pellegrini

Here is the place to talk about all things city and football!

Re: pellegrini

Postby Socrates » Thu May 16, 2013 3:41 am

Saul Goodman wrote:Not taking a shot at you, but what is the issue with age? Depending on when his birthday is, he will either be 59 or 60...SAF went until he was 71 and he probably could've done another season....


I want us to have an SAF, someone who can build a dynasty, that by definition requires a younger manager. IF we can't find that then I want to see a big stage winner who has been there and done it. Pellegrini falls short of that. I'm not saying there is no chance of him doing well, just a lower percentage chance than I would like to see.
Manchester : New York : Melbourne : Yokohama
User avatar
Socrates
Pellegrini's Hoodie
 
Posts: 22681
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:08 am
Supporter of: st marks (gorton)

Re: pellegrini

Postby Saul Goodman » Thu May 16, 2013 4:14 am

Socrates wrote:
Saul Goodman wrote:Not taking a shot at you, but what is the issue with age? Depending on when his birthday is, he will either be 59 or 60...SAF went until he was 71 and he probably could've done another season....


I want us to have an SAF, someone who can build a dynasty, that by definition requires a younger manager. IF we can't find that then I want to see a big stage winner who has been there and done it. Pellegrini falls short of that. I'm not saying there is no chance of him doing well, just a lower percentage chance than I would like to see.

I get your point. Having a winning manager for 20 years is better than 4 winning managers for 5 years apiece.
Getting 10 years or so out of Pellegrini, if he does come and is successful, wouldnt be too bad.
User avatar
Saul Goodman
Joe Hart's 29 Clean Sheets
 
Posts: 5412
Joined: Tue May 14, 2013 5:18 am
Location: Toronto
Supporter of: Manchester City
My favourite player is: Bernardo Silva

Re: pellegrini

Postby zuricity » Thu May 16, 2013 5:00 am

Saul Goodman wrote:I get your point. Having a winning manager for 20 years is better than 4 winning managers for 5 years apiece.
Getting 10 years or so out of Pellegrini, if he does come and is successful, wouldnt be too bad.


if it's all about winning trophies , it doesn't matter how long a coach stays. Chelsea have proved that again. And we tonked them four times this season !

Mancini brought all the important things together and was very successful , perhaps beating expectations.

The chairnan has signalled a revolving door option from now on. He wants trophies every season.

There's no point in letting emotion affect your thoughts on the next manager, because any slip up means the next one will be brought in.

The idea of a Dynasty under one Manager is not the way ahead. Things worked in the rags favour to enable it. You've only got to look at other managers with a dynasty ,Moyes at Everton , won nowt, Wenger at the Arse... nowt in 7 (8 now ?) .

If for example, we got Messi. Barca would most likely win nothing for a few years until they regrouped and developed a new style of play, ( they weren't always tiki taki)

The danger is our Chairman has set a no tolerance of failure ( trophies must be won) policy . Holistic ? , just another bluff tactic.

Bringing on youngsters ? holistically ? we might get one or two. The dream of an entire team coming through the ranks , is just that, it will take a decade at least .Pixie and Dixie will be gone by then, found out , just like at Barca.
Roberto Mancini deserved another season to get more trophies under his belt, the Chairman let him down there.

Pellegrini ? i can't see it happening with him, but if it means we have Isco signed up for the next five years perhaps that is the price we pay.

For immediate gratification , only Jose will now do and i suppose i'll have to be quiet about Jose cos i can't stand his arrogance and negativity( style of play and tactics) but it has brought trophies.
zuricity
Allison's Big Fat Cigar
 
Posts: 18441
Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:54 pm
Location: Zuerich,ch

Re: pellegrini

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Thu May 16, 2013 5:08 am

I'm not sure that it does signify a revolving door policy. I'm not convinced the new man HAS to win a trophy. The problems with Mancini were far more deep seated than that.
Piccsnumberoneblue
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Pablo Zabaleta's Manc Accent
 
Posts: 13353
Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:09 pm
Location: Weirdosville.
Supporter of: Us

Re: pellegrini

Postby zuricity » Thu May 16, 2013 5:23 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I'm not sure that it does signify a revolving door policy. I'm not convinced the new man HAS to win a trophy. The problems with Mancini were far more deep seated than that.


