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Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:55 pm
by Ted Hughes
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
There is a choice of course. To KEEP THE MONEY & leave the squad place open OR buy some more cheaper homegrown players to go in there. If that's what people want then fine.

I don't. I would have liked us to get some of our academy kids involved last season in case some took to it & filled that role, but we didn't so it's an empty space in the squad.

So that's the choice: KEEP THE MONEY, BUY CHEAP, or pay big for someone LIKE Sterling.




The choice is not and never will be sterling, kids or nothing. That's your opinion shouted and repeated as fact.



If you are going to reply to my post, why don't you try fucking reading it first instead of just talking shite ?

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:43 pm
by DoomMerchant
Ted Hughes wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
There is a choice of course. To KEEP THE MONEY & leave the squad place open OR buy some more cheaper homegrown players to go in there. If that's what people want then fine.

I don't. I would have liked us to get some of our academy kids involved last season in case some took to it & filled that role, but we didn't so it's an empty space in the squad.

So that's the choice: KEEP THE MONEY, BUY CHEAP, or pay big for someone LIKE Sterling.




The choice is not and never will be sterling, kids or nothing. That's your opinion shouted and repeated as fact.



If you are going to reply to my post, why don't you try fucking reading it first instead of just talking shite ?


Watching the match. Reading a post.

What will the board demand of him next? Hardcunts

Cheers

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:24 pm
by Original Dub
Mase wrote:
Tesl wrote:I swear Ted is the only person that consistently posts sensible accurate things. Everyone else on this board posts some right rubbish sometimes.



So fuck off then. No one will miss you.


Meow!

Anyway, I'm consistent as fuck too.

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:28 pm
by Mikhail Chigorin
Ted Hughes wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
There is a choice of course. To KEEP THE MONEY & leave the squad place open OR buy some more cheaper homegrown players to go in there. If that's what people want then fine.

I don't. I would have liked us to get some of our academy kids involved last season in case some took to it & filled that role, but we didn't so it's an empty space in the squad.

So that's the choice: KEEP THE MONEY, BUY CHEAP, or pay big for someone LIKE Sterling.




The choice is not and never will be sterling, kids or nothing. That's your opinion shouted and repeated as fact.



If you are going to reply to my post, why don't you try fucking reading it first instead of just talking shite ?


I'm not sure what was wrong with PBL's comment Ted. Can you elucidate/clarify what you were referring to, as it would be interesting to know ??

However, some sceptical souls might be constrained to think that you're trying to muddy the cyber waters by a bit of good old-fashioned bluster.

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:29 pm
by Mase
Original Dub wrote:
Mase wrote:
Tesl wrote:I swear Ted is the only person that consistently posts sensible accurate things. Everyone else on this board posts some right rubbish sometimes.



So fuck off then. No one will miss you.


Meow!

Anyway, I'm consistent as fuck too.


He's Phips II. Admit it.

I can't understand why he/she would say something like that. Just get Ted's mobile number or Facebook address and keep in touch. Why waste your time somewhere if you don't like it?

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:58 pm
by DoomMerchant
Original Dub wrote:
Mase wrote:
Tesl wrote:I swear Ted is the only person that consistently posts sensible accurate things. Everyone else on this board posts some right rubbish sometimes.



So fuck off then. No one will miss you.


Meow!

Anyway, I'm consistent as fuck too.


Yes. Average fucking basic bitch 1000%

Cheers

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:54 am
by Tesl
Mase wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Mase wrote:
Tesl wrote:I swear Ted is the only person that consistently posts sensible accurate things. Everyone else on this board posts some right rubbish sometimes.



So fuck off then. No one will miss you.


Meow!

Anyway, I'm consistent as fuck too.


He's Phips II. Admit it.

I can't understand why he/she would say something like that. Just get Ted's mobile number or Facebook address and keep in touch. Why waste your time somewhere if you don't like it?


I didn't say I didn't like it here!

I'm sorry for upsetting you.

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:35 am
by Pretty Boy Lee
Ted Hughes wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
There is a choice of course. To KEEP THE MONEY & leave the squad place open OR buy some more cheaper homegrown players to go in there. If that's what people want then fine.

I don't. I would have liked us to get some of our academy kids involved last season in case some took to it & filled that role, but we didn't so it's an empty space in the squad.

So that's the choice: KEEP THE MONEY, BUY CHEAP, or pay big for someone LIKE Sterling.




