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Posted: **Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:33 am**

the_georgian_genius wrote:
Arjan Van Schotte wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Arjan Van Schotte wrote:like the players actually give a flying fuck about the fans.

unless they're buying the merch.

One of them bought a bunch of foster kids tickets and made personal dvd invites to each. I'd say he cares.

i'd say you're probably right. he cares about as much as i do when i drop £2 in a charity bucket. i'm yet to meet a socialist footballer.

who was that by the way? jurgen klinsman or ned?

If i was a player playing for a football club i wouldn't give two shits about the fans.

But them same fans would be keeping you in austerity mate by paying to see you play shite week in week out go figure!.

Posted: **Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:34 am**

gillie wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:
Arjan Van Schotte wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Arjan Van Schotte wrote:like the players actually give a flying fuck about the fans.

unless they're buying the merch.

One of them bought a bunch of foster kids tickets and made personal dvd invites to each. I'd say he cares.

i'd say you're probably right. he cares about as much as i do when i drop £2 in a charity bucket. i'm yet to meet a socialist footballer.

who was that by the way? jurgen klinsman or ned?

If i was a player playing for a football club i wouldn't give two shits about the fans.

But them same fans would be keeping you in austerity mate by paying to see you play shite week in week out go figure!.

I'd just pay lip service to them, saying what I thought they wanted to hear, taking advice from my agent.

Posted: **Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:42 am**

I still think it was an excellent post Tokyo and an issue that needs to be looked at. It began with the fans but seems to have swerved back to the players/team. The issue that Tokyo is attempting to analyse and debate, is not what the team does but what we as fans do and how we react and interact with the team and the club, especially during the games.

I once read that "football was theatre, with the exception that the audience could actually influence what took place on the stage"...How true.
Liverpool's Koppites were the 1st football choir. I stood in there in 1963-64. I had never experienced anything like it. As the Kop evolved, it was said to be worth a goal to the team, such was the power it exerted over events. Frannie was the last to score against them at the Kop end for Bolton and it was 18 months before another goal was scored there...also by Frannie for City. The Kop was a powerful force for Liverpool.
Our Kippax was started in 1964 in order to get behind the team, to push City players on to loftier heights and greater efforts. If a goal was scored against us, we screamed "City...City" to drown out the opposing fans and push the Blues to hit back. We seldom went quiet. Silence,to us was failure. We were the Kippax and it was our DUTY as SUPPORTERS to do just that...SUPPORT.
Mike Summerbee tells of full backs and wingers who visibly wilted when they had to play on the Kippax touchline. he acknowledges that it made his job easier.
I acknowledge that City fans did have their scapegoats in Bowyer and Owen (Bobby) but as a general rule, It was our job to lift our team and abuse opponents and refs verbally and loudly...and we were fuclin good at it.

It not only amazes me but to some extent it disgusts me that this attitude seems to have been lost to so many Blues of today. I hate the attitude of "I have paid my money...so you had better entertain me". To me they are not supporters, they don't support. They are customers who are buying a commodity and demand a return on their investment. The Kippites often left the ground moaning and crying at the poor fare served up but usually they did so with hoarse voices, having done their level best to create an atmosphere in which the team could flourish. Yep, we could moan just as good as you lot. But you lot can't shout as long and as hard as we could.

I repeat...
"ASK NOT WHAT MANCHESTER CITY CAN DO FOR YOU...BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR MANCHESTER CITY.

That was from the heart...and there is plenty more where that came from.

Posted: **Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:44 am**

gillie wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:
Arjan Van Schotte wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Arjan Van Schotte wrote:like the players actually give a flying fuck about the fans.

unless they're buying the merch.

One of them bought a bunch of foster kids tickets and made personal dvd invites to each. I'd say he cares.

i'd say you're probably right. he cares about as much as i do when i drop £2 in a charity bucket. i'm yet to meet a socialist footballer.

who was that by the way? jurgen klinsman or ned?

If i was a player playing for a football club i wouldn't give two shits about the fans.

But them same fans would be keeping you in austerity mate by paying to see you play shite week in week out go figure!.

depends what level, a premier league players wages is not paid for by the fans, if it was lower down the leagues i still wouldn't give a shit. Do you give a shit to the person or people who pay your wages?

Posted: **Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:57 am**

What the fuck has this thread got to do with the players? Whether they are ashamed of their performances is a matter for tons of other active threads.
Why are you ducking and dodging the issue that Tokyo raised...IS IT BECAUSE YOU'RE ASHAMED AT YOUR OWN PERFORMANCE?

Posted: **Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:42 pm**

john68 wrote:What the fuck has this thread got to do with the players? Whether they are ashamed of their performances is a matter for tons of other active threads.
Why are you ducking and dodging the issue that Tokyo raised...IS IT BECAUSE YOU'RE ASHAMED AT YOUR OWN PERFORMANCE?

