Goals for Pellegrini

[kinkylola]

His flaws were under the microscope this season and were magnified - the owners couldnt see him fixing the issues (remember when he was given the contract it was publicly known that the board stipulated he worked on his man management), if anything they were worse than ever, so he went

But that's what I'm saying. Did Mancini ever strike you as kind of guy who were willing to change his ways just because some suit asked him to? If anything, I'm sure it made him MORE determined to be in his worst behaviour. Extremely poor judge of character if they thought he'd change. Not just that type of man at all.

Also ... seems like new contract had a clause for only having to pay him 1 year if he was let go. I read that somewhere I think.

They probably gave him a raise to get the stipulation in ... and then fired him. That being said, i'm not too sure how long he had left on his current deal, if it was very short, that wouldn't make a lot of sense.

[Lee_R]

Two trophies and/or top 2 in league and CL qtrs minimum.

Im excited by what Ive read but concerned about fitness and his preference of using
a small squad of core players (as reported)

[kinkylola]

Oh right ... goals for Pelligrini:

1. Be good, win
2. Don't be bad, don't lose.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Maine Road Memories gave a clue to what was happening but nobody commented. There was a long piece about Pixie and Dixie giving Mancini a long contract in the full knowledge of who and what he was, only a short time ago. It wasn't a normal contract by today's standards...it was very long term. Now they give us reasons they already knew at that time as reasons for getting rid of him...What do 2 + 2 ADD UP TO?

That's what I've been wondering all along. Mancini as a man and a manager never changed. He was ALWAYS authoritarian, my way or the highway type. He was ALWAYS moaning about transfers. He was NEVER arm around the shoulder, bezzie mates with players manager. EVER. He was ALWAYS stubborn about the tactics. Generally ruthless guy.

None of that was news to ANYONE. Some people pretend that there was this new side of him coming out all of the sudden but I knew all that all along. He was like that in Italy and he was like that with us when we were winning things. Hell, look at the first months after he was appointed and how he treated players he didn't fancy. You ALL knew that. As did Beg-Sor. So why give him new contract at all?

I see Pelligrini as also being a transitional figure by design. a 2 year deal, an older, savvy coach ... comfortable with a set up behind him where he isn't necessarily tied into the daily running of the club, or transfers ... just gameday and prep.

I almost never agree with you over anything but I really really genuinely hope you are wrong. All joking aside, this guy needs to have strong backing to even stand a chance. This is Beg-Sor's guy. They NEED to back him or they themselves should be the next target. That would mean Mancini was sacked just for the sake of it and that is NOT how you improve as a Club. No way.

I did not mean that they would not back him, but you're not hiring a 60 year old thinking he's going to lead the club for 20+ years are you? This is transition ... it doesn't mean that no one cares about what is happening during the transition, which is exactly why Mancini was fired; they cared about how the transition from buying club to talent producing club would be handled, while still being in contention for winning trophies.

... but i'm also not sure what you were joking about! haha

Joking about expectations in this topic.

I don't understand the talk about "transitional period" at all. Transition to what? Looking at the team we have I would say we are at very least on the brink. Even objectively saying we are one of the top 10 teams (and by team here I mean the players and even management that was sacked) in the world. Couple of key additions in summer and we really genuinely should be competing for a long time.

[Wooders]

Transition to a team that has a steady line of talent produced by the academy - transition to a club ethos instilled in the likes of barca, bayern and, dare i say, the rags

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Transition to a team that has a steady line of talent produced by the academy - transition to a club ethos instilled in the likes of barca, bayern and, dare i say, the rags

Bayern have produced lot of good players but essentially have been buying team for past decade or so. Their strategy has mostly been to let "smaller" teams in Germany and to lesser extent abroad bring through these players and then steal them JUST when they are on the verge of a break through. Same goes for rags really.

Barcelona, yeah that's the model they are aiming for sure but what does Pellegrini have to do with that?

[zuricity]

Transition to a team that has a steady line of talent produced by the academy - transition to a club ethos instilled in the likes of barca, bayern and, dare i say, the rags

You're opening a can of worms with those sentences. i hope John68 is on his coffee break

[john68]

Wahey, KINKYLOLA

"From what it seems?"...Evidence please...or from what it seems remains speculation and innuendo. And where did this shit come from? The media....woo woo, and they wouldn't lie to us would they. What bit of power was Mancini grabbing at? Don't remember anyone trying to grab anything.

What damage to the youth system is that?...and please be specific. What bad habits are they? Nail Biting? Drinking wine with his pasta?

