The WORST article EVER written.

[Im_Spartacus]

Unprofessional. I never think that I put that bit of extra effort for my boss, I do it for the customer. The people who actually pay my wages. Same way these spoiled bastards should remember they are performing for supporters. But modern Football players are so far removed from ordinary people that majority of them would have no idea. They start crying because someone saidvfew harsh words to them.

Does the customer motivate you?

It should be a factor in what you do, but the customer doesnt inspire you to achieve at work, the motivation of your manager should though. And if it doesn't, you've got a poor manager

[Tokyo Blue]

Unprofessional. I never think that I put that bit of extra effort for my boss, I do it for the customer. The people who actually pay my wages. Same way these spoiled bastards should remember they are performing for supporters. But modern Football players are so far removed from ordinary people that majority of them would have no idea. They start crying because someone saidvfew harsh words to them.

Does the customer motivate you?

It should be a factor in what you do, but the customer doesnt inspire you to achieve at work

Depends on the nature of the customer, the closeness of your contact and the relationship you develop.

[Hazy2]

Well you give A.Campbell a job this what you get. IMHO we may have let a manager go coz Joe Hart is a soft spoilt cunt, who did not like the truth, add a massive spin offensive on a level never seen before at City. New manager will give the kids a go, yep thats happening. More spin Today FFS.

It seems spin is needed if half the retards on here can't see that Mancini's position was untenable through his own shortcomings

Blame the players all you want, but in my experience, if my manager ever treated me like a cunt, firstly he will fail at his job, and at some point down the line I'd make fucking sure he lost it if he carried on pissing me off.

Rightly or wrongly, the likes of Hart and Kompany are virtually in sellable at city, so Mancini couldn't just ship those out who he didn't get on with - and that's where his problem lies, he hasn't got a fucking clue how to deal with people other than getting rid.

Whilst the saying goes that no one player is bigger than the club, the same is also true for the manager.

If you think spin has left a nice taste you were not at Wembley last week, fuck you and fuck shithouse players who pissed all over our day last week. What chance did he have if this week is anything to go by, I was there 1-6 I was there 1-2 at the scum and for me actions on the pitch mean more to me than some snidey cunt turning wheels behind a mans back, I am angry with the club anything Mancini pissed me off with this season seems now to be a re-think as he was a dead man walking, so who is to blame....

[carl_feedthegoat]

Not ONE player has publicly wished Mancini well.........whys that then?

1. Has any player been publicly asked his thoughts on the sacking ?

2. Why does a player have to publicly reveal his thoughts on Mancini good or bad , in the immediate period after his sacking?

3. Perhaps any player for or against Mancini has been told by the club not to say anything , good or bad , publicly.

4. Why should a player risk his future at the club by publicly backing the sacked manager ? , look what happened to Bellamy.

Carl , as far as the players are concerned, i'm not interested in hearing who is for or against him. some will be for him, some against him. It's usually those who don't want to tow the line and Ladyarse chooses three good examples in Bellamy, Tevez and Ade here.

It's a cheap shot from a sad arsed reporter, who chooses now to make such a report . He had ample time before the Cup Final to put this crap out.

'double training sessions' a problem ? Come on Dougie will confirm that was not the case, perhaps needed at the time to get fitness levels higher.

no it's not the worst ever article written though. I hope Ladyman nips into MaryDs on sunday to get some more gossip !

What amazes me is that fans will jump on anything that doesnt suit their agenda and laugh it off as untrue because the source of the article is written in a newspaper or by a journo that is deemed full of shite or biased!
The same fuckign fans will also quote articles that do suit their agenda no matter where it came from.......you couldnt make it up.!!!
There is nearly always some truth in an article,wether or not it came from this cunt Ladyman OR from some other source.Its a case of focusing and discussing the possible truths rather than the shite thats added onto the piece.

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[Hazy2]

Not ONE player has publicly wished Mancini well.........whys that then?

1. Has any player been publicly asked his thoughts on the sacking ?

2. Why does a player have to publicly reveal his thoughts on Mancini good or bad , in the immediate period after his sacking?

3. Perhaps any player for or against Mancini has been told by the club not to say anything , good or bad , publicly.

4. Why should a player risk his future at the club by publicly backing the sacked manager ? , look what happened to Bellamy.

