Mancini Poll

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Stay or Go

Mancini should stay because I want stability
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Mancini should stay because I want Mancini
27
17%
Mancini should go
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby ruralblue » Mon May 13, 2013 8:19 am

My thoughts are changing the more I sit and potter about this. Maybe a change is needed. We have the squad in fact we have a squad most managers would give their right arm for. Maybe a happy squad will be the mass difderence. Also if this Isco kid comes then maybe little Dave having someone to challenge his place will work dividends for us. Same if there is maybe a challenge for Yaya or at least someone who dare to sub him on the games he isnt setting the world on fire.

I voted the stability option but seeing as we should have pushed on from last year then maybe a change is needed.

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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby mcfc1632 » Mon May 13, 2013 8:33 am

I would echo the views that TB has expressed.

I would only make a change if there was a clearly better mangerial candidate out there. I certaily do not include Mourinho in that category - he is one of the last people I would ever wish to see at the Etihad unless it was in the away dressing room.

I cannot see that clearly better candidate and would suggest that Mancini be given more time.

For me he has had to address the grossly incompetnent spending and recruitment strategy of Hughes and weed out a lot of dross (accepted that a number of Hughes' signing have also turned out to be excellent - but the weeding still had to be done).

Then the changes to the rules undermines him completing his squad with the players that were his targets - he should have been backed but we are already seeing the impact of FFPR - so he gets lumbered with some makeweights and has to deal with that as well.

Along the way he wins the cup gets to another final and wins the league.

I would really like to see him backed and allowed to bring in the 2,3 or 4 players that will complete 'his squad' rather than see some other manager unproven in the PL coming in to 'have a go' based on them being successful in a league which is very different to the PL.

When you consider the number of managers at PL clubs that have come from other leagues to manage in the PL - who has been more successful than Mancini? There certainly have been a lot of failures.

A new unproven manager would likely lead to a need to change 7+ players causing all sorts of further issues with FFPR - we really could stagnate for a number of years if the gamble (and that is what it would be) did not work immediately.

For me the stability that can evolve the squad and an individual's focussed attitude (which Mancini certainly has) is a far better option.
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby Clowncrete » Mon May 13, 2013 11:55 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Clowncrete wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Superbia wrote:Mancini is a poor manager get over it


I honestly have no idea when you started following City but after watching the complete fucking clowns like Ball, Coppell, Hughes, Clark etc running the show one time or another, I would never make retarded comment like that. Did he fail this season? Yeah. Did I expect more from players this year? Yeah. Did I expect us to win the cup? Yeah. But I would never ever call feller who has won us league title and FA cup 'poor manager'.

I also find the people expecting Pellegrini hilarious. They have no idea what sort of third rate manager we are talking about.


I wouldn't call Pellegrini third rate. He may not be the best manager but third rate?


I would and if we had this guy I fear vast majority would agree by christmas.
People will point out him bringing Villareal and Mallorca record setting seasons. Point they are handily forgetting is that both cases he took over team who all of the sudden had tons of money to spend. What has he ever won though? Ten years in Europe running teams with lot of money to spend and he has fuck all to show for it. Fuck all.

In Real they gave him Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Karim Benzema. What did he do with them? Sweet fuck all that's it. And when he got the sack he was moaning that he couldn't make his own transfer decisions.

I swear that anyone, ANYONE, who claims that this guy will be improvement on Mancini doesn't know what they are talking about. For them it's just exotic name that isn't Mancini.

Honestly, there are three names that you could almost guarantee to be better than Mancini in short term. Those are Taggart and Mourinho. I personally don't want Mourinho because he would fuck us up in long term although he would bring results short term. You could also make a good case for Jurgen Klopp. That's pretty much it. I don't see many managers around who could match Mancini for pedigree. Certainly not joker like Pellegrini. If we'd appoint Pellegrini we would end up in loop the Chelsea did after getting rid of Mourinho. Managers would come and go every seven months to give it a crack. I don't want that.


Sorry mate, but you have got it wrong here. Villareal never spent the huge amounts we have. Definitely not on our scale. He took unfancied Villareal to the CL semi-final and lost because of a missed penalty. What he has done with Villareal is something Mancini has never done, getting into the semifinal.

