Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Clowncrete wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Superbia wrote:Mancini is a poor manager get over it
I honestly have no idea when you started following City but after watching the complete fucking clowns like Ball, Coppell, Hughes, Clark etc running the show one time or another, I would never make retarded comment like that. Did he fail this season? Yeah. Did I expect more from players this year? Yeah. Did I expect us to win the cup? Yeah. But I would never ever call feller who has won us league title and FA cup 'poor manager'.
I also find the people expecting Pellegrini hilarious. They have no idea what sort of third rate manager we are talking about.
I wouldn't call Pellegrini third rate. He may not be the best manager but third rate?
I would and if we had this guy I fear vast majority would agree by christmas.
People will point out him bringing Villareal and Mallorca record setting seasons. Point they are handily forgetting is that both cases he took over team who all of the sudden had tons of money to spend. What has he ever won though? Ten years in Europe running teams with lot of money to spend and he has fuck all to show for it. Fuck all.
In Real they gave him Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Karim Benzema. What did he do with them? Sweet fuck all that's it. And when he got the sack he was moaning that he couldn't make his own transfer decisions.
I swear that anyone, ANYONE, who claims that this guy will be improvement on Mancini doesn't know what they are talking about. For them it's just exotic name that isn't Mancini.
Honestly, there are three names that you could almost guarantee to be better than Mancini in short term. Those are Taggart and Mourinho. I personally don't want Mourinho because he would fuck us up in long term although he would bring results short term. You could also make a good case for Jurgen Klopp. That's pretty much it. I don't see many managers around who could match Mancini for pedigree. Certainly not joker like Pellegrini. If we'd appoint Pellegrini we would end up in loop the Chelsea did after getting rid of Mourinho. Managers would come and go every seven months to give it a crack. I don't want that.
Clowncrete wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Clowncrete wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Superbia wrote:Mancini is a poor manager get over it
I honestly have no idea when you started following City but after watching the complete fucking clowns like Ball, Coppell, Hughes, Clark etc running the show one time or another, I would never make retarded comment like that. Did he fail this season? Yeah. Did I expect more from players this year? Yeah. Did I expect us to win the cup? Yeah. But I would never ever call feller who has won us league title and FA cup 'poor manager'.
I also find the people expecting Pellegrini hilarious. They have no idea what sort of third rate manager we are talking about.
I wouldn't call Pellegrini third rate. He may not be the best manager but third rate?
I would and if we had this guy I fear vast majority would agree by christmas.
People will point out him bringing Villareal and Mallorca record setting seasons. Point they are handily forgetting is that both cases he took over team who all of the sudden had tons of money to spend. What has he ever won though? Ten years in Europe running teams with lot of money to spend and he has fuck all to show for it. Fuck all.
In Real they gave him Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Karim Benzema. What did he do with them? Sweet fuck all that's it. And when he got the sack he was moaning that he couldn't make his own transfer decisions.
I swear that anyone, ANYONE, who claims that this guy will be improvement on Mancini doesn't know what they are talking about. For them it's just exotic name that isn't Mancini.
Honestly, there are three names that you could almost guarantee to be better than Mancini in short term. Those are Taggart and Mourinho. I personally don't want Mourinho because he would fuck us up in long term although he would bring results short term. You could also make a good case for Jurgen Klopp. That's pretty much it. I don't see many managers around who could match Mancini for pedigree. Certainly not joker like Pellegrini. If we'd appoint Pellegrini we would end up in loop the Chelsea did after getting rid of Mourinho. Managers would come and go every seven months to give it a crack. I don't want that.
Sorry mate, but you have got it wrong here. Villareal never spent the huge amounts we have. Definitely not on our scale. He took unfancied Villareal to the CL semi-final and lost because of a missed penalty. What he has done with Villareal is something Mancini has never done, getting into the semifinal.
It's Malaga and not Mallorca who Pellegrini is currently managing. You mention how he has spent money but don't mention that they haven't spent on our scale nor that they are facing a crisis and had to sell their best players like Cazorla, Monreal, etc. Some of their players have not received their paychecks and they are banned from Europe next season. And yet they go further in CL with a far inferior squad. You are not giving him credit for managing a crisis ridden club. It's like managing Portsmouth.
You constantly talk about his lack of trophies, but will you explain how he is supposed to win a trophy where the likes of Real Madrid and Barca are lurking. There is literally no chance for a smaller club to win the la liga, but yet he took Villareal second above Barcelona, Barcelona under Frank Rijkaard with Xavi, eto'o etc. Even Mancini hasn't won the CL but you gloss over that.