The choice is not and never will be sterling, kids or nothing. That's your opinion shouted and repeated as fact.



If you are going to reply to my post, why don't you try fucking reading it first instead of just talking shite ?


Definitely read it. Might have forgotten some by paragraph 5, but I'm pretty sure the part of mine you highlighted is nearly word for word what you wrote.

Talking shite is your thing mate. Carry on and get aggressive while writing the same thing over and over, it's a fucking struggle but I still read it.

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:45 am
by MilnersJaw
Pretty boy makes a good point. About ramhere 10 fucking kids sterling being our first 50million pound signing, how can you get excited for that? Would need more than Viagra .

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:01 am
by Mase
Tesl wrote:
Mase wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Mase wrote:
Tesl wrote:I swear Ted is the only person that consistently posts sensible accurate things. Everyone else on this board posts some right rubbish sometimes.



So fuck off then. No one will miss you.


Meow!

Anyway, I'm consistent as fuck too.


He's Phips II. Admit it.

I can't understand why he/she would say something like that. Just get Ted's mobile number or Facebook address and keep in touch. Why waste your time somewhere if you don't like it?


I didn't say I didn't like it here!

I'm sorry for upsetting you.


I accept your apology xx

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:03 am
by Original Dub
MilnersJaw wrote:Pretty boy makes a good point. About ramhere 10 fucking kids sterling being our first 50million pound signing, how can you get excited for that? Would need more than Viagra .


You should make up more nicknames for players. You're really good at it.

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:08 am
by Moonchesteri
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:Interesting article on the Sterling situation at the dippers

http://screamer.deadspin.com/liverpool- ... 1713104181

Liverpool Don't Deserve Raheem Sterling
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Ian Williams
Filed to: RAHEEM STERLING 6/24/15 6:29pm
Liverpool Don't Deserve Raheem Sterling

Here’s our daily exercise in keeping competing thoughts in our heads at the same time. European soccer has become player ruled. Particularly in the post-Chelsea, post-Manchester City era, there’s more money sloshing around in the top league than many entire nations. There’s no loyalty to club and not much more to country. Sports agents sit like ticks on the ass of a dog, leeching off their cuts and reveling in their status as bad guys of the sport. And clubs still aren’t the good guys.

Cool.

Raheem Sterling is maybe the brightest talent in English soccer, a tricky-dribbling, deft-passing, flashy, slightly raw 20-year-old with precisely the flair that the English game desperately needs. He’s not the finished product yet, but it is by no means the normal pundit hyperbole to call him one of the best young players in Europe. He has the making of a real superstar, another Eden Hazard someday, at that tier just below the very tip-top of soccer’s greatness hierarchy. He also plays for Liverpool and wants out.

Sterling wants money. Or trophies. Probably both, and Manchester City seem hell-bent on giving them to him, if media reports are to believed. It’s a pretty standard story, with two exceptions. The first is, of course, his age. He’s young and he’s got his sights set higher than most players his age. He wants to win now. Or get paid now. Whatever. It doesn’t matter, the point is he wants them now. Liverpool can’t give him both.

The second and far more troubling factor is how his pushing for a move has caused the English punditry class, especially those with a connection to the Liverpool front office, to lose their goddamned minds. For months now, a parade of ex-Liverpool players and newspaper writers have excoriated Sterling. Openly, publicly, in as ugly a fashion as they can without crossing the line into something too much even for the ravenous English appetite for tabloids and shit talk.

Leading the charge has been former Liverpool defender and current Sky Sports pundit Jamie Carragher. He’s been riding Sterling as far back as October of 2014, well before this current transfer saga kicked off in earnest. As things have snowballed, Carragher’s been right at the forefront, red-faced and wound up on TV, visibly seething about this kid taking on his club. Liverpool. Hallowed, you’ll never walk alone Liverpool.



So Sterling’s agent called Carragher a knob.

Now everyone’s gone haywire. An agent called Jamie Carragher a knob. This can’t stand. This is too much. Agents are vile. Sterling is a punk kid with too much self-regard. And he’s not even that good! Where do this asshole player and his agent get off?

