Mancini Poll

[Swales4ever]

I lived, studied, worked, loved, laughed and cried in Britain, was born by an family with a long lasting devotion for the British Culture, but I never thought myself more keen to the old say about the need to be part of a Nation in order to properly understand the sentiments of Its People and the process of their formation.

I see here that the usual bunch of rats has resurfaced in numbers from plugholes at the very first, long awaited, opportunity to vent their personal hatred for the man.
Nonetheless, I am compelled to state my astonishment, together with the awareness of my personal limits in understanding the phenomenon of disrespect and lack of recognition for a manager, whose only crime has been to turn a Club upside down and raise it from midtable mediocrity (in comparison to Its history, widespread support and prominence on the National Aristocracy of Football Clubs) to the global stages of the footballing world.

I want Mancini to stay because he is amongst the very shortlist of the world top managers, a proven winner and, more importantly, one of the very very few which have been proven able to build success from the foundation, in the two most demanding leagues in the world.

As I told several times, what I and other fans want is merely irrelevant in respect of what the Owner and Chairman want, and have been proved by the longest and most onerous contract renewal in the Club history, not less than 11 month ago.
I just find it outrageous the output of this poll - carefully started in the heat of a typical knee jerks reaction to a disappointing result - and I am very much convinced that if the same poll would have been presented to a board of rags - who notoriously have perceived Mancini as the major treat to their establishment since the day of his appointment - the output would have been higher that this ludicrous 10 pct. originated from the most prestigious of all City's fans forums, which I am proud to be part of.

I think this thread in itself is a shame and the result of the poll is an embarrassment for the well established reputation of this board.
I am also resigned to see many others along the way of the many years of Bob's tenure to come, along with the usual blossoming of dozens of speculations on the most improbable managers at every editing of gossip bollox on tabloids, season after season, as it comes bright as the sun that the percentage of haters in this board is fairly overrepresented in respect of the whole of the Blues.

[xavi6]

The thought of going back to square one with another manager who doesn't know the league gives me zero excitement.

Better the devil you know, especially when that devil has you top two in consecutive seasons.

[Tokyo Blue]

The thought of going back to square one with another manager who doesn't know the league gives me zero excitement.

Better the devil you know, especially when that devil has you top two in consecutive seasons.

This. And add a title and an FA Cup to that as well. It is not so bad. There are a lot of sheep round here who believe what the vipers in the press tell them.

Ah, talking of which...

@Piccs: Money is nice but we have just been hamstrung with regard to money. We have got loads more than anyone else but can only spend a fraction of it until such time as the rules are turned over. So bringing a new man in and giving him hundreds of millions to get the players he wants is no longer an option. This is the reality of football today.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

This. And add a title and an FA Cup to that as well. It is not so bad. There are a lot of sheep round here who believe what the vipers in the press tell them.

Ah, talking of which...

@Piccs: Money is nice but we have just been hamstrung with regard to money. We have got loads more than anyone else but can only spend a fraction of it until such time as the rules are turned over. So bringing a new man in and giving him hundreds of millions to get the players he wants is no longer an option. This is the reality of football today.

Hang on. Mancini wants to spend big too. He is constantly complaining he hasn't been able to add to our already expensively assembled squad. That is why we have loads of threads on who we might sign. It seems to be universally expected we will be lashing out this year, so your point is hardly valid.

[zuricity]

Hang on. Mancini wants to spend big too. He is constantly complaining he hasn't been able to add to our already expensively assembled squad. That is why we have loads of threads on who we might sign. It seems to be universally expected we will be lashing out this year, so your point is hardly valid.

Mancini doesn't want to spend big, he wants to spend wisely.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Mancini doesn't want to spend big, he wants to spend wisely.

That's a very glib statement, we'd all like him to spend wisely. But one of the most common excuses we hear for him is how he didn't get his number one targets. They cost big money. And this summer, the likes of Cavani won't exactly come cheap.
Bob has spunked millions in the transfer market with mixed results, Kolarov, Dzeko, Balotelli and Nasri alone cost around ninety million sniffs without really providing great results and that's before you include the questionable purchases last summer.