What is he coming for ? if he's not going to win trophies ? for a nice pay off ? get City to play great football( we do ) ? another Arsenal ? boring champs league losses in the quarter finals ?

he might as well stay in Spain, at least it's warmer and taxes are lower

Besides, you have had a personal vendetta all season against Mancini, exactly because we weren't winning trophies !
zuricity
Allison's Big Fat Cigar
 
Posts: 18441
Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:54 pm
Location: Zuerich,ch

Re: pellegrini

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Thu May 16, 2013 5:45 am

zuricity wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I'm not sure that it does signify a revolving door policy. I'm not convinced the new man HAS to win a trophy. The problems with Mancini were far more deep seated than that.


What is he coming for ? if he's not going to win trophies ? for a nice pay off ? get City to play great football( we do ) ? another Arsenal ? boring champs league losses in the quarter finals ?

he might as well stay in Spain, at least it's warmer and taxes are lower

Besides, you have had a personal vendetta all season against Mancini, exactly because we weren't winning trophies !


I'm just saying that not winning a trophy might not necessarily mean he gets the boot.

Of course I want to win trophies. I think we can win more than under Mancini.
We HAVE to do better in Europe, we are missing out on millions in revenue by failing so dismally.

I don't have a personal vendetta against Mancini, I just don't think he was very good.
City and sniffing knickers.
Come on Blues.
Piccsnumberoneblue
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Pablo Zabaleta's Manc Accent
 
Posts: 13353
Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:09 pm
Location: Weirdosville.
Supporter of: Us

Re: pellegrini

Postby Blue Oli » Thu May 16, 2013 6:00 am

I don't go with all this Spanish and Italian coach shit - stick with our own - Harry's free?
Blue Oli
Robinho's Step Over
 
Posts: 282
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:01 pm
Supporter of: Manchester City
My favourite player is: Paul Power

Re: pellegrini

Postby aaron bond » Thu May 16, 2013 6:00 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
zuricity wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I'm not sure that it does signify a revolving door policy. I'm not convinced the new man HAS to win a trophy. The problems with Mancini were far more deep seated than that.


What is he coming for ? if he's not going to win trophies ? for a nice pay off ? get City to play great football( we do ) ? another Arsenal ? boring champs league losses in the quarter finals ?

he might as well stay in Spain, at least it's warmer and taxes are lower

Besides, you have had a personal vendetta all season against Mancini, exactly because we weren't winning trophies !


I'm just saying that not winning a trophy might not necessarily mean he gets the boot.

Of course I want to win trophies. I think we can win more than under Mancini.
We HAVE to do better in Europe, we are missing out on millions in revenue by failing so dismally.

I don't have a personal vendetta against Mancini, I just don't think he was very good.


I agree that it doesn't signify a revolving door policy.

Mancini was with us for 3.5 years - that's a reasonable amount of time. It was not a matter of months as Chelsea have had with AVB, Benitez or di Matteo, so any comparison to them is stupid.

I liked Mancini and will always appreciate what he did for us, but after our dreadful FA Cup Final performance, and that it seems as if he fell out with a lot of people within the club, it feels like the right time for a change.

I like stability, and we had that with Mancini, who was one of our longest serving managers in the past 40 years! Ok, it wasn't as long as Taggart, Moyes or Wenger, but for our club that was pretty stable.

Pellegrini, or whoever comes in, will be challenged with winning each competition we enter. If he doesn't, but we make a damn good attempt at winning, and he's willing to play an active role in Khaldoon, Soriano and Begiristain's vision for the club, then I would be very surprised to see him sacked after one season.
aaron bond
Dickov's Injury Time Equaliser
 
Posts: 4725
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:11 pm
Location: Singapore
Supporter of: City

Re: pellegrini

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Thu May 16, 2013 6:24 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I'm not sure that it does signify a revolving door policy. I'm not convinced the new man HAS to win a trophy. The problems with Mancini were far more deep seated than that.