The board probably had a sit down...they could have probably had a cup of tea and a fucking biscuit. Another piece of damning guesswork against Mancini.

I love the next bit...He never got the best out of the players they got for him...so they never trusted him. He won the fucking League with those underachieving players and they never bothered buying the ones he wanted to strengthen. Remember Marwood getting the blame for that? You can't get much higher than 1st with underachievers...shame that.

What if Isco flops for Mancini...what if he flops BECAUSE OF the next guy...WHAT IF HE HADN'T?

If we don't want a galacticos team here...I suggest you check the names on the wish list thread on here. It may suggest a Galacticos team is just what most fans want.

I don't suppose it matters much whether you personally rate any rag's players but remember they didn't just beat us in the league and as bad as they may be...they also beat every other team.

I never said that sacking Mancini was wrong, you assume that. My gripe is that the reasons they have given for his sacking are lies and bullshit. I have seen too many managers wander into the sunset to worry too long about a well paid off Mancini. But please don't treat us fans like fucking sheep.

Neither have I suggested any opposition to an integrated system. I am all in favour of stability embedded into a club. I just happen to think that the design of our football culture and its subsequent control would be better served being run and controlled by someone with football knowledge and not a businessman in a suit and shiny shoes.

Personally, I think if a grown man needs to be cuddled to do his job, he ain't worth a wank. Millions of people go to work every day and do a professional job...can't stand their bosses....His man management was that horrific we actually won trophies...weakens your argument a bit. Don't believe what you have no evidence for. And check out Taggart's hair dryer and boot chucking for good management style.

I'll leave it at that, I think I have made my point. I am not defending Mancini, nor have any intention of being pushed into a corner to do so. I am accusing Pixie and Dixie of treating City fans as sheep by lying through their back teeth.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Personally, I think if a grown man needs to be cuddled to do his job, he ain't worth a wank. Millions of people go to work every day and do a professional job...can't stand their bosses....His man management was that horrific we actually won trophies...weakens your argument a bit. Don't believe what you have no evidence for. And check out Taggart's hair dryer and boot chucking for good management style.

Again, that's EXACTLY what I was trying to say on numerous topics as well. As a matter of fact, my new boss of past six months is pretty cuntish and don't really know shit about what's going. What do I do though? I come to work, do it as well as I've ever done, go home and don't think about it. Unfortunately it's not ME who gets to decide who is my boss. I just get on with things.

Even more so in football. Manager acting as a dictator.... I can't understand how football team could operate properly in any other environment. Holdin hands by campfire singing Kumbayah and talking about how sensitive everyone feels right now.... that's not the way of the football. You expect nit and grit on when they start playing, you don't get that attitude by pampering.

[john68]

Merci Zurich.

So few question or examine anything these days. Talk about sheep.
So many lies told by P and D. Not little ones but great big fucking obvious ones that are clearly not true and people gladly accept this shit without blinking. Then carry on as though none of it matters.

Maine Road Memories gave a clue to what was happening but nobody commented. There was a long piece about Pixie and Dixie giving Mancini a long contract in the full knowledge of who and what he was, only a short time ago. It wasn't a normal contract by today's standards...it was very long term. Now they give us reasons they already knew at that time as reasons for getting rid of him...What do 2 + 2 ADD UP TO?

...And if Mancini, who they now decide was shite and not up to it, was worth a long contract, why is their new choice only worth 2 years.

It may be worth remembering that there have been 2 great football dynasties in England since the 60s. The 1st was Liverpool. Their stability was led by Shankly and their culture was based on the boot room. Succeeding managers after Shankly came from the bootroom and that is what gave it its longevity. It was designed and run by FOOTBALLERS.
The 2nd great dynasty was and still is that at the swamp led by the patriarch that is Taggart. Moyes may have taken over but you can bet his lord and bacon protector will be on hand to ensure that the change is as seamless as problem free for Moyes as posiible....IT WAS DESIGNED AND RUN BY FOOTBALLERS...EDWARDS HAD FUCK ALL TO WITH IT.
The Barca dynasty was already in place..DESIGNED AND RUN BY FOOTBALLERS.

We on the other hand give carte blanche to control the whole of football at City. From the nursery to the 1st team to a pair of fucking power crazed suits.

Even Bayern have Hoeness and KHR overseeing Munich.

You could not make it up....but all is ok. the PR department said so....my fucking arse.

If our actions right now were executed with the idea of having Vieira as manager in 5 years, would you ahve the same objections? And would that be an excellent organic development from Player -> Youth Coach -> first team coach?