[Tokyo Blue]

This. And add a title and an FA Cup to that as well. It is not so bad. There are a lot of sheep round here who believe what the vipers in the press tell them.

Ah, talking of which...

@Piccs: Money is nice but we have just been hamstrung with regard to money. We have got loads more than anyone else but can only spend a fraction of it until such time as the rules are turned over. So bringing a new man in and giving him hundreds of millions to get the players he wants is no longer an option. This is the reality of football today.

Hang on. Mancini wants to spend big too. He is constantly complaining he hasn't been able to add to our already expensively assembled squad. That is why we have loads of threads on who we might sign. It seems to be universally expected we will be lashing out this year, so your point is hardly valid.

Yes, it is. Wholesale rebuilding of the squad, which could be up to eight or nine players or even more, for a new manager will cost a lot more than two or three quality additions for the current manager. I know analytical thinking is not your strong point because you think won 8 drawn 5 and lost 4 away from home is "average at best" - still waiting for your proof on that one by the way - but even you should be able to work this one out. The more players you need, the more money it will cost. And new managers want more players. And our spending power is limited. And it will be a lot harder to shift the players he does not want because of their inflated salaries. I can't put that any simpler. If you want to put your fingers in your ears and ignore what's staring you in the face, that's your look-out.

Plus it will take time. Time to assess and time to get the players he wants in and time to get them working together. And time is something you are not prepared to give. And don't say you are - it is only 12 months ago today that we won the league. You didn't even give the bloke five months after winning the title before you wanted him out. How long will the next guy get?

I wonder where the patience of some City fans has disappeared to. Same place as their capability for rational thought, I suppose.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Yes, it is. Wholesale rebuilding of the squad, which could be up to eight or nine players or even more, for a new manager will cost a lot more than two or three quality additions for the current manager. I know analytical thinking is not your strong point because you think won 8 drawn 5 and lost 4 away from home is "average at best" - still waiting for your proof on that one by the way - but even you should be able to work this one out. The more players you need, the more money it will cost. And new managers want more players. And our spending power is limited. And it will be a lot harder to shift the players he does not want because of their inflated salaries. I can't put that any simpler. If you want to put your fingers in your ears and ignore what's staring you in the face, that's your look-out.

Plus it will take time. Time to assess and time to get the players he wants in and time to get them working together. And time is something you are not prepared to give. And don't say you are - it is only 12 months ago today that we won the league. You didn't even give the bloke five months after winning the title before you wanted him out. How long will the next guy get?

I wonder where the patience of some City fans has disappeared to. Same place as their capability for rational thought, I suppose.

Ahhh the famous "time to gel" arguement. Have you not noticed we are getting worse, not better?
What evidence have you Pelligrini or any other manager for that matter, would want to make wholesale changes to a squad of already decent players or that they would want to spend more than Bob, who has already stated he didn't get the players he wanted?

[zuricity]

That's a very glib statement, we'd all like him to spend wisely. But one of the most common excuses we hear for him is how he didn't get his number one targets. They cost big money. And this summer, the likes of Cavani won't exactly come cheap.
Bob has spunked millions in the transfer market with mixed results, Kolarov, Dzeko, Balotelli and Nasri alone cost around ninety million sniffs without really providing great results and that's before you include the questionable purchases last summer.

There is nothing glib at all.

The four players you mentioned were part of the premier league winning team of last season. You stupidly suggest Mancini 'spunked' away the money. How do you know he wanted to pay so much?. Also , what you fail to consider is how much we got for Ballo. So he wasn't all that expensive was he?

More importantly , those players brought our first title since the sixties.

Without providing great results you say. Were you around last season ? we won the league . the year before that , the FA Cup.

stop wasting peoples time with such nonsense

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

There is nothing glib at all.

The four players you mentioned were part of the premier league winning team of last season. You stupidly suggest Mancini 'spunked' away the money. How do you know he wanted to pay so much?. Also , what you fail to consider is how much we got for Ballo. So he wasn't all that expensive was he?