It is impression I have as well.
User avatar
Cocacolajojo1
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Dickov's Injury Time Equaliser
 
Posts: 4526
Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:42 pm
Location: Umeå
Supporter of: MCFC
My favourite player is: Ireland 08-09

Re: pellegrini

Postby pepsi_dave » Thu May 16, 2013 6:38 am

Revolving door or not, I firmly believe that what tweedle dee and tweedle dum are doing is ensuring that stability runs right through the club, from them, right down to all the coaches/physios etc, it is they who will employ these, not each manager. The only variable is the manager/head coach. Regardless of how many come and go, the approach stays the same, there is no uprooting of backroom staff etc. another man comes in and hey presto it's business as normal.
User avatar
pepsi_dave
De Jong's Tackle
 
Posts: 1223
Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:29 pm
Location: East Didders
Supporter of: Gods Own Club
My favourite player is: Aguero

Re: pellegrini

Postby zuricity » Thu May 16, 2013 6:40 am

aaron bond wrote:
I agree that it doesn't signify a revolving door policy.

Mancini was with us for 3.5 years - that's a reasonable amount of time. It was not a matter of months as Chelsea have had with AVB, Benitez or di Matteo, so any comparison to them is stupid.

I liked Mancini and will always appreciate what he did for us, but after our dreadful FA Cup Final performance, and that it seems as if he fell out with a lot of people within the club, it feels like the right time for a change.

I like stability, and we had that with Mancini, who was one of our longest serving managers in the past 40 years! Ok, it wasn't as long as Taggart, Moyes or Wenger, but for our club that was pretty stable.

Pellegrini, or whoever comes in, will be challenged with winning each competition we enter. If he doesn't, but we make a damn good attempt at winning, and he's willing to play an active role in Khaldoon, Soriano and Begiristain's vision for the club, then I would be very surprised to see him sacked after one season.


Yes indeed. a pretty good attempt. getting to the FA Cup final is a pretty good attempt .There can be only one winner and one loser there. Being second in the league is a pretty good attempt .

You can't say City didn't try
zuricity
Allison's Big Fat Cigar
 
Posts: 18441
Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:54 pm
Location: Zuerich,ch

Re: pellegrini

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Thu May 16, 2013 7:15 am

zuricity wrote:
aaron bond wrote:
I agree that it doesn't signify a revolving door policy.

Mancini was with us for 3.5 years - that's a reasonable amount of time. It was not a matter of months as Chelsea have had with AVB, Benitez or di Matteo, so any comparison to them is stupid.

I liked Mancini and will always appreciate what he did for us, but after our dreadful FA Cup Final performance, and that it seems as if he fell out with a lot of people within the club, it feels like the right time for a change.

I like stability, and we had that with Mancini, who was one of our longest serving managers in the past 40 years! Ok, it wasn't as long as Taggart, Moyes or Wenger, but for our club that was pretty stable.

Pellegrini, or whoever comes in, will be challenged with winning each competition we enter. If he doesn't, but we make a damn good attempt at winning, and he's willing to play an active role in Khaldoon, Soriano and Begiristain's vision for the club, then I would be very surprised to see him sacked after one season.


Yes indeed. a pretty good attempt. getting to the FA Cup final is a pretty good attempt .There can be only one winner and one loser there. Being second in the league is a pretty good attempt .

You can't say City didn't try


What planet are you on? Our title challenge was over before Christmas and we never got close. It was a pitiful title defence.
City and sniffing knickers.
Come on Blues.
Piccsnumberoneblue
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Pablo Zabaleta's Manc Accent
 
Posts: 13353
Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:09 pm
Location: Weirdosville.
Supporter of: Us

Re: pellegrini

Postby Wooders » Thu May 16, 2013 7:28 am

Seen malaga a few times this season (to keep an eye on isco) - they are a well organised pacey side who like to work the targetman system
They arent resplendant in quality and if what they have achieved is down to pellegrini then we have much to look forward to
Wooders
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Yaya's Wembley Winning Strikes
 
Posts: 15700
Joined: Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:55 pm
Location: UK
Supporter of: City

Re: pellegrini

Postby gillie » Thu May 16, 2013 2:04 pm

[urlhttp://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manuel-pellegrini-manchester-city-football-1892782?][/url]

I hope i have done the link properly.The Mirror proving once again what a rag sheet it really is.
User avatar
gillie
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Pablo Zabaleta's Manc Accent
 
Posts: 13894
Joined: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:55 pm
Location: our house
Supporter of: Manchester City
My favourite player is: Colin Bell

Re: pellegrini

Postby JamieMCFC » Thu May 16, 2013 2:10 pm

gillie wrote:[urlhttp://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manuel-pellegrini-manchester-city-football-1892782?][/url]

I hope i have done the link properly.The Mirror proving once again what a rag sheet it really is.