Carl , as far as the players are concerned, i'm not interested in hearing who is for or against him. some will be for him, some against him. It's usually those who don't want to tow the line and Ladyarse chooses three good examples in Bellamy, Tevez and Ade here.

It's a cheap shot from a sad arsed reporter, who chooses now to make such a report . He had ample time before the Cup Final to put this crap out.

'double training sessions' a problem ? Come on Dougie will confirm that was not the case, perhaps needed at the time to get fitness levels higher.

no it's not the worst ever article written though. I hope Ladyman nips into MaryDs on sunday to get some more gossip !

What amazes me is that fans will jump on anything that doesnt suit their agenda and laugh it off as untrue because the source of the article is written in a newspaper or by a journo that is deemed full of shite or biased!
The same fuckign fans will also quote articles that do suit their agenda no matter where it came from.......you couldnt make it up.!!!
There is nearly always some truth in an article,wether or not it came from this cunt Ladyman OR from some other source.Its a case of focusing and discussing the possible truths rather than the shite thats added onto the piece.

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You have a point Carl, but sometimes the likes of Brian Kidd say more than we realise at the time. I trust him more than the silence from the likes of HART

I liked this ARTICLE... Churlish I know....
By the end of the Demolition Derby, Manchester City fans were convulsed with joy, revelling in the sight of the majestic David Silva putting the champions to the sword, serenading Sir Alex Ferguson with “getting sacked in the morning” and designing their “Six and the City” T-shirts. Incredible

[Lev Bronstein]

What amazes me is that fans will jump on anything that doesnt suit their agenda and laugh it off as untrue because the source of the article is written in a newspaper or by a journo that is deemed full of shite or biased!
The same fuckign fans will also quote articles that do suit their agenda no matter where it came from.......you couldnt make it up.!!!
There is nearly always some truth in an article,wether or not it came from this cunt Ladyman OR from some other source.Its a case of focusing and discussing the possible truths rather than the shite thats added onto the piece.

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Correct, but the trouble is that the journos have their own agenda, and they do write shite. Not only that, but agents, clubs, managers and players will feed them bits of information to suit there own interests. Sometimes you have to try and go beneath what's being said and try and work out who benefits and who loses. In the case of Ladyman, he does have a bit of form.

We all do a bit of cherry-picking of information, some facts appear to have more weight than others. The truth: god knows where or what it is but it's in there somewhere.

[Spurge]

Other than the hysterical tone, I don't really see what is wrong with the article in content.

As Goataldo says, some nuggets of truth in there I am positive.

Also, as regards a "blanket ban" on comments, I would be certain they'd been told absolutely no negative or "happy you're gone" type comments. But no-one has even said that they wish him well, and I am positive that if they wanted to say that there would be no issue from the club's side. The fact that there hasn't been a peep of wellwishing says it all IMO

This is obviously true, & I don't think it's fair to blame the club for this.

Ladyman has been shit stirring at City for a long time, well before Mancini came, & had some minor contact there who dishes the dirt. He has probably gained one or two players on his 'grass' list now as well.

Plenty of people have known about these stories for some time & have referred to shit happening even when it appeared Mancini was staying. They have got it from the horse's mouth, through knowing players & staff personally, not the club tipping people off.

It's not nice, or very fair, that this has come out when Mancini can't give his side of the story, but it's not nice for everyone to blame it on the club orchestrating it either. People have been talking for a long time & the journo's have been jotting it all down, waiting for the moment to release it.

The moment has arrived.

The club gave Mancini a 5 year deal (I think it was) after winning the title just a year ago. Now on the basis of some of what was written in this article is true, and I think most of us feel there is some truth in it, then at the point the club extended Mancini's contract they should have had a pretty good idea, based on his time at the club, as to his character - his strengths as well as his weaknesses, and how they might play out going forwards.

I'm not saying they should have sacked him then - how could they fo gods sake! But they wouldn't have had to give him such a lengthy extension to his contract if they already had some concerns about him.