Real Madrid is a circus. The board bought the galacticos and thrust it over Pelligrini. He was forced to play Raul and Guti just for political reasons. Robben and Sneijder,(who both drove their clubs to the CL final the next season) were sold although he wanted to keep em. Chelsea bought Torres under Abramovich's whim and he forced the manager's hands and made them use Torres and look what a disaster it has been. Pellegrini was constantly pushed around at Madrid and yet he got 96 points and only lost the title against one of the best sides in history by 3 points. Basically he lost 1 El Clasico and that cost him his job. He was sacked not because he failed but because RM were masturbating at the thought of Mourinho. The Madrid fans wanted him to stay, which says a lot when a group of fans like Madrid fans who keep complaining even if their team wins a la liga title.
You criticize him for complaining about the transfer policy but you will blame Mar-wood when Mancini didn't get his transfers, right? Pretty hypocritical.
People are not getting that Mancini won't be sacked for being 2nd or losing the FA cup. The primary reason will surely be his constant clashes with the players and the board and failures in Europe. The failures in Europe are costing the club a load of revenue as well as a chance to increase the co-efficient.
Note that I respect Mancini for what he has done for the club, but calling Pellegrini a clown and all is just too much. You keep saying that his trophy cabinet is blank. Rafa Benitez has won more trophies than him, so surely he is a better manager right? That trophy argument is too weak. Guardiola and Klopp had no trophies but they have turned out well while Mou and Madrid seemed a match in heaven and yet look what has happened.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Like maybe by winning them WITH Real Madrid?
He already had the crack at the whip with team even more expensive than ours. And failed.
And had Marwood delivered Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Benzema and still had come up with sweet fuck all then I would understand this. But Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia and Jack Rodwell aren't quite the same now are they?
And yes, Benitez, eventhough pretty crappy manager overall, would be better manager than Pellegrini. Not that I'd want that joker either.
Clowncrete wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Like maybe by winning them WITH Real Madrid?
He already had the crack at the whip with team even more expensive than ours. And failed.
And had Marwood delivered Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Benzema and still had come up with sweet fuck all then I would understand this. But Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia and Jack Rodwell aren't quite the same now are they?
And yes, Benitez, eventhough pretty crappy manager overall, would be better manager than Pellegrini. Not that I'd want that joker either.
He didn't sign any of the galacticos, they were thrust upon him. Big difference. That's the same as expecting Mancini to win in the 2010-2011 season with some of Hughes' signings thrust upon Mancini. The irony is that you will excuse Mancini if he was at Madrid and didn't win in the first season. And he only lost by 3 points against one of the best teams in histroy.
And lol at "Benitez better than Pellegrini". You are just being too biased here.
Clowncrete wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:Manuel Pellegrini is next best thing for Manchester City after Guardiola
Chilean manager embraces the same philosophy that made Barcelona great under Pep Guardiola
Manuel Pellegrini took Villarreal and Málaga into the Champions League for the first time. Photograph: Gonzalo Arroyo Moreno/Getty Images
Once Txiki Begiristain took over as the sporting director at Manchester City, Manuel Pellegrini was always likely to be a managerial target – especially once Pep Guardiola chose Munich over Manchester.
Begiristain was the man who brought in Guardiola to be Barcelona's first-team coach in 2008 and the assumption was that he would try to do the same in England. City's owners may well have employed him with that very idea in mind. If so, the plan failed, but they may just have got the closest thing.
In 2008, Barcelona had just finished third, beaten to the runners-up spot by Pellegrini's Villarreal – the last side to break up the big two – and the media demanded José Mourinho, but Begiristain insisted on a very specific model in Guardiola: the same model City are now seeking to install – an attacking game based on technique and possession, a stable project and a willingness to bring through youth.
Few fit the philosophy like the 59-year-old Chilean. Barcelona won everything with Guardiola; the following year Real Madrid sought to emulate them. Jorge Valdano, a conscious advocate of the type of football Barça adopted, described Pellegrini as a coach who "likes his team to be the protagonist: he seeks to dominate possession and always attack". Pellegrini was the obvious man to execute Valdano's plan.
It is natural enough that City should see him as the candidate to execute theirs. The decision may be questionable but it is coherent. It is not just about winning, it is about how you win. City fans have pointed out that Pellegrini has won nothing in the nine years he has spent coaching in Spain. That is true but it fails to take into consideration the level of the teams he managed, the circumstances he encountered and the teams he faced.
At Real, he found a club where two key players were sold against his wishes and though he broke the club's points record, but missed out to the Guardiola-led Barcelona team who won a unique treble in 2009. Beguiristain's team.
Either side of that, he took Villarreal and Málaga to the Champions League for the first time. He led Villarreal to the semi-final, beating Roberto Mancini's Internazionale en route, and led Málaga to the quarter-finals. No debutant side have ever gone as far as either of them.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Clowncrete wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Like maybe by winning them WITH Real Madrid?