You didn't but here you go. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manuel-pellegrini-manchester-city-football-1892782?
JamieMCFC
Kinky's Mazy Dribbles
 
Posts: 2034
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:40 pm
Supporter of: MCFC

Re: pellegrini

Postby gillie » Thu May 16, 2013 2:12 pm

JamieMCFC wrote:
gillie wrote:[urlhttp://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manuel-pellegrini-manchester-city-football-1892782?][/url]

I hope i have done the link properly.The Mirror proving once again what a rag sheet it really is.


You didn't but here you go. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manuel-pellegrini-manchester-city-football-1892782?

Thanks mate.
User avatar
gillie
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Pablo Zabaleta's Manc Accent
 
Posts: 13894
Joined: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:55 pm
Location: our house
Supporter of: Manchester City
My favourite player is: Colin Bell

Re: pellegrini

Postby lets all have a disco » Thu May 16, 2013 2:16 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manuel-pellegrini-manchester-city-football-1892782

I hope i have done the link properly.The Mirror proving once again what a rag sheet it really is.


I'd be happy with that scenario.
He was never me,me,me but always you,you,you
User avatar
lets all have a disco
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Pellegrini's Hoodie
 
Posts: 22479
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:20 pm
Location: Blue Army
Supporter of: Manchester City FC
My favourite player is: STILL MICAH RICHARDS

Re: pellegrini

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu May 16, 2013 2:21 pm

They haven't taken into acCOUNT that for a week before each game, he will be appearing at the window of the opposition players at nightfall & by the time kick off arrives, all will appear pale, anaemic & lacking in energy with an aversion to sunlight.
The pissartist formerly known as Ted

VIVA EL CITY !!!

Some take the bible for what it's worth.. when they say that the rags shall inherit the Earth...
Well I heard that the Sheikh... bought Carlos Tevez this week...& you fuckers aint gettin' nothin..
Ted Hughes
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Colin Bell's Football Brain
 
Posts: 28488
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:28 pm
Supporter of: Bill Turnbull
My favourite player is: Bill Turnbull

Re: pellegrini

Postby Dameerto » Thu May 16, 2013 3:41 pm

gillie wrote:
I hope i have done the link properly.The Mirror proving once again what a rag sheet it really is.

You nearly did - you put your link just before the first "]" instead of just after it.
VIVA EL CITIES

"The adjudicatory chamber of the Ethics Committee ... has banned Mr Joseph S. Blatter ... for eight years and Mr Michel Platini ... for eight years from all football-related activities (administrative, sports or any other) on a national and international level. The bans come into force immediately." - 21/12/2015
User avatar
Dameerto
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Allison's Big Fat Cigar
 
Posts: 18703
Joined: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:08 pm
Supporter of: El City
My favourite player is: Sergio Forwardo

Re: pellegrini

Postby Dameerto » Thu May 16, 2013 3:43 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:They haven't taken into acCOUNT that for a week before each game, he will be appearing at the window of the opposition players at nightfall & by the time kick off arrives, all will appear pale, anaemic & lacking in energy with an aversion to sunlight.


I think we should make sure he has a shadow (and a reflection) before we sign him.
VIVA EL CITIES

"The adjudicatory chamber of the Ethics Committee ... has banned Mr Joseph S. Blatter ... for eight years and Mr Michel Platini ... for eight years from all football-related activities (administrative, sports or any other) on a national and international level. The bans come into force immediately." - 21/12/2015
User avatar
Dameerto
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Allison's Big Fat Cigar
 
Posts: 18703
Joined: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:08 pm
Supporter of: El City
My favourite player is: Sergio Forwardo

PreviousNext

Return to The Maine Football forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], nottsblue and 107 guests