It's Malaga and not Mallorca who Pellegrini is currently managing. You mention how he has spent money but don't mention that they haven't spent on our scale nor that they are facing a crisis and had to sell their best players like Cazorla, Monreal, etc. Some of their players have not received their paychecks and they are banned from Europe next season. And yet they go further in CL with a far inferior squad. You are not giving him credit for managing a crisis ridden club. It's like managing Portsmouth.

You constantly talk about his lack of trophies, but will you explain how he is supposed to win a trophy where the likes of Real Madrid and Barca are lurking. There is literally no chance for a smaller club to win the la liga, but yet he took Villareal second above Barcelona, Barcelona under Frank Rijkaard with Xavi, eto'o etc. Even Mancini hasn't won the CL but you gloss over that.

Real Madrid is a circus. The board bought the galacticos and thrust it over Pelligrini. He was forced to play Raul and Guti just for political reasons. Robben and Sneijder,(who both drove their clubs to the CL final the next season) were sold although he wanted to keep em. Chelsea bought Torres under Abramovich's whim and he forced the manager's hands and made them use Torres and look what a disaster it has been. Pellegrini was constantly pushed around at Madrid and yet he got 96 points and only lost the title against one of the best sides in history by 3 points. Basically he lost 1 El Clasico and that cost him his job. He was sacked not because he failed but because RM were masturbating at the thought of Mourinho. The Madrid fans wanted him to stay, which says a lot when a group of fans like Madrid fans who keep complaining even if their team wins a la liga title.

You criticize him for complaining about the transfer policy but you will blame Mar-wood when Mancini didn't get his transfers, right? Pretty hypocritical.

People are not getting that Mancini won't be sacked for being 2nd or losing the FA cup. The primary reason will surely be his constant clashes with the players and the board and failures in Europe. The failures in Europe are costing the club a load of revenue as well as a chance to increase the co-efficient.

Note that I respect Mancini for what he has done for the club, but calling Pellegrini a clown and all is just too much. You keep saying that his trophy cabinet is blank. Rafa Benitez has won more trophies than him, so surely he is a better manager right? That trophy argument is too weak. Guardiola and Klopp had no trophies but they have turned out well while Mou and Madrid seemed a match in heaven and yet look what has happened.
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby ruralblue » Mon May 13, 2013 12:17 pm

One can now only come to the conclusion that the silence from Mr John68 means that he has been approached by the board and has been thrashing out a deal all weekend. I imagine this will be tweeted sometime this afternoon.

I do hope that this will mean goodbye to Mr Potato Head!
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Mon May 13, 2013 1:36 pm

Clowncrete wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Clowncrete wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Superbia wrote:Mancini is a poor manager get over it


I honestly have no idea when you started following City but after watching the complete fucking clowns like Ball, Coppell, Hughes, Clark etc running the show one time or another, I would never make retarded comment like that. Did he fail this season? Yeah. Did I expect more from players this year? Yeah. Did I expect us to win the cup? Yeah. But I would never ever call feller who has won us league title and FA cup 'poor manager'.

I also find the people expecting Pellegrini hilarious. They have no idea what sort of third rate manager we are talking about.


I wouldn't call Pellegrini third rate. He may not be the best manager but third rate?


I would and if we had this guy I fear vast majority would agree by christmas.
People will point out him bringing Villareal and Mallorca record setting seasons. Point they are handily forgetting is that both cases he took over team who all of the sudden had tons of money to spend. What has he ever won though? Ten years in Europe running teams with lot of money to spend and he has fuck all to show for it. Fuck all.

In Real they gave him Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Karim Benzema. What did he do with them? Sweet fuck all that's it. And when he got the sack he was moaning that he couldn't make his own transfer decisions.

I swear that anyone, ANYONE, who claims that this guy will be improvement on Mancini doesn't know what they are talking about. For them it's just exotic name that isn't Mancini.

Honestly, there are three names that you could almost guarantee to be better than Mancini in short term. Those are Taggart and Mourinho. I personally don't want Mourinho because he would fuck us up in long term although he would bring results short term. You could also make a good case for Jurgen Klopp. That's pretty much it. I don't see many managers around who could match Mancini for pedigree. Certainly not joker like Pellegrini. If we'd appoint Pellegrini we would end up in loop the Chelsea did after getting rid of Mourinho. Managers would come and go every seven months to give it a crack. I don't want that.


Sorry mate, but you have got it wrong here. Villareal never spent the huge amounts we have. Definitely not on our scale. He took unfancied Villareal to the CL semi-final and lost because of a missed penalty. What he has done with Villareal is something Mancini has never done, getting into the semifinal.