He already had the crack at the whip with team even more expensive than ours. And failed.
And had Marwood delivered Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Benzema and still had come up with sweet fuck all then I would understand this. But Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia and Jack Rodwell aren't quite the same now are they?
And yes, Benitez, eventhough pretty crappy manager overall, would be better manager than Pellegrini. Not that I'd want that joker either.
He didn't sign any of the galacticos, they were thrust upon him. Big difference. That's the same as expecting Mancini to win in the 2010-2011 season with some of Hughes' signings thrust upon Mancini. The irony is that you will excuse Mancini if he was at Madrid and didn't win in the first season. And he only lost by 3 points against one of the best teams in histroy.
And lol at "Benitez better than Pellegrini". You are just being too biased here.
What the hell??? That's not the same thing at all! Unless you think that Roque Santa Cruz, Wayne Bridge and Kolo Toure were similar players to aforementioned Tranaldo, Alonso and Benzema.
Pellegrini is not a very good manager. Get over it. None of that has anything to do with Mancini other than replacing him with lesser guy would be idiotic. If it's Klopp or Mourinho I would at least see some thought behind it. Sacking Mancini and getting Pelligrini would show serious lack of forwardthinking by Beguiristain and co. It would be like bringing in any bum off the street just so that we wouldn't have to deal with more Mancini.
I can ASSURE you that Pellegrini wouldn't last full 12 months. No way.
Clowncrete wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I would and if we had this guy I fear vast majority would agree by christmas.
People will point out him bringing Villareal and Mallorca record setting seasons. Point they are handily forgetting is that both cases he took over team who all of the sudden had tons of money to spend. What has he ever won though? Ten years in Europe running teams with lot of money to spend and he has fuck all to show for it. Fuck all.
In Real they gave him Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Karim Benzema. What did he do with them? Sweet fuck all that's it. And when he got the sack he was moaning that he couldn't make his own transfer decisions.
I swear that anyone, ANYONE, who claims that this guy will be improvement on Mancini doesn't know what they are talking about. For them it's just exotic name that isn't Mancini.
Honestly, there are three names that you could almost guarantee to be better than Mancini in short term. Those are Taggart and Mourinho. I personally don't want Mourinho because he would fuck us up in long term although he would bring results short term. You could also make a good case for Jurgen Klopp. That's pretty much it. I don't see many managers around who could match Mancini for pedigree. Certainly not joker like Pellegrini. If we'd appoint Pellegrini we would end up in loop the Chelsea did after getting rid of Mourinho. Managers would come and go every seven months to give it a crack. I don't want that.
Sorry mate, but you have got it wrong here. Villareal never spent the huge amounts we have. Definitely not on our scale. He took unfancied Villareal to the CL semi-final and lost because of a missed penalty. What he has done with Villareal is something Mancini has never done, getting into the semifinal.
It's Malaga and not Mallorca who Pellegrini is currently managing. You mention how he has spent money but don't mention that they haven't spent on our scale nor that they are facing a crisis and had to sell their best players like Cazorla, Monreal, etc. Some of their players have not received their paychecks and they are banned from Europe next season. And yet they go further in CL with a far inferior squad. You are not giving him credit for managing a crisis ridden club. It's like managing Portsmouth.
You constantly talk about his lack of trophies, but will you explain how he is supposed to win a trophy where the likes of Real Madrid and Barca are lurking. There is literally no chance for a smaller club to win the la liga, but yet he took Villareal second above Barcelona, Barcelona under Frank Rijkaard with Xavi, eto'o etc. Even Mancini hasn't won the CL but you gloss over that.
Real Madrid is a circus. The board bought the galacticos and thrust it over Pelligrini. He was forced to play Raul and Guti just for political reasons. Robben and Sneijder,(who both drove their clubs to the CL final the next season) were sold although he wanted to keep em. Chelsea bought Torres under Abramovich's whim and he forced the manager's hands and made them use Torres and look what a disaster it has been. Pellegrini was constantly pushed around at Madrid and yet he got 96 points and only lost the title against one of the best sides in history by 3 points. Basically he lost 1 El Clasico and that cost him his job. He was sacked not because he failed but because RM were masturbating at the thought of Mourinho. The Madrid fans wanted him to stay, which says a lot when a group of fans like Madrid fans who keep complaining even if their team wins a la liga title.
You criticize him for complaining about the transfer policy but you will blame Mar-wood when Mancini didn't get his transfers, right? Pretty hypocritical.
People are not getting that Mancini won't be sacked for being 2nd or losing the FA cup. The primary reason will surely be his constant clashes with the players and the board and failures in Europe. The failures in Europe are costing the club a load of revenue as well as a chance to increase the co-efficient.