Not me pal, I sing regardless (the beer helps), but it does become difficult when we see performances like we are now.

Posted: **Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:32 am**

Beefymcfc wrote:
john68 wrote:What the fuck has this thread got to do with the players? Whether they are ashamed of their performances is a matter for tons of other active threads.
Why are you ducking and dodging the issue that Tokyo raised...IS IT BECAUSE YOU'RE ASHAMED AT YOUR OWN PERFORMANCE?

Not me pal, I sing regardless (the beer helps), but it does become difficult when we see performances like we are now.

You are therefore exonerated from blame Beefers....:-)

Posted: **Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:48 am**

Beefymcfc wrote:
john68 wrote:What the fuck has this thread got to do with the players? Whether they are ashamed of their performances is a matter for tons of other active threads.
Why are you ducking and dodging the issue that Tokyo raised...IS IT BECAUSE YOU'RE ASHAMED AT YOUR OWN PERFORMANCE?

Not me pal, I sing regardless (the beer helps), but it does become difficult when we see performances like we are now.

You are therefore exonerated from blame Beefers....:-)

Posted: **Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:11 am**

John that was one of the most well put posts ive have seen in my time here, ive been trying to say that on here but not as good as you have just done it. When i go i scream my heart out and join in with every single song, but when you have fans that just sit around silent you do feel as though your interupting their game so you end up sitting down and looking over at the south stand and thinking WHY CANT I BE OVER THEIR WITH YOU LOT " REAL SUPPORTERS"

I remember maine road and the hairs used to satnd up on the back of my neck nearly every time and the only time its done that since is the derby last year when the rags let of flares. I missed the hamburg game so i missed that but the players feed of our noise and urgency, when the atmosphere is flat the players are flat simple as.

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:13 pm**

I suppose it depends on a person's opinion.
"Do I pay my money and wait to be entertained?"
"Do I attempt to lift the players in an attempt to influence the outcome of the game?"

I think attitudes to this have significantly changed, not only at city but in society too.

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:14 pm**

I think the price of match tickets has had an effect on attitude too, personally (speaking generally).

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:18 pm**

Dameerto wrote:I think the price of match tickets has had an effect on attitude too, personally (speaking generally).

That depends on how much you've got. For some of us a ticket is a hefty sum to pay. Especially if you travel ridiculous distances to get to CoMS. For others, the price of a season ticket is a drop in the ocean.

Regardless, getting on the teams back and scapegoating individual players will not help us win. So what's the point of it?

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:23 pm**

saulman wrote:
Dameerto wrote:I think the price of match tickets has had an effect on attitude too, personally (speaking generally).

That depends on how much you've got. For some of us a ticket is a hefty sum to pay. Especially if you travel ridiculous distances to get to CoMS. For others, the price of a season ticket is a drop in the ocean.

Regardless, getting on the teams back and scapegoating individual players will not help us win. So what's the point of it?

Does anybody actually believe that this is borne of this one game?

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:23 pm**

Dameerto wrote:I think the price of match tickets has had an effect on attitude too, personally (speaking generally).

Maybe I'm being naive about our owners, but they did make statements about it being 'affordable to fans' when they came here. Then Platini came along with his ideas and they've had to accelerate all revenue streams to satisfy this madness.

Before that - even if the end motivation was entirely financial and not prestige - I believe they would've waited for success/guaranteed audiences of 60,000 before turning the financial screw - although the evil ones in Mordor are now paying the price for such greed.

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:34 pm**

What a great post John, a few of us on this board will remember the days when the kippax was rocking, no matter how we played. I can honestly say I have never heard booing at Maine Road like we have had a few times at Eastlands. If the booers (is that a word) were as loud getting behind the team, then I do think we could create that twelth man effect.

I have to admit though, booing isnt just consigned to City, virtually all fans do it nowadays. Its the "we want it and we want it now" society that we live in today. I know as fans we think we have had a hard time in recent years, multiplied by the fact the scum have been winning everything in sight, but supporters of other clubs have been through much worse. Some fans, no matter the size of the club they support have seen their teams win nothing in their entire history and worse disappear altogether.

As a season ticket holder of 35 years standing, 80 odd different away grounds and 10 different countries watching City, I call on you all to back us from start to finish and leave the moans,groans and boos to the pubs and forums like this one.

As we are doing famous quotes, how about this one, I think it was Aramis:

ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:45 pm**

Tokyo Blue wrote:Fans need to realise that the game at City has changed over the last two seasons. The way opposing managers and players looked at us has changed beyond recognition.

The Past.

City are shite. if you work hard and keep it tight for twenty or thirty minutes, you can shut the crowd up and then pick them off once the crowd turn on their own. They have no players of any real talent. They are hard-working enough but ultimately a soft touch. Any game at City is potentially a piece of piss. Any team can go there and win.