It's Malaga and not Mallorca who Pellegrini is currently managing. You mention how he has spent money but don't mention that they haven't spent on our scale nor that they are facing a crisis and had to sell their best players like Cazorla, Monreal, etc. Some of their players have not received their paychecks and they are banned from Europe next season. And yet they go further in CL with a far inferior squad. You are not giving him credit for managing a crisis ridden club. It's like managing Portsmouth.

You constantly talk about his lack of trophies, but will you explain how he is supposed to win a trophy where the likes of Real Madrid and Barca are lurking. There is literally no chance for a smaller club to win the la liga, but yet he took Villareal second above Barcelona, Barcelona under Frank Rijkaard with Xavi, eto'o etc. Even Mancini hasn't won the CL but you gloss over that.

Real Madrid is a circus. The board bought the galacticos and thrust it over Pelligrini. He was forced to play Raul and Guti just for political reasons. Robben and Sneijder,(who both drove their clubs to the CL final the next season) were sold although he wanted to keep em. Chelsea bought Torres under Abramovich's whim and he forced the manager's hands and made them use Torres and look what a disaster it has been. Pellegrini was constantly pushed around at Madrid and yet he got 96 points and only lost the title against one of the best sides in history by 3 points. Basically he lost 1 El Clasico and that cost him his job. He was sacked not because he failed but because RM were masturbating at the thought of Mourinho. The Madrid fans wanted him to stay, which says a lot when a group of fans like Madrid fans who keep complaining even if their team wins a la liga title.

You criticize him for complaining about the transfer policy but you will blame Mar-wood when Mancini didn't get his transfers, right? Pretty hypocritical.

People are not getting that Mancini won't be sacked for being 2nd or losing the FA cup. The primary reason will surely be his constant clashes with the players and the board and failures in Europe. The failures in Europe are costing the club a load of revenue as well as a chance to increase the co-efficient.

Note that I respect Mancini for what he has done for the club, but calling Pellegrini a clown and all is just too much. You keep saying that his trophy cabinet is blank. Rafa Benitez has won more trophies than him, so surely he is a better manager right? That trophy argument is too weak. Guardiola and Klopp had no trophies but they have turned out well while Mou and Madrid seemed a match in heaven and yet look what has happened.


Like maybe by winning them WITH Real Madrid?

He already had the crack at the whip with team even more expensive than ours. And failed.

And had Marwood delivered Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Benzema and still had come up with sweet fuck all then I would understand this. But Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia and Jack Rodwell aren't quite the same now are they?

And yes, Benitez, eventhough pretty crappy manager overall, would be better manager than Pellegrini. Not that I'd want that joker either.
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby Clowncrete » Mon May 13, 2013 1:57 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Like maybe by winning them WITH Real Madrid?

He already had the crack at the whip with team even more expensive than ours. And failed.

And had Marwood delivered Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Benzema and still had come up with sweet fuck all then I would understand this. But Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia and Jack Rodwell aren't quite the same now are they?

And yes, Benitez, eventhough pretty crappy manager overall, would be better manager than Pellegrini. Not that I'd want that joker either.


He didn't sign any of the galacticos, they were thrust upon him. Big difference. That's the same as expecting Mancini to win in the 2010-2011 season with some of Hughes' signings thrust upon Mancini. The irony is that you will excuse Mancini if he was at Madrid and didn't win in the first season. And he only lost by 3 points against one of the best teams in histroy.

And lol at "Benitez better than Pellegrini". You are just being too biased here.
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Mon May 13, 2013 2:06 pm

Clowncrete wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Like maybe by winning them WITH Real Madrid?

He already had the crack at the whip with team even more expensive than ours. And failed.

And had Marwood delivered Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Benzema and still had come up with sweet fuck all then I would understand this. But Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia and Jack Rodwell aren't quite the same now are they?

And yes, Benitez, eventhough pretty crappy manager overall, would be better manager than Pellegrini. Not that I'd want that joker either.


He didn't sign any of the galacticos, they were thrust upon him. Big difference. That's the same as expecting Mancini to win in the 2010-2011 season with some of Hughes' signings thrust upon Mancini. The irony is that you will excuse Mancini if he was at Madrid and didn't win in the first season. And he only lost by 3 points against one of the best teams in histroy.