Note that I respect Mancini for what he has done for the club, but calling Pellegrini a clown and all is just too much. You keep saying that his trophy cabinet is blank. Rafa Benitez has won more trophies than him, so surely he is a better manager right? That trophy argument is too weak. Guardiola and Klopp had no trophies but they have turned out well while Mou and Madrid seemed a match in heaven and yet look what has happened.
Clowncrete wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Clowncrete wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Like maybe by winning them WITH Real Madrid?
He already had the crack at the whip with team even more expensive than ours. And failed.
And had Marwood delivered Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Benzema and still had come up with sweet fuck all then I would understand this. But Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia and Jack Rodwell aren't quite the same now are they?
And yes, Benitez, eventhough pretty crappy manager overall, would be better manager than Pellegrini. Not that I'd want that joker either.
He didn't sign any of the galacticos, they were thrust upon him. Big difference. That's the same as expecting Mancini to win in the 2010-2011 season with some of Hughes' signings thrust upon Mancini. The irony is that you will excuse Mancini if he was at Madrid and didn't win in the first season. And he only lost by 3 points against one of the best teams in histroy.
And lol at "Benitez better than Pellegrini". You are just being too biased here.
What the hell??? That's not the same thing at all! Unless you think that Roque Santa Cruz, Wayne Bridge and Kolo Toure were similar players to aforementioned Tranaldo, Alonso and Benzema.
Pellegrini is not a very good manager. Get over it. None of that has anything to do with Mancini other than replacing him with lesser guy would be idiotic. If it's Klopp or Mourinho I would at least see some thought behind it. Sacking Mancini and getting Pelligrini would show serious lack of forwardthinking by Beguiristain and co. It would be like bringing in any bum off the street just so that we wouldn't have to deal with more Mancini.
I can ASSURE you that Pellegrini wouldn't last full 12 months. No way.
While his opponents were Guardiola's Barca with Messi, Xavi and Iniesta, a team which won 6 trophies in that calender year. Only one manager has beat this team and that too after quite a few humiliations.
Surprisingly you mention RSC, Pellegrini has used RSC in his team decently.
You have made up your mind regarding Pellegrini, so I am dropping it here. You have simply ignored everything I have said about him.
kennyboy wrote:The poll speak for it self. I think he will be replaced.
What is the tactic when your team is chasing a goal and you take of Carlos and replace him with Jack Rodwell?
I don't get it.
patrickblue wrote:Question for you all, not sure which thread to put it in but this is as good as any.
I worked on Friday night, had a few hours sleep, then went off to Wembley, so I was blissfully unaware of all the shit that had happened
on Saturday morning.
Anyway, I was coming out of the toilet in Wembley, just before KO, and there was a guy talking to his mates just outside, he said that some of the players (Hart and Barry were two I definitely heard) had said if he stays, they will go. At the time I didn't have a clue what he was talking about, I now assume they were talking about Bobby.
Can anyone cast any light on this?
MaineRoadMemories wrote:I wonder if the poll should really be. Do you want a manager in charge of the club or do you want two Spanish directors in charge of the club and have a coach to implement their 4-3-3 way of playing. I suppose anything is better than 3-5-2 though but I prefer a manager rather than a committee.
zabbadabbado wrote:I hope the rumours circulating about barcelona considering pellegrini are true, we don't want or need him at city he has won fuck all.I am going to laugh my bollocks off when robero mancini gets the vote of confidence that he thoroughly deserves for the success he has given us.only a lunatic would want to replace the most succesful manager we have had in years, 37, 000 fans sung roberto mancini name loudly and clearly, a ringing endorsement if ever there was one.the 2 spanish pricks should be sacked before they can do any more damage, they fucked up our season, and our cup final, yet robero mancini gets the blame for it all, truly shocking.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Pellegrini is not a very good manager. Get over it. None of that has anything to do with Mancini other than replacing him with lesser guy would be idiotic. If it's Klopp or Mourinho I would at least see some thought behind it. Sacking Mancini and getting Pelligrini would show serious lack of forwardthinking by Beguiristain and co. It would be like bringing in any bum off the street just so that we wouldn't have to deal with more Mancini.
I can ASSURE you that Pellegrini wouldn't last full 12 months. No way.
xavi6 wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Pellegrini is not a very good manager. Get over it. None of that has anything to do with Mancini other than replacing him with lesser guy would be idiotic. If it's Klopp or Mourinho I would at least see some thought behind it. Sacking Mancini and getting Pelligrini would show serious lack of forwardthinking by Beguiristain and co. It would be like bringing in any bum off the street just so that we wouldn't have to deal with more Mancini.
I can ASSURE you that Pellegrini wouldn't last full 12 months. No way.
I'm bookmarking this one, mainly for the bits in large text.
Mancini licker ;)
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