support of the Black Lives Matter movement before their Championship match on Friday.

"The message has been lost. It is now not dissimilar to a fancy hashtag or a nice pin badge," Ferdinand said in a statement on the club website.

"Taking the knee will not bring about change in the game - actions will."

[Harry Dowd scored]

I think there should be some sort signal before each game, sporting event, film, soap opera, the nine o’clock news to acknowledge the injustice of the following -:

The exploitation of the white working classes during and indeed after the industrial revolution.
The deportation to Australia of mostly poor white people in the early 18th century.
The victims of the Peterloo massacre
The Tolpuddle Martyrs
The oppression of the early Chartist/trade union founders
The press ganging into the navy/armed forces of working class men
The disgraceful treatment of white poor people during the 18/19th century’s that resulted in many working till death in work houses just to enable them to eat.

The above while nor exhaustive is a clear example of horrendous treatment of our forefathers, I will wager there are those on here that do not even know about half of what I have mentioned
, clear indication of left wing social engineering/indoctrination of children in what covers for our education system.

[belleebee]

I think there should be some sort signal before each game, sporting event, film, soap opera, the nine o’clock news to acknowledge the injustice of the following -:

The exploitation of the white working classes during and indeed after the industrial revolution.
The deportation to Australia of mostly poor white people in the early 18th century.
The victims of the Peterloo massacre
The Tolpuddle Martyrs
The oppression of the early Chartist/trade union founders
The press ganging into the navy/armed forces of working class men
The disgraceful treatment of white poor people during the 18/19th century’s that resulted in many working till death in work houses just to enable them to eat.

The above while nor exhaustive is a clear example of horrendous treatment of our forefathers, I will wager there are those on here that do not even know about half of what I have mentioned
, clear indication of left wing social engineering/indoctrination of children in what covers for our education system.

Genuine question: why on earth would anyone attempting to implement 'left wing social engineering/indoctrination' wish to supress knowledge of the matters you list; each one (other than press ganging, possibly) is a cause celebre for what you might refer to as 'the left wing' (though I'd call people with a social conscience).

[Harry Dowd scored]

I think there should be some sort signal before each game, sporting event, film, soap opera, the nine o’clock news to acknowledge the injustice of the following -:

The exploitation of the white working classes during and indeed after the industrial revolution.
The deportation to Australia of mostly poor white people in the early 18th century.
The victims of the Peterloo massacre
The Tolpuddle Martyrs
The oppression of the early Chartist/trade union founders
The press ganging into the navy/armed forces of working class men
The disgraceful treatment of white poor people during the 18/19th century’s that resulted in many working till death in work houses just to enable them to eat.

The above while nor exhaustive is a clear example of horrendous treatment of our forefathers, I will wager there are those on here that do not even know about half of what I have mentioned
, clear indication of left wing social engineering/indoctrination of children in what covers for our education system.

Genuine question: why on earth would anyone attempting to implement 'left wing social engineering/indoctrination' wish to supress knowledge of the matters you list; each one (other than press ganging, possibly) is a cause celebre for what you might refer to as 'the left wing' (though I'd call people with a social conscience).

I will get my tonge out of my cheek to answer your “genuine question”
The whole point of the left wing is to airbrush white oppression from history because it does not suit the current narrative, indeed many hard lefties would deem as racist the issues I have raised, for example it is deemed racist to say all lives matter, because to do so would dilute the issues raised by BLM. The ethos in today’s “education system” is to teach what to think, not how to think.

The very fact you end your post with the left are people with a social conscience says it all sadly. Just for information I have no allegiance to any political party and have not voted for thirty years. I follow the mantra that if voting changed anything it would be banned.

[belleebee]

I think there should be some sort signal before each game, sporting event, film, soap opera, the nine o’clock news to acknowledge the injustice of the following -:

The exploitation of the white working classes during and indeed after the industrial revolution.
The deportation to Australia of mostly poor white people in the early 18th century.
The victims of the Peterloo massacre
The Tolpuddle Martyrs
The oppression of the early Chartist/trade union founders
The press ganging into the navy/armed forces of working class men
The disgraceful treatment of white poor people during the 18/19th century’s that resulted in many working till death in work houses just to enable them to eat.

The above while nor exhaustive is a clear example of horrendous treatment of our forefathers, I will wager there are those on here that do not even know about half of what I have mentioned
, clear indication of left wing social engineering/indoctrination of children in what covers for our education system.

Genuine question: why on earth would anyone attempting to implement 'left wing social engineering/indoctrination' wish to supress knowledge of the matters you list; each one (other than press ganging, possibly) is a cause celebre for what you might refer to as 'the left wing' (though I'd call people with a social conscience).

