What was Bobby"s biggest mistake?

[Slim]

If the reports are to be believed, and from I have heard at least the overall theme is in the ballpark, his biggest mistake has to be the mismanagement of Adam Johnson. Never understood how he went from this lightning quick, run at defenders, trickster to a laborious one trick pony.

[ross.mcfc]

If the reports are to be believed, and from I have heard at least the overall theme is in the ballpark, his biggest mistake has to be the mismanagement of Adam Johnson. Never understood how he went from this lightning quick, run at defenders, trickster to a laborious one trick pony.

Johnson was never a great player in the first place and does not have the mental attributes to make it as a top class football. Compare his off field conduct to that of Milners. I would argue that Johnson has more natural ability than Milner but will never have a career like Milner which will be littered with trophies and international caps.

He has not really pulled up any tree's away once he was free of Mancini. He was great and coming on at 3-0 and getting or setting up a 4th. I have came to appreciate that since he departed. Can't really recall any match winning performances when he started.

[Hazy2]

Not over seeing the recruitment of the players last pre - season, Rednose always makes sure the deal is done.He was 100% right he wanted fresh blood with hunger to also be winners, he wanted certain players in and maybe certain players out. That was the start. He has bollocked Hart, After Madrid, rightly as he has been a cock all season. Mancini has shown a fans passion when he has watched us play like a drain. He over protected Balo and set himself up with to many grey areas for other players. We have seen for the 1st time at our club the players down tools blow a cup final and get away with it. The Fa Cup final defeat was a massive two fingers to the manager and fans who chanted his name. He had to go I said it before the cup final, the fact remains some of those players he had sussed as wankers will be pissing themselfs now. As for Hart, under Pello, he better sort out his feet or he will be surplus to requirements as his keepers are expected to top notch on the floor. Be carefull what you wish for Joe...

[Ted Hughes]

Quite illuminating that from what I can see, none of the players who are frequent Tweeters (Kompany, Zabba, Lescott, Agüero etc) have said a dickybird since he was sacked

No best wishes

No good luck

No thanks for the last couple of years

Tells you all you need to know about their relationships IMO

Probably a club ban Ant.

Has anyone mentioned the League Cup defeat to Villa. WTF happened then? A dreadful Villa side outplayed a side of uninspired internationals, but at the time I guess we all pretended it didn't really happen!

If it was a club ban, one of the players would leak THAT to the press. All the evidence both on & off the pitch suggests they don't like him.

Tbf to Mancini though, it looks to me as if he has been on trial all season & the club have never backed him to the full extent even before the season started, in the market. How much that has affected his performance (which has been fucking useless in every aspect) cannot be judged, but I have had a feeling we have been treading water all season, & now I feel that's not just down to Bob.

The 5 year deal is a strange one initially, but that appears to have a get out clause in it & not have been worth the paper it was written on (which I thought would be the case). It's almost as if everybody wanted him out, but nobody had the balls to do it.

That's pretty unfair on the bloke, but fully in keeping with the way we pretended Hughes was here for the future, then sacked him.

All in all, best for both sides that it's over & perhaps both sides have made mistakes, & plenty of them.

Will either Mancini or City learn from it ?

[mcfc1632]

I've previously done this. I'm assuming you can't name any that we've lost?

I think that you have this right

I remember that we suffered at Anfield due to being 3 - 5 -2 - although that was a draw rather than a loss.

But - like you - I think that there have been a number of times when we have been struggling - perhaps having gone behind - and switched to this formation and recovered to draw or win.

I agree with Mancini's words many months ago that players should be able to adapt to different formations - it is the modern game.

With the right personnel switching between formations is a very powerful option to have..

FFS how many time has he got criticised for not having a plan B?? Yet he also gets cticised for being adaptable.