More importantly , those players brought our first title since the sixties.

Without providing great results you say. Were you around last season ? we won the league . the year before that , the FA Cup.

stop wasting peoples time with such nonsense

Take a look at the comments on these players day in, day out. Balo has gone and the majority wanted him out, the others are all considered as expendable, and not likely to be missed. I wonder what a poll on their value for money would suggest?
You are also forgetting the large amount paid in wages to these players, (including Balo), so yeah, they have cost a bloody fortune.
But if you're happy with them, I suppose that's ok.

[zuricity]

Take a look at the comments on these players day in, day out. Balo has gone and the majority wanted him out, the others are all considered as expendable, and not likely to be missed. I wonder what a poll on their value for money would suggest?
You are also forgetting the large amount paid in wages to these players, (including Balo), so yeah, they have cost a bloody fortune.
But if you're happy with them, I suppose that's ok.

Oh deary me, the majority wanted balo out? who are the 'majority' ? players? fans? the media ?

You are putting new irrelevancies in the argument, because your comments are ill thought and biased because you don't like Mancini. Also , your comments are incorrect.

These players have won the best competitions in England.

It looks like we will finish second this season.

this squad has enough PL experience to win it next season. Some additions needed.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Mancini is a poor manager get over it

I honestly have no idea when you started following City but after watching the complete fucking clowns like Ball, Coppell, Hughes, Clark etc running the show one time or another, I would never make retarded comment like that. Did he fail this season? Yeah. Did I expect more from players this year? Yeah. Did I expect us to win the cup? Yeah. But I would never ever call feller who has won us league title and FA cup 'poor manager'.

I also find the people expecting Pellegrini hilarious. They have no idea what sort of third rate manager we are talking about.

I wouldn't call Pellegrini third rate. He may not be the best manager but third rate?

I would and if we had this guy I fear vast majority would agree by christmas.
People will point out him bringing Villareal and Mallorca record setting seasons. Point they are handily forgetting is that both cases he took over team who all of the sudden had tons of money to spend. What has he ever won though? Ten years in Europe running teams with lot of money to spend and he has fuck all to show for it. Fuck all.

In Real they gave him Tranaldo, Xabi Alonso and Karim Benzema. What did he do with them? Sweet fuck all that's it. And when he got the sack he was moaning that he couldn't make his own transfer decisions.

I swear that anyone, ANYONE, who claims that this guy will be improvement on Mancini doesn't know what they are talking about. For them it's just exotic name that isn't Mancini.

Honestly, there are three names that you could almost guarantee to be better than Mancini in short term. Those are Taggart and Mourinho. I personally don't want Mourinho because he would fuck us up in long term although he would bring results short term. You could also make a good case for Jurgen Klopp. That's pretty much it. I don't see many managers around who could match Mancini for pedigree. Certainly not joker like Pellegrini. If we'd appoint Pellegrini we would end up in loop the Chelsea did after getting rid of Mourinho. Managers would come and go every seven months to give it a crack. I don't want that.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Take a look at the comments on these players day in, day out. Balo has gone and the majority wanted him out, the others are all considered as expendable, and not likely to be missed. I wonder what a poll on their value for money would suggest?
You are also forgetting the large amount paid in wages to these players, (including Balo), so yeah, they have cost a bloody fortune.
But if you're happy with them, I suppose that's ok.

Oh deary me, the majority wanted balo out? who are the 'majority' ? players? fans? the media ?

You are putting new irrelevancies in the argument, because your comments are ill thought and biased because you don't like Mancini. Also , your comments are incorrect.

These players have won the best competitions in England.

It looks like we will finish second this season.

this squad has enough PL experience to win it next season. Some additions needed.

So if we spend some money we can win the Premier League back?
Yes I meant the majority of fans wanted him gone.
I'm curious to know which of the four players mentioned you think has been good value for money.