I will get my tonge out of my cheek to answer your “genuine question”
The whole point of the left wing is to airbrush white oppression from history because it does not suit the current narrative, indeed many hard lefties would deem as racist the issues I have raised, for example it is deemed racist to say all lives matter, because to do so would dilute the issues raised by BLM. The ethos in today’s “education system” is to teach what to think, not how to think.

The very fact you end your post with the left are people with a social conscience says it all sadly. Just for information I have no allegiance to any political party and have not voted for thirty years. I follow the mantra that if voting changed anything it would be banned.

In fact, you haven't answered my question at all, which was why would anyone with left-leaning tendencies wish to 'airbush' events that are central to British working class history. The fact is that such airbrushing has been the almost exclusive preserve of the British establishment for the past 250 years. Also, where did I say 'the left are people with a social conscience': that would not be my view at all if you interpret that as saying the two are equivalent. The phrase you refer to actually related to your loose use of the term 'left wing' which seems to be a catch all for any social or political view that you disagree with and seems to reflect more the influence of Donald Trump's various pronouncements than any serious knowledge of the roots of left wing politics in Britain. Finally, on the more general tenor of your original post, it doesn't make any sense at all to draw a dichotomy betweeen recognition of the wrongs inflicted historically on the British working class and sympathy with the issues that underlie the BLM movement.

Anyway, this is all pretty deep stuff: perhaps all of us should stick to discussing football, particularly the one thing we all have in common - City.

[carl_feedthegoat]

I think there should be some sort signal before each game, sporting event, film, soap opera, the nine o’clock news to acknowledge the injustice of the following -:

The exploitation of the white working classes during and indeed after the industrial revolution.
The deportation to Australia of mostly poor white people in the early 18th century.
The victims of the Peterloo massacre
The Tolpuddle Martyrs
The oppression of the early Chartist/trade union founders
The press ganging into the navy/armed forces of working class men
The disgraceful treatment of white poor people during the 18/19th century’s that resulted in many working till death in work houses just to enable them to eat.

The above while nor exhaustive is a clear example of horrendous treatment of our forefathers, I will wager there are those on here that do not even know about half of what I have mentioned
, clear indication of left wing social engineering/indoctrination of children in what covers for our education system.

Genuine question: why on earth would anyone attempting to implement 'left wing social engineering/indoctrination' wish to supress knowledge of the matters you list; each one (other than press ganging, possibly) is a cause celebre for what you might refer to as 'the left wing' (though I'd call people with a social conscience).

I will get my tonge out of my cheek to answer your “genuine question”
The whole point of the left wing is to airbrush white oppression from history because it does not suit the current narrative, indeed many hard lefties would deem as racist the issues I have raised, for example it is deemed racist to say all lives matter, because to do so would dilute the issues raised by BLM. The ethos in today’s “education system” is to teach what to think, not how to think.

The very fact you end your post with the left are people with a social conscience says it all sadly. Just for information I have no allegiance to any political party and have not voted for thirty years. I follow the mantra that if voting changed anything it would be banned.

Anyway, this is all pretty deep stuff: perhaps all of us should stick to discussing football, particularly the one thing we all have in common - City.

We are all trying to focus on football but the football authorities are ensuring we don't.

[Mase]

Anyway, this is all pretty deep stuff: perhaps all of us should stick to discussing football, particularly the one thing we all have in common - City.

That’s the problem - we’re not allowed to use football as a way of escaping “real life” anymore. It’s all about politics.

[City64]

No it is not, in a democracy people should be free to debate issues in a respectful manner, failure to allow such debates was a favourite of a guy in Germany in the 1930’s and that didn’t end well did it

Jacob Reece Mogg ?

Adolf Schicklgruber Was his name, never heard of Reece Mogg is he Welsh?

No Jacob Reece Mogg is definitely a Nazi .

Who’s Jacob Reece Mogg??

Rees
My bad .

[Mase]

Who’s Jacob Reece Mogg??

Rees
My bad .

He looks like a right smarmy gimp.

[City64]

Every single thing that happens in the Uk nowadays is political, even sport . This is the world we live in today unfortunately, it has been manufactured this way by politicians ( lying bullshitters) and the media . Anyone who doesn’t realise this is burying their head in the sand unfortunately.

[City64]

Who’s Jacob Reece Mogg??

Rees
My bad .

He looks like a right smarmy gimp.

Smarmy extremely powerful rich lying Nazi gimp yes indeed.