And lol at "Benitez better than Pellegrini". You are just being too biased here.


What the hell??? That's not the same thing at all! Unless you think that Roque Santa Cruz, Wayne Bridge and Kolo Toure were similar players to aforementioned Tranaldo, Alonso and Benzema.

Pellegrini is not a very good manager. Get over it. None of that has anything to do with Mancini other than replacing him with lesser guy would be idiotic. If it's Klopp or Mourinho I would at least see some thought behind it. Sacking Mancini and getting Pelligrini would show serious lack of forwardthinking by Beguiristain and co. It would be like bringing in any bum off the street just so that we wouldn't have to deal with more Mancini.

I can ASSURE you that Pellegrini wouldn't last full 12 months. No way.
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Mon May 13, 2013 2:06 pm

Manuel Pellegrini is next best thing for Manchester City after Guardiola
Chilean manager embraces the same philosophy that made Barcelona great under Pep Guardiola

Manuel Pellegrini took Villarreal and Málaga into the Champions League for the first time. Photograph: Gonzalo Arroyo Moreno/Getty Images
Once Txiki Begiristain took over as the sporting director at Manchester City, Manuel Pellegrini was always likely to be a managerial target – especially once Pep Guardiola chose Munich over Manchester.

Begiristain was the man who brought in Guardiola to be Barcelona's first-team coach in 2008 and the assumption was that he would try to do the same in England. City's owners may well have employed him with that very idea in mind. If so, the plan failed, but they may just have got the closest thing.

In 2008, Barcelona had just finished third, beaten to the runners-up spot by Pellegrini's Villarreal – the last side to break up the big two – and the media demanded José Mourinho, but Begiristain insisted on a very specific model in Guardiola: the same model City are now seeking to install – an attacking game based on technique and possession, a stable project and a willingness to bring through youth.

Few fit the philosophy like the 59-year-old Chilean. Barcelona won everything with Guardiola; the following year Real Madrid sought to emulate them. Jorge Valdano, a conscious advocate of the type of football Barça adopted, described Pellegrini as a coach who "likes his team to be the protagonist: he seeks to dominate possession and always attack". Pellegrini was the obvious man to execute Valdano's plan.

It is natural enough that City should see him as the candidate to execute theirs. The decision may be questionable but it is coherent. It is not just about winning, it is about how you win. City fans have pointed out that Pellegrini has won nothing in the nine years he has spent coaching in Spain. That is true but it fails to take into consideration the level of the teams he managed, the circumstances he encountered and the teams he faced.

At Real, he found a club where two key players were sold against his wishes and though he broke the club's points record, but missed out to the Guardiola-led Barcelona team who won a unique treble in 2009. Beguiristain's team.

Either side of that, he took Villarreal and Málaga to the Champions League for the first time. He led Villarreal to the semi-final, beating Roberto Mancini's Internazionale en route, and led Málaga to the quarter-finals. No debutant side have ever gone as far as either of them.
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby Yaya Toure is a LAD » Mon May 13, 2013 2:52 pm

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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby sheblue » Mon May 13, 2013 2:53 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:Manuel Pellegrini is next best thing for Manchester City after Guardiola
Chilean manager embraces the same philosophy that made Barcelona great under Pep Guardiola

Manuel Pellegrini took Villarreal and Málaga into the Champions League for the first time. Photograph: Gonzalo Arroyo Moreno/Getty Images
Once Txiki Begiristain took over as the sporting director at Manchester City, Manuel Pellegrini was always likely to be a managerial target – especially once Pep Guardiola chose Munich over Manchester.

Begiristain was the man who brought in Guardiola to be Barcelona's first-team coach in 2008 and the assumption was that he would try to do the same in England. City's owners may well have employed him with that very idea in mind. If so, the plan failed, but they may just have got the closest thing.

In 2008, Barcelona had just finished third, beaten to the runners-up spot by Pellegrini's Villarreal – the last side to break up the big two – and the media demanded José Mourinho, but Begiristain insisted on a very specific model in Guardiola: the same model City are now seeking to install – an attacking game based on technique and possession, a stable project and a willingness to bring through youth.

Few fit the philosophy like the 59-year-old Chilean. Barcelona won everything with Guardiola; the following year Real Madrid sought to emulate them. Jorge Valdano, a conscious advocate of the type of football Barça adopted, described Pellegrini as a coach who "likes his team to be the protagonist: he seeks to dominate possession and always attack". Pellegrini was the obvious man to execute Valdano's plan.