There weren’t, of course, any words from the press when Carragher was balling his fists up talking about how Sterling’s behavior made him feel sick. Nobody blinked when Phil Johnson dumped on Sterling for having “too high an opinion of himself”. On and on, an entire media engine, with a few exceptions, piled on Sterling, saying he was too young to be anything but grateful. Not too young to get jumped on by the media. Not too young to bear the anger of Liverpool fans as they were whipped into a frenzy over the coverage. Too young for the money, but definitely old enough for the much-deserved hate.

Of course, there wasn’t this hand-wringing when Sterling was pried from QPR as a teenager. Liverpool’s insistence on doing things the “right way” wasn’t in question when they raided Southampton last summer. Nobody warned Theo Walcott or Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain that they would languish on the bench when Arsenal came in for them as youngsters. Sterling wouldn’t be a surefire starter if he went to City or Arsenal or PSG. Ask anyone. They’ll tell you. Only Liverpool can provide the combination of guaranteed playing time and amazing coaching a young talent like Sterling needs.

There’s always been a whiff of disdain when the media talks about Sterling. They were all too happy to bite on rumors that he had at least three children by numerous women. Photos of him partaking in low-grade, legal recreational drugs became evidence of his sloth. When Brendan Rodgers gave him a midseason break in Jamaica, it wasn’t a way of keeping the young star from burning out, as Rodgers insisted, but further proof that he was lazy and pampered.

I can’t comment on systemic British racism, but I do know my lying eyes. When they’re making t-shirts for Luis Suárez to let him know that he’s supported after getting suspended for using a racial slur while doing everything short of calling Sterling uppity for years, well, one starts to wonder about some of the most visibly apparent differences between the two men. Hell, Suárez was halfway out the door to Arsenal and they begged him to come back. Sterling’s not gone anywhere yet, with only the buzz of £40 million City bids around him, and Anfield is booing him while he’s not even on the pitch.

And what about Liverpool, anyway? Any of this could be excused if there were any apparent plan. Sterling actually doesn’t have much leverage, with two years on his contract. Liverpool don’t have to sell. So, given that, why would they poison the well so much that it makes staying untenable for everyone involved?

For the longest time, I’ve thought that Liverpool’s bluster, the sheer balls to strut about like you’re the best club in the world while you’re usually closer to 10th than 1st, was just that: bluster. It was, I thought, a way of keeping fans who remember the old days in line. A comfort against a world with new, big-money predators. A reliance on a creaking history in order to reassure everyone who buys tickets that the club still mattered to everyone in the world, that it was still the national treasure and cultural export it once was.

But this is looking increasingly untrue. The only explanation that makes any sense is that the Liverpool brass believe their own line every bit as much as their fans do. The 2014 challenge wasn’t a blip brought on by arguably the best pure striker in the world having the best season of his life. It was a birthright, a return to form. Liverpool are the Knicks. They’re the 1980s UCLA Bruins basketball team. Their best is fading in the rearview mirror, increasingly remembered only by middle-aged men crammed in pubs and sports bars, whispering names like Dalglish and Souness in reverent tones, as if those greats of yore could be conjured by quiet invocations and clenched eyes. And when something resembling the Liverpool of legend reemerges from the mist, as in 2014, the frenzy begins anew.

It’s not about keeping Sterling and it’s certainly not about making him happy. It’s about being right. It’s about displaying that you’re right, that the Liverpool way is alive and well. Liverpool FC, the English institution. You can, if you squint your eyes as you read the coverage of Sterling’s contract, see how much of it involves the club sub-communicating the correct poses. Liverpool, the Navy, and the Queen; let nothing sink them.

So it was that on the last day of the season we were treated to the sight of fans haranguing Sterling as Liverpool crashed to an embarrassing 6-1 loss to Stoke, their heaviest loss in 52 years. Sterling, who was on the bench and played no part in the sorry display, was booed mercilessly by the traveling Liverpool fans. He was called a greedy bastard. Then he was booed by England fans during the England-Ireland friendly. Definitely better to be right than good, Liverpool fans.

Really, why would Sterling want to be a part of that? It’s a bipolar organization, one where you’re bound to a monolithic obeisance to past glory while everyone is also really angry that they’re more likely to be rivals to Stoke than to Chelsea. Moreover, why would any young player want to be a part of that, especially an English one? Why subject yourself to the abuse which comes with being part of a Liverpool team?