Now.

City have got two or three players that might just get into a World XI. If you go there, you need to defend properly, preferably in numbers, and deny their creative players any space at all to work in. If they get space, they score. They don't make a lot of chances but the ones they do make they generally put away. In short they are a highly efficient outfit. This means that you MUST NOT make mistakes. If by chance you do make one, we need to have plenty of cover to hope to retrieve the situation. Therefore I want to see all of you focussing on defence. Counter attack quickly if you get the chance, but this is going to be hard as their defensive five don't get forward a great deal. A draw is probably the best we can get here, though the fickleness of their fans is starting to become an issue again as they may start to get on the backs of their players if the conditions are right. This may be our best chance but it is only possible if we keep their top players under control.

Now this clearly has repercussions for fans.

Anyone going expecting to see 11-goal thrillers is going to be disappointed. Key point coming up. This is not always City's fault.

The opposition come to stifle us. It is a compliment. It means they are scared of us because we are good. It results in porr games mopst of the time. This does not mean we are shite, or that our players are shite, or that our manager is shite. It means the oppostion are scared and know that they need to be at their very, very best defensively to get anything other than a defeat. You might not like me saying this, but we are now in the position that liverpool were in thirty years ago or that united were in ten years ago. Poor matches are not totally City's fault. Sometimes the other team play well. This is the nature of sport. Think how many shit matches the crowds at the fleapit or Anfield have had to sit through becasue the opposition have no other ambition than to just stifle the home team. Did they moan like fuck about it? No they didn't. They backed their team like fans are supposed to do. They don't go around wanting to sack their manager simply because they've a had a couple of fucking goalless draws.

What fans need to do is understand this and still get behind the team. Despite all the high salaries and the money being spent and the lack of players that we can identify with, the role of the fan has changed in only one respect - we now need a bit more patience than we had before. Other than that our job is no different. We still need to go to the games and make some fucking noise. Make the place intimidating like it used to be on derby day when we were shit.

Right.

Anyone who goes to the game not prepared to sing themselves hoarse for the cause can fuck off to the Opera House.

Anyone who thinks we have got a divine right to play free-flowing football and win 12-0 every fucking week is a gibbering idiot who fails to grasp the reality of today's professional game.

Anyone who wants to sack the manager when the club is in its current position, a league place higher than we have finished for the last 33 years and joint top of our group in Europe, is a fucking cretin who has shown that they are thick enough to believe what they read in the media.

Best fans in the world? God's own club? Fucking bollocks. Sort your fucking selves out and start behaving like proper football fans instead of spoilt fucking babies.

No offense but that's a fucking AWFUL post. One of the worst I've read on any City forum in a while.

The only spoilt (sic) babies are internet warriors like yourself who think it's big and clever to slag off fellow blues, because they don't agree with you on the manager.

And while we're on the subject fella, can you please name one City manager in the last 30 years who was sacked and then went on to do anything of any note at another club???

I've left a coupe of City forums in recent months because they are infested with posters like you - it'd be a shame if I had to leave this one too.

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:55 pm**

edgeley blue wrote:What a great post John, a few of us on this board will remember the days when the kippax was rocking, no matter how we played. I can honestly say I have never heard booing at Maine Road like we have had a few times at Eastlands. If the booers (is that a word) were as loud getting behind the team, then I do think we could create that twelth man effect.

I have to admit though, booing isnt just consigned to City, virtually all fans do it nowadays. Its the "we want it and we want it now" society that we live in today. I know as fans we think we have had a hard time in recent years, multiplied by the fact the scum have been winning everything in sight, but supporters of other clubs have been through much worse. Some fans, no matter the size of the club they support have seen their teams win nothing in their entire history and worse disappear altogether.

As a season ticket holder of 35 years standing, 80 odd different away grounds and 10 different countries watching City, I call on you all to back us from start to finish and leave the moans,groans and boos to the pubs and forums like this one.

As we are doing famous quotes, how about this one, I think it was Aramis:

ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL

Top post, hat off to You, Sir!

I wish I would entitled to spend the same words as You are!

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:06 pm**

To be fair to you Mancio, you know a damned siight more English than I do Italian!!

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:16 pm**

edgeley blue wrote:To be fair to you Mancio, you know a damned siight more English than I do Italian!!

Perhaps You're right, Mate... for what it's worth.
Maybe, if You don't, there is actually is a good reason for.... :-)

Cheers.

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:18 pm**

MANCIO4EVER wrote:
edgeley blue wrote:To be fair to you Mancio, you know a damned siight more English than I do Italian!!

Perhaps You're right, Mate... for what it's worth.
Maybe, if You don't there actually is a good reason for.... :-)

Cheers.

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