It is natural enough that City should see him as the candidate to execute theirs. The decision may be questionable but it is coherent. It is not just about winning, it is about how you win. City fans have pointed out that Pellegrini has won nothing in the nine years he has spent coaching in Spain. That is true but it fails to take into consideration the level of the teams he managed, the circumstances he encountered and the teams he faced.

At Real, he found a club where two key players were sold against his wishes and though he broke the club's points record, but missed out to the Guardiola-led Barcelona team who won a unique treble in 2009. Beguiristain's team.

Either side of that, he took Villarreal and Málaga to the Champions League for the first time. He led Villarreal to the semi-final, beating Roberto Mancini's Internazionale en route, and led Málaga to the quarter-finals. No debutant side have ever gone as far as either of them.


think i am begining to warm to him a bit........
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby Clowncrete » Mon May 13, 2013 3:49 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Clowncrete wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Like maybe by winning them WITH Real Madrid?

He already had the crack at the whip with team even more expensive than ours. And failed.

And had Marwood delivered Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Benzema and still had come up with sweet fuck all then I would understand this. But Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia and Jack Rodwell aren't quite the same now are they?

And yes, Benitez, eventhough pretty crappy manager overall, would be better manager than Pellegrini. Not that I'd want that joker either.


He didn't sign any of the galacticos, they were thrust upon him. Big difference. That's the same as expecting Mancini to win in the 2010-2011 season with some of Hughes' signings thrust upon Mancini. The irony is that you will excuse Mancini if he was at Madrid and didn't win in the first season. And he only lost by 3 points against one of the best teams in histroy.

And lol at "Benitez better than Pellegrini". You are just being too biased here.


What the hell??? That's not the same thing at all! Unless you think that Roque Santa Cruz, Wayne Bridge and Kolo Toure were similar players to aforementioned Tranaldo, Alonso and Benzema.

Pellegrini is not a very good manager. Get over it. None of that has anything to do with Mancini other than replacing him with lesser guy would be idiotic. If it's Klopp or Mourinho I would at least see some thought behind it. Sacking Mancini and getting Pelligrini would show serious lack of forwardthinking by Beguiristain and co. It would be like bringing in any bum off the street just so that we wouldn't have to deal with more Mancini.

I can ASSURE you that Pellegrini wouldn't last full 12 months. No way.


While his opponents were Guardiola's Barca with Messi, Xavi and Iniesta, a team which won 6 trophies in that calender year. Only one manager has beat this team and that too after quite a few humiliations.

Surprisingly you mention RSC, Pellegrini has used RSC in his team decently.

You have made up your mind regarding Pellegrini, so I am dropping it here. You have simply ignored everything I have said about him.
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby saulman » Mon May 13, 2013 3:56 pm

If I'd had been given Mancinis record with City before he took the job, I'd have snapped their hand off. I don't know what he's done, who he's pissed off, what the politics are behind the scenes (isn't Tevez's beef with Mancini and not the club?) and I hear that Mancini can be a real obstinate bastard, but this is a huge gamble.

Personally, I'd give him another season to prove his worth. 2nd and an FA Cup final is the stuff of dreams from a few years ago. OK, we've moved on and expectations are higher but if we're going to expect trophies every season, we'll just start sounding like that bunch of cunts from across the road.

EDIT: Last day of last season will forever be tattooed on my mind. Best way to win the league, IMO. Will always love Mancini for that.
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby phips » Mon May 13, 2013 4:13 pm

Clowncrete wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I would and if we had this guy I fear vast majority would agree by christmas.
People will point out him bringing Villareal and Mallorca record setting seasons. Point they are handily forgetting is that both cases he took over team who all of the sudden had tons of money to spend. What has he ever won though? Ten years in Europe running teams with lot of money to spend and he has fuck all to show for it. Fuck all.

In Real they gave him Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Karim Benzema. What did he do with them? Sweet fuck all that's it. And when he got the sack he was moaning that he couldn't make his own transfer decisions.

I swear that anyone, ANYONE, who claims that this guy will be improvement on Mancini doesn't know what they are talking about. For them it's just exotic name that isn't Mancini.