So I'm afraid in part at least I think it is fair to blame the club for this. It's likely that the players and Mancini have played their part in this sorry story, BUT I don't hink Mancini can be held responsible for City not winning the FA Cup. The players let us down on the day and ensured Mancini missed out on one of his targets, giving the club the chance to point this out in their official statement following Mancinis dismissal.

Talking of the statement the club messed this up as well - describing Mancini as having 'not achieved any of his targets' and in the very next sentence stating 'except for qualifying for the champions league' So he didn't achieve any then did achieve one of them! Makes us look like a bunch of amateurs.

So the players gave the club the ammunition to sack Mancini? Well it doesn't sound as ridiculus as it should do right now. My initial thought was the club acted and the reason for the poor display at Wembley was shell shcoked players fearing for their future, but perhaps not.........

[phips]

Do you want to waste your time?

If so .. read on. Absolutely horrible what some people can get away with publishing.

I'm genuinely curious. Why is this the WORST article EVER written?

Blundin el! Tongue in cheek a BIT..

But I reckon its
20% bullshit
20% about slaggin Mancini off
20% about slaggin City off in general
20% guesswork
10% about Mancini having his eyebrows shaped
and 10% true
100% would never be written about the rags

IMO

I could easily see this being 100% bullshit but i could just as easily see it being 100% true.

[Im_Spartacus]

If you think spin has left a nice taste you were not at Wembley last week, fuck you and fuck shithouse players who pissed all over our day last week. What chance did he have if this week is anything to go by, I was there 1-6 I was there 1-2 at the scum and for me actions on the pitch mean more to me than some snidey cunt turning wheels behind a mans back, I am angry with the club anything Mancini pissed me off with this season seems now to be a re-think as he was a dead man walking, so who is to blame....

I'll ignore the 'fuck you', and the slightly hysterical tone of your post, but if it helps, let me explain a little about the psychology of management, because there is blame on all sides here, but you only seem to want to apportion it to the players.

Performance, of any individual in any job, is down to the motivational factors which apply at any given time. And this applies as much to an astronaut as it does to a street sweeper or a footballer.

You have motivation from personal pride, pride in doing a good job and of being seen to do a good job. The level of motivation at this level differs from individual to individual. Some have no pride in their personal work performance, but most will know there is a minimum level that they need to achieve to prevent questions being asked.

You have financial motivation, which for many is a need to provide for the family, meaning that its important to do a good job to keep your job and continue to provide for your family. This one arguably doesnt apply to footballers though, they are all to some extent playing for a new contract, a transfer away, or their own personal financial interest.

The two factors above, if the player is in the right frame of mind will only ever result in a certain level of peak performance, lets say 70% of their capability.

The other 30% of a persons performance needs to be extracted by a good motivator, and for that to happen, the motivator needs to be able to push all the right buttons at the right time. If all those factors come together, you end up with players playing at close to 100% of their ability week in week out.

If the manager is unremarkable, then a group of strong willed individuals can still achieve the 70% levels of performance baed on their personal pride and financial motivations.

If however the manager's motivational ability causes people to resent their approach, not only will the player never hit 100%, he also won't hit 70% because his personal motivation will suffer. How much their personal motivation suffers is down to the strength of character of the player, but to expect someone to perform at a high level under these conditions is just not going to happen.

The very best professional footballers can probably perform at 70% for much of the time, which is what has seen us win the league last year, but question when you last think that the team consistently played to its potential. Because for me, it was the period prior to the 1-6. After that, something changed, and by and large after that, all of our players have consistently performed below their top level. This season, there have been some occasions when their performance has been so bad, you really have to wonder what their frame of mind actually was, and on these occasions, the whole team played badly, not just individuals, so its clear that something affected them all equally, because i'm not having it that they all get together and decide to play wank at southampton for example - but maybe no belief in the system they were playing, disheartened by the pre-match motivation? Who knows.

But the reality is, you cant just say that players can turn up and play at the highest level every single week - because for that the orchestra and their conductor need to be all on the same page in order to get that extra 30% performance out. If the conductor actually pisses the orchestra off, and the orchestra are stressed, flustered and not concentrating properly, not only wont you get the extra 30%, you will get more bum notes than on a night when they are playing within their comfort zone.

So yes, there is blame all round for what happened, but performances are nothing to do with an individual taking conscious decisions to play shit to undermine a manager, but everything to do with individuals struggling to hit the heights in a situation where they feel actively demotivated.