[Hazy2]

Quite illuminating that from what I can see, none of the players who are frequent Tweeters (Kompany, Zabba, Lescott, Agüero etc) have said a dickybird since he was sacked

No best wishes

No good luck

No thanks for the last couple of years

Tells you all you need to know about their relationships IMO

Probably a club ban Ant.

Has anyone mentioned the League Cup defeat to Villa. WTF happened then? A dreadful Villa side outplayed a side of uninspired internationals, but at the time I guess we all pretended it didn't really happen!

If it was a club ban, one of the players would leak THAT to the press. All the evidence both on & off the pitch suggests they don't like him.

Tbf to Mancini though, it looks to me as if he has been on trial all season & the club have never backed him to the full extent even before the season started, in the market. How much that has affected his performance (which has been fucking useless in every aspect) cannot be judged, but I have had a feeling we have been treading water all season, & now I feel that's not just down to Bob.

The 5 year deal is a strange one initially, but that appears to have a get out clause in it & not have been worth the paper it was written on (which I thought would be the case). It's almost as if everybody wanted him out, but nobody had the balls to do it.

That's pretty unfair on the bloke, but fully in keeping with the way we pretended Hughes was here for the future, then sacked him.

All in all, best for both sides that it's over & perhaps both sides have made mistakes, & plenty of them.

Will either Mancini or City learn from it ?

Ted, nice to see you back, when Mancini, has flipped it has been emotion which has him looking like a Fan, not a controlled manager, Fergi takes it out on the ref and gets back in the changing rooms to go fucking ballistic with a lockin for an hour calling out players behind closed doors. The club leaked like a siv last Friday/ Saturday all controlled and done to screw up the day. I wonder what the hell was going on last Saturday, the players have taken the piss, as it was a toss it off day. How do we lose to Wigan 73 goals in the onion bag they have had, If ever a game was to be investigated for lack of effort or bet on yourself that was it, No way are we losing to that shite if we are at it... That is the biggest crime of the season.

[Swales4ever]

to have a fanboy like fecklin Mancio4ever?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

to have a fanboy like fecklin Mancio4ever?

Mate, honestly, what I've learned on this over the time I've been posting here, which is over a decade now, is that if we get people heavily behind someone may it be player or manager the opposite view will get polarized as well. I don't blame you at all but people tend to go overboard the other way. I don't think people would have been posting as strongly about Mancini had you not been around. Then again, people blame Dzeko more than should because we've had some Bosnians guys. But this goes for lot of other players as well.

[Swales4ever]

to have a fanboy like fecklin Mancio4ever?

Mate, honestly, what I've learned on this over the time I've been posting here, which is over a decade now, is that if we get people heavily behind someone may it be player or manager the opposite view will get polarized as well. I don't blame you at all but people tend to go overboard the other way. I don't think people would have been posting as strongly about Mancini had you not been around. Then again, people blame Dzeko more than should because we've had some Bosnians guys. But this goes for lot of other players as well.

Lol Chief,

while I can endorse every word of that, Mate, it was just my usual poor attempt for a bit of bitter irony.

I am certainly a massive cunt, but not as much as self obsessed to think of any influence of me from a fan forum.... :-)

cheers nonetheless

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

to have a fanboy like fecklin Mancio4ever?

Mate, honestly, what I've learned on this over the time I've been posting here, which is over a decade now, is that if we get people heavily behind someone may it be player or manager the opposite view will get polarized as well. I don't blame you at all but people tend to go overboard the other way. I don't think people would have been posting as strongly about Mancini had you not been around. Then again, people blame Dzeko more than should because we've had some Bosnians guys. But this goes for lot of other players as well.

Lol Chief,

while I can endorse every word of that, Mate, it was just my usual poor attempt for a bit of bitter irony.

I am certainly a massive cunt, but not as much as self obsessed to think of any influence of me from a fan forum.... :-)

cheers nonetheless

I never called you a cunt mate. Was just saying.

[gillie]

Not letting Doug keep his pass:)

[Swales4ever]

I never called you a cunt mate. Was just saying.