Honestly, there are three names that you could almost guarantee to be better than Mancini in short term. Those are Taggart and Mourinho. I personally don't want Mourinho because he would fuck us up in long term although he would bring results short term. You could also make a good case for Jurgen Klopp. That's pretty much it. I don't see many managers around who could match Mancini for pedigree. Certainly not joker like Pellegrini. If we'd appoint Pellegrini we would end up in loop the Chelsea did after getting rid of Mourinho. Managers would come and go every seven months to give it a crack. I don't want that.


Sorry mate, but you have got it wrong here. Villareal never spent the huge amounts we have. Definitely not on our scale. He took unfancied Villareal to the CL semi-final and lost because of a missed penalty. What he has done with Villareal is something Mancini has never done, getting into the semifinal.

It's Malaga and not Mallorca who Pellegrini is currently managing. You mention how he has spent money but don't mention that they haven't spent on our scale nor that they are facing a crisis and had to sell their best players like Cazorla, Monreal, etc. Some of their players have not received their paychecks and they are banned from Europe next season. And yet they go further in CL with a far inferior squad. You are not giving him credit for managing a crisis ridden club. It's like managing Portsmouth.

You constantly talk about his lack of trophies, but will you explain how he is supposed to win a trophy where the likes of Real Madrid and Barca are lurking. There is literally no chance for a smaller club to win the la liga, but yet he took Villareal second above Barcelona, Barcelona under Frank Rijkaard with Xavi, eto'o etc. Even Mancini hasn't won the CL but you gloss over that.

Real Madrid is a circus. The board bought the galacticos and thrust it over Pelligrini. He was forced to play Raul and Guti just for political reasons. Robben and Sneijder,(who both drove their clubs to the CL final the next season) were sold although he wanted to keep em. Chelsea bought Torres under Abramovich's whim and he forced the manager's hands and made them use Torres and look what a disaster it has been. Pellegrini was constantly pushed around at Madrid and yet he got 96 points and only lost the title against one of the best sides in history by 3 points. Basically he lost 1 El Clasico and that cost him his job. He was sacked not because he failed but because RM were masturbating at the thought of Mourinho. The Madrid fans wanted him to stay, which says a lot when a group of fans like Madrid fans who keep complaining even if their team wins a la liga title.

You criticize him for complaining about the transfer policy but you will blame Mar-wood when Mancini didn't get his transfers, right? Pretty hypocritical.

People are not getting that Mancini won't be sacked for being 2nd or losing the FA cup. The primary reason will surely be his constant clashes with the players and the board and failures in Europe. The failures in Europe are costing the club a load of revenue as well as a chance to increase the co-efficient.

Note that I respect Mancini for what he has done for the club, but calling Pellegrini a clown and all is just too much. You keep saying that his trophy cabinet is blank. Rafa Benitez has won more trophies than him, so surely he is a better manager right? That trophy argument is too weak. Guardiola and Klopp had no trophies but they have turned out well while Mou and Madrid seemed a match in heaven and yet look what has happened.

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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Mon May 13, 2013 5:30 pm

Clowncrete wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Clowncrete wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Like maybe by winning them WITH Real Madrid?

He already had the crack at the whip with team even more expensive than ours. And failed.

And had Marwood delivered Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Benzema and still had come up with sweet fuck all then I would understand this. But Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia and Jack Rodwell aren't quite the same now are they?

And yes, Benitez, eventhough pretty crappy manager overall, would be better manager than Pellegrini. Not that I'd want that joker either.


He didn't sign any of the galacticos, they were thrust upon him. Big difference. That's the same as expecting Mancini to win in the 2010-2011 season with some of Hughes' signings thrust upon Mancini. The irony is that you will excuse Mancini if he was at Madrid and didn't win in the first season. And he only lost by 3 points against one of the best teams in histroy.

And lol at "Benitez better than Pellegrini". You are just being too biased here.


What the hell??? That's not the same thing at all! Unless you think that Roque Santa Cruz, Wayne Bridge and Kolo Toure were similar players to aforementioned Tranaldo, Alonso and Benzema.

Pellegrini is not a very good manager. Get over it. None of that has anything to do with Mancini other than replacing him with lesser guy would be idiotic. If it's Klopp or Mourinho I would at least see some thought behind it. Sacking Mancini and getting Pelligrini would show serious lack of forwardthinking by Beguiristain and co. It would be like bringing in any bum off the street just so that we wouldn't have to deal with more Mancini.