Mancini therefore only has himself to blame for his style of management which caused these motivational issues to surface

[Spurge]

If you think spin has left a nice taste you were not at Wembley last week, fuck you and fuck shithouse players who pissed all over our day last week. What chance did he have if this week is anything to go by, I was there 1-6 I was there 1-2 at the scum and for me actions on the pitch mean more to me than some snidey cunt turning wheels behind a mans back, I am angry with the club anything Mancini pissed me off with this season seems now to be a re-think as he was a dead man walking, so who is to blame....

I'll ignore the 'fuck you', and the slightly hysterical tone of your post, but if it helps, let me explain a little about the psychology of management, because there is blame on all sides here, but you only seem to want to apportion it to the players.

Performance, of any individual in any job, is down to the motivational factors which apply at any given time. And this applies as much to an astronaut as it does to a street sweeper or a footballer.

You have motivation from personal pride, pride in doing a good job and of being seen to do a good job. The level of motivation at this level differs from individual to individual. Some have no pride in their personal work performance, but most will know there is a minimum level that they need to achieve to prevent questions being asked.

You have financial motivation, which for many is a need to provide for the family, meaning that its important to do a good job to keep your job and continue to provide for your family. This one arguably doesnt apply to footballers though, they are all to some extent playing for a new contract, a transfer away, or their own personal financial interest.

The two factors above, if the player is in the right frame of mind will only ever result in a certain level of peak performance, lets say 70% of their capability.

The other 30% of a persons performance needs to be extracted by a good motivator, and for that to happen, the motivator needs to be able to push all the right buttons at the right time. If all those factors come together, you end up with players playing at close to 100% of their ability week in week out.

If the manager is unremarkable, then a group of strong willed individuals can still achieve the 70% levels of performance baed on their personal pride and financial motivations.

If however the manager's motivational ability causes people to resent their approach, not only will the player never hit 100%, he also won't hit 70% because his personal motivation will suffer. How much their personal motivation suffers is down to the strength of character of the player, but to expect someone to perform at a high level under these conditions is just not going to happen.

The very best professional footballers can probably perform at 70% for much of the time, which is what has seen us win the league last year, but question when you last think that the team consistently played to its potential. Because for me, it was the period prior to the 1-6. After that, something changed, and by and large after that, all of our players have consistently performed below their top level. This season, there have been some occasions when their performance has been so bad, you really have to wonder what their frame of mind actually was, and on these occasions, the whole team played badly, not just individuals, so its clear that something affected them all equally, because i'm not having it that they all get together and decide to play wank at southampton for example - but maybe no belief in the system they were playing, disheartened by the pre-match motivation? Who knows.

But the reality is, you cant just say that players can turn up and play at the highest level every single week - because for that the orchestra and their conductor need to be all on the same page in order to get that extra 30% performance out. If the conductor actually pisses the orchestra off, and the orchestra are stressed, flustered and not concentrating properly, not only wont you get the extra 30%, you will get more bum notes than on a night when they are playing within their comfort zone.

So yes, there is blame all round for what happened, but performances are nothing to do with an individual taking conscious decisions to play shit to undermine a manager, but everything to do with individuals struggling to hit the heights in a situation where they feel actively demotivated.

Mancini therefore only has himself to blame for his style of management which caused these motivational issues to surface

Whilst I don't neccessarily disagree with your theory, I find it difficult to apply this to the fact that the players beat Manyoo once again at the swamp and in the same week did for Cheslsea in the FA Cup semi where they were clearly motivated enough. Then in less than a month after this they weren't able to beat Wigan in the final - a team that had amassed less than half the number of points City had in the league? A team who we had also completed a double over in the same season.

It's hard not to smell a rat here

[Hazy2]

If you think spin has left a nice taste you were not at Wembley last week, fuck you and fuck shithouse players who pissed all over our day last week. What chance did he have if this week is anything to go by, I was there 1-6 I was there 1-2 at the scum and for me actions on the pitch mean more to me than some snidey cunt turning wheels behind a mans back, I am angry with the club anything Mancini pissed me off with this season seems now to be a re-think as he was a dead man walking, so who is to blame....