I did, cause I certainly am, well, at least on my those days.
Nothing to argue with You nor with a couple of slaps from police service..... :-)

[MilnersJaw]

I've previously done this. I'm assuming you can't name any that we've lost?

in this thread?

the ajax game for example. we switched to it and got tore apart instantly.

everton

many other games where we have used it, while not lost, have struggled to win or draw. when we have used it, we usually concede two goals. while conceding two, doesn't necessarily mean we lose, doesn't mean we win either.

so which games won it. I recall the charity shield where we conceded two goals. who is to say we could still have scored 3 goals, but maybe not conceded two? some other game in the league where maicon came on. nothing really changed, we just kept pounding the team and scored. could have happened without maicon.

[Bluez]

His biggest mistake was that he was too one dimensional. He only had one way to manage players and that was being distant and critical. That works for some, but it doesn't for many. His way can work in the short term but over time he will lose too many players.

All the truly successful managers know more than one approach is needed.

[Im_Spartacus]

in this thread?

the ajax game for example. we switched to it and got tore apart instantly.

everton

many other games where we have used it, while not lost, have struggled to win or draw. when we have used it, we usually concede two goals. while conceding two, doesn't necessarily mean we lose, doesn't mean we win either.

so which games won it. I recall the charity shield where we conceded two goals. who is to say we could still have scored 3 goals, but maybe not conceded two? some other game in the league where maicon came on. nothing really changed, we just kept pounding the team and scored. could have happened without maicon.

Sporting lisbon and porto spring to mind, we murdered united with 10 men once we went to 3 at the back in the fa cup when vinny was sent off.

I thought it had its place in games where we were getting on top, but needed a different approach to score. His mistake was bringing it in when we werent fully in control of a game, as thats generally when it went tits up

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Not letting Doug keep his pass:)

That wasn't down to Mancini, by all accounts.

[dazby]

Tottenham at home was the big game where switching to a 3 worked a treat. West Brom away.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Not letting Doug keep his pass:)

That wasn't down to Mancini, by all accounts.

It wasn't. It was professional thing to do though. For me, training sessions should be only for players and restricted amount of members of staff. People will give me shit for saying that because IT'S DOUG we are talking about but you have to remember I enjoyed reading the priviledged training session reports as much as the next man. I'm just looking this at purely football point of view.

[john68]

Slagging off his players in public....Hart, Kompany, Richards, Tevez, Nasri...whoever else.....suicidal stuff. Sure fire way to undermine your standing with the collective. Sure it will fire up some but others, not at all, an makes you look like a disloyal "it is everyone's fault but mine" cunt.

In my job, where there is a very strict "pyramid" hierachy we were always told that, when you are lower down, if you fuck up then hold your hand up and tell someone. If the fuck up has managed to impact clients that is the fault of those higher up the chain who should have either spotted it or trained you/supervised you/managed you better so that this kind of thing didn't happen. The message was and is that the buck stops with the man at the top, that's why he is there.

Sure it's about a team and the collective but there is someone in ultimate charge for a reason and he should be man enough to shield those below him from public blame (..even if behind closed doors a different message is conveyed).

That, for me, is where he sowed the seeds of his own demise

Yer daft twat Ant...all that was Marwood...I remember you told me!!!

You spent too long over there Mate...you even posting about "COLLECTIVES"...:-)

[MilnersJaw]

Sporting lisbon and porto spring to mind, we murdered united with 10 men once we went to 3 at the back in the fa cup when vinny was sent off.

I thought it had its place in games where we were getting on top, but needed a different approach to score. His mistake was bringing it in when we werent fully in control of a game, as thats generally when it went tits up

Apart from I mention and the fa cup against the scum it has pretty much been a mistake. And on the rag game we still lost and had to go three at the back cos of the red card, we didn't exactly use it with a full team. Besides we got a goal from a free kick too, if it wasn't for that it would have been 3-1, not really a massive comeback