I can ASSURE you that Pellegrini wouldn't last full 12 months. No way.


While his opponents were Guardiola's Barca with Messi, Xavi and Iniesta, a team which won 6 trophies in that calender year. Only one manager has beat this team and that too after quite a few humiliations.

Surprisingly you mention RSC, Pellegrini has used RSC in his team decently.

You have made up your mind regarding Pellegrini, so I am dropping it here. You have simply ignored everything I have said about him.


You think I go by what people say on Internet message board over what I've seen of him over the years? He has had some glorious cup runs that amounted to nothing. Otherwise he has been average at best despite having good resources everywhere. Never winning anything.

Some people clearly are just willing to go with any name other than Mancini which is simply ridiculous.
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby Chopper » Mon May 13, 2013 5:34 pm

kennyboy wrote:The poll speak for it self. I think he will be replaced.
What is the tactic when your team is chasing a goal and you take of Carlos and replace him with Jack Rodwell?
I don't get it.


Yes the poll does speak for itself.

The majority want him to stay.

Calling for his head after the success we have seen is childish. The two arguments are over his perceived tactical weakness and Champions league campaigns. How did we win anything? How did taggart do in his first 4 years?

Its really sad to see certain folk behave this way. Getting rid of Mancini will be one of the biggest mistakes ever made by the club. We have the rags rebuilding with a false prophet and an aging chelsea side with their messiah back. Under Roberto we won the league last year and came in second this year. Its not the time to bring in a new manager.
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby Swales4ever » Mon May 13, 2013 5:39 pm

Back home and see no one seemed interested in the points I shared last night from the hotel.
Reading the subtle painting that is smoothly implied on today OS's media summary, I am now getting convinced that there is certainly fire under the smoke.
It still puzzles me big time, having spent the last night thinking about Khaldoon's credentials of shrewd and extremely qualified top Investor: the even thought of him having chosen to back the mediocrity party and show the door to the one who have hardly fought to establish professionalism and hard work at the Club does not match the idea I had of our Chairman.

I also see that my opinion is well represented by another johnny foreigner landed on here well before me. It's certain as hell that none is irreplaceable and should the Owner have gone to toss his dices over some else with higher/similar profile of Mancini, I may loath it as a licker, but I could have very little to argue as a Blue.
Now,few facts that even the most brainwashed morons may get about the massive failure that appointing Pellegrini would represent:
While Manure have established their domination over the Premiership era also thanks to a certain level of positive bias widely spread all over the British Nations, it's certain as hell that Real Madrid enjoy nth level of the same bias since the early stage of their history: they are the Club of the Royal Crown of Spain and even the fascist dictator Francisco Franco had to took it into consideration.
On such an assumption, why someone who failed miserably at a Club which enjoy such level of bias would be an improvement over someone who have twatted the Nation's Sweetheart U*d, at the helm of the most hated Club of England is beyond me. Even considering that Pellegrini would take over on a job already done, and won't have to deal with a bunch of lazy cunts scraped by English top sides, nor he have to deal with the "backing" of some professionals like Marwood.

However, back on to another thread, it should be said "Your are not a City fan if...." You don't put Your passion for old good Swales' merry go rounds ahead of the Club success. People arsed to follow my contributions know that I was already a City fan when I happened to land on a fans forum for the fist ever, just moved by the pride of having a fellow Countryman, whose footballing nose I love, in charge of the Blues.
The very first post which draw my attention was on BM, where someone was posting something like "the cousin of my girlfriend met with the best mate of Stevie's girlfriend at the pub and he has been told of the desperation of poor little Stevie, knowing for certain that City is going to get relegated under this Clueless dictator"

Now I see that these glory days are back, at least based on this interesting report from the toilet:
patrickblue wrote:Question for you all, not sure which thread to put it in but this is as good as any.
I worked on Friday night, had a few hours sleep, then went off to Wembley, so I was blissfully unaware of all the shit that had happened
on Saturday morning.
Anyway, I was coming out of the toilet in Wembley, just before KO, and there was a guy talking to his mates just outside, he said that some of the players (Hart and Barry were two I definitely heard) had said if he stays, they will go. At the time I didn't have a clue what he was talking about, I now assume they were talking about Bobby.
Can anyone cast any light on this?