I'll ignore the 'fuck you', and the slightly hysterical tone of your post, but if it helps, let me explain a little about the psychology of management, because there is blame on all sides here, but you only seem to want to apportion it to the players.

Performance, of any individual in any job, is down to the motivational factors which apply at any given time. And this applies as much to an astronaut as it does to a street sweeper or a footballer.

You have motivation from personal pride, pride in doing a good job and of being seen to do a good job. The level of motivation at this level differs from individual to individual. Some have no pride in their personal work performance, but most will know there is a minimum level that they need to achieve to prevent questions being asked.

You have financial motivation, which for many is a need to provide for the family, meaning that its important to do a good job to keep your job and continue to provide for your family. This one arguably doesnt apply to footballers though, they are all to some extent playing for a new contract, a transfer away, or their own personal financial interest.

The two factors above, if the player is in the right frame of mind will only ever result in a certain level of peak performance, lets say 70% of their capability.

The other 30% of a persons performance needs to be extracted by a good motivator, and for that to happen, the motivator needs to be able to push all the right buttons at the right time. If all those factors come together, you end up with players playing at close to 100% of their ability week in week out.

If the manager is unremarkable, then a group of strong willed individuals can still achieve the 70% levels of performance baed on their personal pride and financial motivations.

If however the manager's motivational ability causes people to resent their approach, not only will the player never hit 100%, he also won't hit 70% because his personal motivation will suffer. How much their personal motivation suffers is down to the strength of character of the player, but to expect someone to perform at a high level under these conditions is just not going to happen.

The very best professional footballers can probably perform at 70% for much of the time, which is what has seen us win the league last year, but question when you last think that the team consistently played to its potential. Because for me, it was the period prior to the 1-6. After that, something changed, and by and large after that, all of our players have consistently performed below their top level. This season, there have been some occasions when their performance has been so bad, you really have to wonder what their frame of mind actually was, and on these occasions, the whole team played badly, not just individuals, so its clear that something affected them all equally, because i'm not having it that they all get together and decide to play wank at southampton for example - but maybe no belief in the system they were playing, disheartened by the pre-match motivation? Who knows.

But the reality is, you cant just say that players can turn up and play at the highest level every single week - because for that the orchestra and their conductor need to be all on the same page in order to get that extra 30% performance out. If the conductor actually pisses the orchestra off, and the orchestra are stressed, flustered and not concentrating properly, not only wont you get the extra 30%, you will get more bum notes than on a night when they are playing within their comfort zone.

So yes, there is blame all round for what happened, but performances are nothing to do with an individual taking conscious decisions to play shit to undermine a manager, but everything to do with individuals struggling to hit the heights in a situation where they feel actively demotivated.

Mancini therefore only has himself to blame for his style of management which caused these motivational issues to surface

Sorry for the Fuck you, Having spent the night in the Co of a rag or 4, your reasoning is more akin to a debate some twats talking shite after a boring cornerhouse drama. This is City and Mancini is more of a man than the likes of Hart and the CEO at this point for me. Still raw mate. Again offence caused was wrong. Sorry. Rags are made up I can tell you.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I really don't get this hysteria and conspiracy theory hype.
City don't need to spin because there were enough sound footballing reasons to bin Mancini.
All these people getting angry about the cup final and the players performance, do you really believe the players did that on purpose? And if you do, why didn't you say anything three weeks earlier when Wigan outplayed us at home but unluckily lost 1-0?
Can you really say that City's performance at Wembley was atypical or a complete surprise? We've been getting that on a fairly regular basis for the last eighteen months. Sunderland, Everton, Arsenal, Liverpool, Ajax, Swansea,, QPR, Madrid, Dortmund, Lisbon, Southampton, West Ham. All places where we have stunk the place out. it was nothing unusual to see this team play like a bag o shit. Not a plot, just fairly normal for Mancini's team.
Now did the players really hate him? Well there is much in that article that we know is true. We know he fell out with Tevez ffs. we know that he has insulted players publicly. We know he upset Bellers and Adebayor. We know he hung Balo out to dry at Arsenal. We know that he had previously indulged him. We know most of what that article says is based in truth.
To be honest, all this matters not a jot, because the poor football was there for all to see. It might be an explanation, but the real problem was that we could see Bob wasn't going to change it. We don't need a propaganda campaign against Mancini, he did that himself.