[dazby]

I want Mancini to stay because I think he's a good manager. But let's face it. About a dozen managers could win trophies at our club. It's just a matter of how many and which are the best fit.

[Bleed_Blue]

PSG eye Mancini (Goal.com)

The Manchester City manager has been included in a list of potential successors to Carlo Ancelotti, but he has also been linked with replacing Claudio Ranieri at big-spending Monaco.

I would like Mancini to get a high profile job soon, so that it would help him move on & also because he deserves

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

This. And add a title and an FA Cup to that as well. It is not so bad. There are a lot of sheep round here who believe what the vipers in the press tell them.

Ah, talking of which...

@Piccs: Money is nice but we have just been hamstrung with regard to money. We have got loads more than anyone else but can only spend a fraction of it until such time as the rules are turned over. So bringing a new man in and giving him hundreds of millions to get the players he wants is no longer an option. This is the reality of football today.

Hang on. Mancini wants to spend big too. He is constantly complaining he hasn't been able to add to our already expensively assembled squad. That is why we have loads of threads on who we might sign. It seems to be universally expected we will be lashing out this year, so your point is hardly valid.

Yes, it is. Wholesale rebuilding of the squad, which could be up to eight or nine players or even more, for a new manager will cost a lot more than two or three quality additions for the current manager. I know analytical thinking is not your strong point because you think won 8 drawn 5 and lost 4 away from home is "average at best" - still waiting for your proof on that one by the way - but even you should be able to work this one out. The more players you need, the more money it will cost. And new managers want more players. And our spending power is limited. And it will be a lot harder to shift the players he does not want because of their inflated salaries. I can't put that any simpler. If you want to put your fingers in your ears and ignore what's staring you in the face, that's your look-out.

Plus it will take time. Time to assess and time to get the players he wants in and time to get them working together. And time is something you are not prepared to give. And don't say you are - it is only 12 months ago today that we won the league. You didn't even give the bloke five months after winning the title before you wanted him out. How long will the next guy get?

I wonder where the patience of some City fans has disappeared to. Same place as their capability for rational thought, I suppose.

Right lets tackle this away form and your semantics on "average at best"
This season, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and Filth have all secured more away points than us. Strangley, filth have ten points more away from home. Add those points on and we're still in with a chance of the title.
From the point that i expressed concern about, (Christmas 2012)our record in all comps away from The Etihad is won 17, drawn 8, lost 13. The equivalent of 59 points from 38 games. Around a point and a half a game. Nowhere near enough to win the league. Pretty average in fact.
How about his record away from home in Europe?
Won 4, drawn 2, lost 8. And three of those wins were against Timisoara, Salzburg and a bottom of the group and injury hit Villareal. I think that counts as below average really.

While you piss about, going on about what average means, the point I made has been proved pertinent. Our away form has continued to cost us.
It has cost us in Europe and has probably cost us the title.

[lets all have a disco]

I have not enjoyed this season one bit,weve been poor a lot of the time.

Poor tactics
Weak arse perfomances
Loads of points behind the rags
Lost the cup

Yadda yadda the list goes on and the buck does stop at the manager i'm all for stability but if there is a better man out there then its the clubs duty to get them.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I have not enjoyed this season one bit,weve been poor a lot of the time.

Poor tacrics
Weak arse perfomances
Loads of points behind the rags
Lost the cup

Yadda yadda the list goes on and the buck does stop at the manager i'm all for stability but if there is a better man out there then its the clubs duty to get them.

That's about the size of it.

[Chinners]

Whilst this season has not seen the heights of the previous one I think we'd be stark raving bonkers to sack a manager for finishing second and reaching a cup final. Even Swales would think twice about doing that. Mancini deserves another season at least especially now the tramp has retired.

[Spurge]

The poll speak for it self. I think he will be replaced.
What is the tactic when your team is chasing a goal and you take of Carlos and replace him with Jack Rodwell?
I don't get it.

What you also don't get that at the time of your post 64% of people have chosen for Mancini to stay either becasue he brings stability or because they want Mancini, so you may want to rewrite your post or do the math!