And of course the people running the team are suits, personally, I don't want a half punch-drunk former player running the direction of a club that will have substantial commercial interests globally. As far as you know, both of "The 2" are just as much fans of the game as your or I, even if they aren't City born and bred. That's just assumption ... but they are suits, with globally recognized experience and success in global business.

Kinky,
Why are all your posts in this preceeded by "IF" If our actions now are being executed with the idea of havin Donal Fucking Duck as our manager...and incense?

And why in God's name would an ex player have to be fucking punch drunk...this has gone beyond ridiculous. and nobody is suggesting they are City fans...you're just making this shit up as you go along. Is it a script for the Edinburgh festival?

[john68]

His flaws were under the microscope this season and were magnified - the owners couldnt see him fixing the issues (remember when he was given the contract it was publicly known that the board stipulated he worked on his man management), if anything they were worse than ever, so he went

I don't disagree but why offer him that long term contract Mate...then use what they already knew as evidence against him. I am not defending Mancini but these bastards are lying through their back teeth mate.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I don't disagree but why offer him that long term contract Mate...then use what they already knew as evidence against him. I am not defending Mancini but these bastards are lying through their back teeth mate.

John. Lets keep it simple. He was a negative boring fucker and nobody liked him. So they sacked the whining twat. Hurrah!
Up yer pipe, cherry ripe.

[lets all have a disco]

I dont recall many people asking for Pelli to win the lot next season in fact most have asked for improved European and League campaign.

There is some right mardy heads about.

[zuricity]

John. Lets keep it simple. He was a negative boring fucker and nobody liked him. So they sacked the whining twat. Hurrah!
Up yer pipe, cherry ripe.

and you are speaking for the 40 odd thousand City fans at Wembley last weekend all singing his name ? 'nobody liked him' what rubbish !

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I dont recall many people asking for Pelli to win the lot next season in fact most have asked for improved European and League campaign.

There is some right mardy heads about.

Wouldn't improving in league basically mean winning it?

[carl_feedthegoat]

I dont recall many people asking for Pelli to win the lot next season in fact most have asked for improved European and League campaign.

There is some right mardy heads about.

Wouldn't improving in league basically mean winning it?

No - it would mean being closer than 16 points behind the leaders with a few games to go.

[Blue Since 76]

. And check out Taggart's hair dryer and boot chucking for good management style.
.

Do you seriously believe he got the best out it Tranny or C^*%tona by shouting at them? Really?

Yes he shouts, yes he demands things from his players, but there will be another side to him to get the best out of players who didn't respond to shouting. Mancini showed no evidence of that and it's likely that was part of the problem.

Additionally, Taggart never publicly criticised a player he wanted to keep. You might be scared of him but you knew he'd always defend you in public. The same clearly wasn't the case with Mancini.

The best managers (in any business) get the best out of everyone. Mancini didn't do that. Whether that was enough for him to be sacked is another matter, but man management wasn't a strong point

[carl_feedthegoat]

. And check out Taggart's hair dryer and boot chucking for good management style.
.

Do you seriously believe he got the best out it Tranny or C^*%tona by shouting at them? Really?

Yes he shouts, yes he demands things from his players, but there will be another side to him to get the best out of players who didn't respond to shouting. Mancini showed no evidence of that and it's likely that was part of the problem.

Additionally, Taggart never publicly criticised a player he wanted to keep. You might be scared of him but you knew he'd always defend you in public. The same clearly wasn't the case with Mancini.

The best managers (in any business) get the best out of everyone. Mancini didn't do that. Whether that was enough for him to be sacked is another matter, but man management wasn't a strong point

Fergie also claimed he has not had to use the famous ‘hairdryer’ as much as people think.
He said: “That’s overplayed, honestly. I’m fed up reading about it.”

[Hazy2]

I dont recall many people asking for Pelli to win the lot next season in fact most have asked for improved European and League campaign.

There is some right mardy heads about.

Wouldn't improving in league basically mean winning it?

No - it would mean being closer than 16 points behind the leaders with a few games to go.

Do u blame the players in anyway..

[lets all have a disco]

I dont recall many people asking for Pelli to win the lot next season in fact most have asked for improved European and League campaign.

There is some right mardy heads about.

Wouldn't improving in league basically mean winning it?

No - it would mean being closer than 16 points behind the leaders with a few games to go.

Do u blame the players in anyway..

The manager is in charge it's upto him to sort his team out.

Pardew is lucky to be in a job IMHO he did well last year motivating his players this year something isnt right and the buck stops with him.