Seems to me that the Mancini rimmers, like him, will not accept any fault whatsoever.

[Beefymcfc]

I really don't get this hysteria and conspiracy theory hype.
City don't need to spin because there were enough sound footballing reasons to bin Mancini.

Forget the 'Rimmers', that's just craiving attention. You're right though, City don't have to spin because we all knew how Mancini did his business. That business brought quite a lot, don't you think.

It's the after show that interets me and the way certain things are allowed, allowed to disparage the acheivements we've made in the last few years.

Actually, from what we are reading, Mancini did an even better job than I can think of. Winning what he did whilst all around him were sharpening their knives. Can't have been easy, in this latter year.

We'll see about these 'Rimmers' mate and how they support the next manager. I'm sure, just like Mancini, he'll get the full works.

Now tell me, how long will the next manager get from you? Will he get shit for winning a FA Cup Final or for winning the Premier League; what about the Champions League?

I hope your mantra will not change, as I know mine won't.

[john68]

Yer wasting yer time Beefers.

[Im_Spartacus]

Sorry for the Fuck you, Having spent the night in the Co of a rag or 4, your reasoning is more akin to a debate some twats talking shite after a boring cornerhouse drama. This is City and Mancini is more of a man than the likes of Hart and the CEO at this point for me. Still raw mate. Again offence caused was wrong. Sorry. Rags are made up I can tell you.

Nah, the rags I know are gutted, majority are trying to put a brave face on by deriding the new manager, but the truth is they are worried by the fact that we might actually be getting our shit together and hoped long may the Mancini circus continue.

[Im_Spartacus]

Forget the 'Rimmers', that's just craiving attention. You're right though, City don't have to spin because we all knew how Mancini did his business. That business brought quite a lot, don't you think.

It's the after show that interets me and the way certain things are allowed, allowed to disparage the acheivements we've made in the last few years.

Actually, from what we are reading, Mancini did an even better job than I can think of. Winning what he did whilst all around him were sharpening their knives. Can't have been easy, in this latter year.

We'll see about these 'Rimmers' mate and how they support the next manager. I'm sure, just like Mancini, he'll get the full works.

Now tell me, how long will the next manager get from you? Will he get shit for winning a FA Cup Final or for winning the Premier League; what about the Champions League?

I hope your mantra will not change, as I know mine won't.

You are deliberately ignoring piccs point to put him down, you, John, its like reading stuff from 5 year olds from some of you.

Nobody has a fucking issue with what Mancini had or hadn't won, I took issue with the fact that just because he won that with the most expensively assembled squad in British football history, does not mean he has unique managerial talents that make him beyond reproach for other things he presided over. As it has come to pass, his managerial talents tactically were found wanting throughout his reign, and in the end, the deterioration in relationships was the final nail in the coffin.

At any other club, the suggestion of "losing the dressing room" would be accompanied with sage nods of the head saying 'yeah, well there is no way back from that'. But at City you want to hang the fucking players out to dry for it? All this support for him despite evidence of the manager fighting with players, constantly provoking players in the media, these are not things that soriano and tricky manufactured in the aftermath, they are things we all saw with our own fucking eyes during his tenure. Stories about Bellamy's fall out being down to mismanaging the injury situation were there from the start, yet we gave bobby the benefit of the doubt, only to find since that this was a common problem.

His fate in my eyes had absolutely fuck all to do with what he has or hasn't won. It was about failing to get a reasonable level of performance out of the squad, and that was down to the relationship he had with his players, which appears to have been non existent.

And the success of the new manager will have fuck all to do with what he does or does not win, it will purely be down to his ability to get the best put of the squad of players he has control of. If he does that, he will win things consistently, if he doesnt, and on top of that shows no ability to learn from his initial mistakes, he may pick up the odd pot along the way, but will probably be moved on.