Sterling’s going to leave. Maybe this summer, certainly by next. He has a touch more swagger than his accomplishments merit. His agent is almost certainly a villain, because sports agents are pretty much always villains. But I also hope he makes a billion dollars and puts a hat trick past a hapless Simon Mignolet while Jordan Henderson is pushing for an inevitable move away of his own. It’s the least Jamie Carragher and Phil Johnson and the like—bullies and loudmouths, all—deserve.

Photo via Getty


Ha, that was fun to read. Thanks for posting

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:29 am
by Ted Hughes
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
There is a choice of course. To KEEP THE MONEY & leave the squad place open OR buy some more cheaper homegrown players to go in there. If that's what people want then fine.

I don't. I would have liked us to get some of our academy kids involved last season in case some took to it & filled that role, but we didn't so it's an empty space in the squad.

So that's the choice: KEEP THE MONEY, BUY CHEAP, or pay big for someone LIKE Sterling.




The choice is not and never will be sterling, kids or nothing. That's your opinion shouted and repeated as fact.



If you are going to reply to my post, why don't you try fucking reading it first instead of just talking shite ?


Definitely read it. Might have forgotten some by paragraph 5, but I'm pretty sure the part of mine you highlighted is nearly word for word what you wrote.
.


No it fucking isn't.

It's not what you wrote at all, & you fucking know it.

'sterling, kids or nothing' Is what you are claiming is my opinion, & it fucking ISN'T my opinion, & I wouldn't fucking agree with it if someone else said it. So why the fuck are you claiming I said it ?

Why is this fucking shit necessary ? Why not reply to what I actually said, if you disagree with it ?

How the fuck am I supposed to reply to a post, that slates me for 'repeatedly shouting' a fucking opinion I don't even have ?

I then have to waste my time highlighting to people that I didn't actually say it & what's worse, others start joining in, not even bothering to read it either.

I'll fucking repeat it in simple large letters again for any other fucking timewasters or people who don't understand fucking English..


QUOTE: there is a choice of course. To KEEP THE MONEY & leave the squad place open OR buy some more cheaper homegrown players to go in there

Is that, STERLING KIDS OR NOTHING ? NO IT ISN'T.

Why the fuck are you claiming that I'm saying it is ?

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:24 pm
by patrickblue
Just had a thought. Let the scouse spend all this money, then pull out of the Sterling deal, so they fail FFP.

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:34 pm
by City64
Pretty sure some stuff on twitter a couple of weeks ago suggesting this deal would be completed July 1st ? Only twitter though so who knows ?? We will know soon I guess !

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:09 pm
by bigblue
love the article above, its only a matter of time until the nondipper media turns against the scouse

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:08 pm
by Pretty Boy Lee
Ted I'm not quoting you, because as usual you write 56 fucking paragraphs to say one thing.

Fine lets play it your way, sterling, keep the money or homegrown squad players?

Wrong again, who says we can't blow it on a superstar? Why do you insist on knowing everything? Your 3 scenarios are not, and never will be our only options. Not that I expet you'll ever admit to being wrong in anything. Tell me again how what you wrote is so vastly different to my interpretation? Keep the money to me means nothing. Can't keep your money if you've bought. Homegrown squad players to me means cheap or kids as the decent homegrown cost money. If you meant old journeymen then I apologize, but it's not got that many possible interpretations. And sterling is self explanatory so I didn't get that wrong.

Now here to why you're wrong anyway. Is there anyone abroad that we could get for 50m? Maybe not everyone comes under this price anymore, but I'd estimate oh about 99% of footballers could be attained for this sum. Obviously not the very top anymore or valuable players to top teams but that's a very very small minority so obviously with the vast majority of players available for silly money you sterling, homegrown squad or keep the money option is simply a stupid opinion, repeated, shouted and sworn about to try and bully through a misguided post.

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:56 pm
by twosips
To be fair they are our only options with regards to HG players. We buy Sterling, we promote kids, sign other cheaper HG squad players or leave the squad place open. They are literally the exact and only options we have regarding HG players, which we need and which, from what I can gather, this discussion is about. I don't think its been handled very well and everyone has seemingly lost their rag a bit, but it really is as simple as that isnt it?

We can't just ignore HG players and buy other foreigners as that leaves us with a smaller squad and that makes absolutely no sense. We've lost Lampard, Milner, Sinclair, Richards and Boyata and already had a squad maxed out on available slots for non-HG players, and none of them have left yet either.....