One may argue on man management, wondering of riots and mutinies, the truth is that in every field of working life, in every working teams You will find a couple of lazy counts bemoaning at the leader who is trying to have them earning their wages: the turning point will always be if the leader is allowed to stamp his authority by the organization he is appointed to represent.
I doubt that Slur would have established his reputation with the sort of backing Mancini has enjoyed at City.

Next fortnight is goona be interesting and very telling about the near future of this great Club, at least I may finally prove that I am a genuine Blue, irrespectively of the manager and I suspect that I am gonna share all the lovely moaning and irony which took the Blues spirit lively and proud during the long era which separated the Mercer/Allison tenure with the Mancini.

I still keeping my fingers crossed, hoping that we all learn by june that it's just a funny joke and the path upward will still be in place, with Mancini. Or failing that with a proven top manager like Ancelotti or a proven rising star like Martinez (PL proof) or Kloss.
I doubt that sacking Mancini, this way, and after what he have done to help rise the Club from an unsustainable position under FFPR to a Club that now only take a little stability in success to top the table of top earning Clubs, would attract many top managers tough.

1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


In Roger Ailes/Donnie Drumpf's words: "don't know it for a fact, but many people say so..."
there must be some truth, then!
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby Moonchesteri » Mon May 13, 2013 9:12 pm

MaineRoadMemories wrote:I wonder if the poll should really be. Do you want a manager in charge of the club or do you want two Spanish directors in charge of the club and have a coach to implement their 4-3-3 way of playing. I suppose anything is better than 3-5-2 though but I prefer a manager rather than a committee.


Aye.

Though, if the two spaniards really know their onions that model might be better in the long run
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Thu May 16, 2013 6:06 am

zabbadabbado wrote:I hope the rumours circulating about barcelona considering pellegrini are true, we don't want or need him at city he has won fuck all.I am going to laugh my bollocks off when robero mancini gets the vote of confidence that he thoroughly deserves for the success he has given us.only a lunatic would want to replace the most succesful manager we have had in years, 37, 000 fans sung roberto mancini name loudly and clearly, a ringing endorsement if ever there was one.the 2 spanish pricks should be sacked before they can do any more damage, they fucked up our season, and our cup final, yet robero mancini gets the blame for it all, truly shocking.


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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby xavi6 » Thu May 16, 2013 6:29 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Pellegrini is not a very good manager. Get over it. None of that has anything to do with Mancini other than replacing him with lesser guy would be idiotic. If it's Klopp or Mourinho I would at least see some thought behind it. Sacking Mancini and getting Pelligrini would show serious lack of forwardthinking by Beguiristain and co. It would be like bringing in any bum off the street just so that we wouldn't have to deal with more Mancini.

I can ASSURE you that Pellegrini wouldn't last full 12 months. No way.


I'm bookmarking this one, mainly for the bits in large text.

Mancini licker ;)
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Re: Mancini Poll

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Thu May 16, 2013 6:45 am

xavi6 wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Pellegrini is not a very good manager. Get over it. None of that has anything to do with Mancini other than replacing him with lesser guy would be idiotic. If it's Klopp or Mourinho I would at least see some thought behind it. Sacking Mancini and getting Pelligrini would show serious lack of forwardthinking by Beguiristain and co. It would be like bringing in any bum off the street just so that we wouldn't have to deal with more Mancini.

I can ASSURE you that Pellegrini wouldn't last full 12 months. No way.


I'm bookmarking this one, mainly for the bits in large text.

Mancini licker ;)


Do that mate. I stand by the prediction that Pellegrini will not last more than a season. I'll be happy to be proven wrong but average managers coming to top clubs from southern Europe don't have great record staying in the club for more than that year.

I might've been bit ott right after Mancini sacking calling Pellegrini third rate. I think he is second rate manager. Has done well with limited resources in Europe and admittedly that El Submarino Amarillo team of his was mostly joy to watch for neutral (although we lack Marcos Senna who was absolutely elemental to that team). But he failed in Real and hasn't won anything, ANYTHING, in his ten years in Europe. He is step behind top European managers. Among maybe top 25 but not top 10. Therefore second rate.

And yes, some people are going about Pellegrini mainly because they wanted just ANY guy whose name wasn't Mancini.

Oh, and I was a PROUD Mancini licker. Guy brought us FA Cup and League Title. I'm sure many people have done better than that in Championship Manager 8 with same team but unfortunately I don't have time for computer games so I will just settle for those real life titles.
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