So my mantra certainly won't change no matter who is in charge. If they do a good enough job, great, if they underuse or misuse the resources they have, they can fuck off and manage somewhere else.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Unprofessional. I never think that I put that bit of extra effort for my boss, I do it for the customer. The people who actually pay my wages. Same way these spoiled bastards should remember they are performing for supporters. But modern Football players are so far removed from ordinary people that majority of them would have no idea. They start crying because someone saidvfew harsh words to them.

Does the customer motivate you?

It should be a factor in what you do, but the customer doesnt inspire you to achieve at work, the motivation of your manager should though. And if it doesn't, you've got a poor manager

Are we talking about my professional life here? If so then answer is pretty straightforward yes. You have to take in the account my working environment though. To put fairly complicated job discription simple I'm in charge of all the building and maintennance in public sector company of 15 000 people. My boss has PhD in health care and wouldn't know hammer if it hit her in the head. She doesn't know enough of what I do to give me any sensible feedback. The meaningfull feedback I get is by default from customer, both inner (people who work in the buildings) and outer (people who organize sites, contractors etc).

How any of that has anything to do with football? Well, the way I see it Joe Hart should be happy as long as people on the stands sing "England number one" regardless of what his managersays. And when the singing stops, that's when you need to a good look at yourself.

[Hazy2]

Sorry for the Fuck you, Having spent the night in the Co of a rag or 4, your reasoning is more akin to a debate some twats talking shite after a boring cornerhouse drama. This is City and Mancini is more of a man than the likes of Hart and the CEO at this point for me. Still raw mate. Again offence caused was wrong. Sorry. Rags are made up I can tell you.

Nah, the rags I know are gutted, majority are trying to put a brave face on by deriding the new manager, but the truth is they are worried by the fact that we might actually be getting our shit together and hoped long may the Mancini circus continue.

Hold up, are you saying downing tools is fine if the suits and players get rid of the manager, tossing off the FA Cup is OK.My own view is Mancini scared some at City, Another point from my night out last night, Rag comment TBH - Holistic is that not the Arsenal way The win fuck all for years but hey we feel good about ourselfs mantra.....

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Sorry for the Fuck you, Having spent the night in the Co of a rag or 4, your reasoning is more akin to a debate some twats talking shite after a boring cornerhouse drama. This is City and Mancini is more of a man than the likes of Hart and the CEO at this point for me. Still raw mate. Again offence caused was wrong. Sorry. Rags are made up I can tell you.

Nah, the rags I know are gutted, majority are trying to put a brave face on by deriding the new manager, but the truth is they are worried by the fact that we might actually be getting our shit together and hoped long may the Mancini circus continue.

Hold up, are you saying downing tools is fine if the suits and players get rid of the manager, tossing off the FA Cup is OK.My own view is Mancini scared some at City, Another point from my night out last night, Rag comment TBH - Holistic is that not the Arsenal way The win fuck all for years but hey we feel good about ourselfs mantra.....

You are ignoring the fact that the Cup final performance was not unusual in the slightest. We've seen loads like that.

[Ted Hughes]

Unprofessional. I never think that I put that bit of extra effort for my boss, I do it for the customer. The people who actually pay my wages. Same way these spoiled bastards should remember they are performing for supporters. But modern Football players are so far removed from ordinary people that majority of them would have no idea. They start crying because someone saidvfew harsh words to them.

Does the customer motivate you?

It should be a factor in what you do, but the customer doesnt inspire you to achieve at work, the motivation of your manager should though. And if it doesn't, you've got a poor manager

Are we talking about my professional life here? If so then answer is pretty straightforward yes. You have to take in the account my working environment though. To put fairly complicated job discription simple I'm in charge of all the building and maintennance in public sector company of 15 000 people. My boss has PhD in health care and wouldn't know hammer if it hit her in the head. She doesn't know enough of what I do to give me any sensible feedback. The meaningfull feedback I get is by default from customer, both inner (people who work in the buildings) and outer (people who organize sites, contractors etc).

How any of that has anything to do with football? Well, the way I see it Joe Hart should be happy as long as people on the stands sing "England number one" regardless of what his managersays. And when the singing stops, that's when you need to a good look at yourself.

I think you're absolutely right about Joe Hart, but I think Mancini's attitude to Micah Richards during & following his injury, stunk rotten, & if that's also how he is with people behind the scenes, it would be well worth a dressing room grumble.