So we're back at square one - if we want to fill our squad up, we have to sign a HG player like Sterling, or some cheaper ones, or promote some kids. Or yes, we could leave the squad place open (which given we're about 5 places down, it doesnt seem likely we'll do that cos we desperately need some)...

It's pretty simple isn't it? That's the exact situation and the exact options. I don't think he ever said it was Sterling, Kids or nothing did he? He said the cheaper players bit too which is pretty important. The stuff regarding non-HG players is irrelevant as its not a discussion about them. It's about filling our HG slots.

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:47 pm
by Pretty Boy Lee
twosips wrote:To be fair they are our only options with regards to HG players. We buy Sterling, we promote kids, sign other cheaper HG squad players or leave the squad place open. They are literally the exact and only options we have regarding HG players, which we need and which, from what I can gather, this discussion is about. I don't think its been handled very well and everyone has seemingly lost their rag a bit, but it really is as simple as that isnt it?

We can't just ignore HG players and buy other foreigners as that leaves us with a smaller squad and that makes absolutely no sense. We've lost Lampard, Milner, Sinclair, Richards and Boyata and already had a squad maxed out on available slots for non-HG players, and none of them have left yet either.....

So we're back at square one - if we want to fill our squad up, we have to sign a HG player like Sterling, or some cheaper ones, or promote some kids. Or yes, we could leave the squad place open (which given we're about 5 places down, it doesnt seem likely we'll do that cos we desperately need some)...

It's pretty simple isn't it? That's the exact situation and the exact options. I don't think he ever said it was Sterling, Kids or nothing did he? He said the cheaper players bit too which is pretty important. The stuff regarding non-HG players is irrelevant as its not a discussion about them. It's about filling our HG slots.


No it's not. This is a discussion about the pros and cons of buying sterling. He is not our only option and some people (myself included) don't think he's worth 50m home grown or not.

We could easily ship out jovetic and bring in let's say Fabian Delph at a reasonable price, that's relevenat to this discussion because that's a home grown spit filled and we'd still have 50m to buy a player that could help our title push.

Teds post made out like we had one spot open and this was the decision to be made. There are far more variables in place than buying sterling, keeping the money or buying cheaper home grown options. Theoretically we could buy sterling and cheaper options, cheaper options alone, cheaper options plus a superstar. Nobody bloody knows, but most don't act like they do.

Re: sterling

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:49 am
by Dubciteh
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
twosips wrote:To be fair they are our only options with regards to HG players. We buy Sterling, we promote kids, sign other cheaper HG squad players or leave the squad place open. They are literally the exact and only options we have regarding HG players, which we need and which, from what I can gather, this discussion is about. I don't think its been handled very well and everyone has seemingly lost their rag a bit, but it really is as simple as that isnt it?

We can't just ignore HG players and buy other foreigners as that leaves us with a smaller squad and that makes absolutely no sense. We've lost Lampard, Milner, Sinclair, Richards and Boyata and already had a squad maxed out on available slots for non-HG players, and none of them have left yet either.....

So we're back at square one - if we want to fill our squad up, we have to sign a HG player like Sterling, or some cheaper ones, or promote some kids. Or yes, we could leave the squad place open (which given we're about 5 places down, it doesnt seem likely we'll do that cos we desperately need some)...

It's pretty simple isn't it? That's the exact situation and the exact options. I don't think he ever said it was Sterling, Kids or nothing did he? He said the cheaper players bit too which is pretty important. The stuff regarding non-HG players is irrelevant as its not a discussion about them. It's about filling our HG slots.


No it's not. This is a discussion about the pros and cons of buying sterling. He is not our only option and some people (myself included) don't think he's worth 50m home grown or not.

We could easily ship out jovetic and bring in let's say Fabian Delph at a reasonable price, that's relevenat to this discussion because that's a home grown spit filled and we'd still have 50m to buy a player that could help our title push.

Teds post made out like we had one spot open and this was the decision to be made. There are far more variables in place than buying sterling, keeping the money or buying cheaper home grown options. Theoretically we could buy sterling and cheaper options, cheaper options alone, cheaper options plus a superstar. Nobody bloody knows, but most don't act like they do.



Im with twosips and Ted here lee.

In your example, how about we ship out jovetic and buy a 50m player AND the best HG option which is sterling? Why would we sign Delph when hes not the best option and we have a massive budget? Why not get the best? ok 50m is a lot for Sterling but fuck its not my money and if we sign second rate players we will end up like previous seasons.