IS Bobby Mancini THE MAN?

[Socrates]

Even if we ended up a close 5th, I would be happy giving Mancini more time to build. I'm not saying we will end up 5th, but I think we have a good mentality now in the whole club.
It would be foolish to lose this, if we hang him for not reaching 4th place. as it happens, I do think we will make the top 4, but that should not be the overriding aspect in the future of Mancini's appointment, and I hope it doesn't all come down to Cappello's availability. Really, mancini should have been given 3 1/2 years from the off and none of this 6 months business

Well mate, its reasonable to say what you said, but the guy was brought in because the owners thought Hughes couldn't get us into the top four, so top four it has to be.

Hey Bob, why don't you make this a sticky - I thought you originally did and I thought it was a good idea, because its always going to be a big topic and saves lots of different threads about the manager after every match "I think Mancini is the bollox", "Mancini is gorgeous", "I knew the cunt wouldn't hack it", "Mancini would beat Hughes in a fight" etc...

Seriously though, its a daily topic pretty much, no?

I'm with you on the top four demand. That's what he was brought in to deliver.
But give him some time for fuck's sake! You gave Leslie 18 fucking months and were ready to give him pleny more still. Roberto's just landed, and you're on his throat (not only about this). Yes, you thought it was wrong sacking Hughes, that doesn't necessarily make Mancini the wronh choice. Slating Roberto is not a way to defend Hughes. He's gone, let him go.

Well said noolie, top 4 is the aim but he can only be judged if he doesn't get there next season, not this. We already dropped so many points this season with Hughes that it wouldn't be fair to make such a judgement.

[Rag_hater]

Even if we ended up a close 5th, I would be happy giving Mancini more time to build. I'm not saying we will end up 5th, but I think we have a good mentality now in the whole club.
It would be foolish to lose this, if we hang him for not reaching 4th place. as it happens, I do think we will make the top 4, but that should not be the overriding aspect in the future of Mancini's appointment, and I hope it doesn't all come down to Cappello's availability. Really, mancini should have been given 3 1/2 years from the off and none of this 6 months business

Well mate, its reasonable to say what you said, but the guy was brought in because the owners thought Hughes couldn't get us into the top four, so top four it has to be.

Hey Bob, why don't you make this a sticky - I thought you originally did and I thought it was a good idea, because its always going to be a big topic and saves lots of different threads about the manager after every match "I think Mancini is the bollox", "Mancini is gorgeous", "I knew the cunt wouldn't hack it", "Mancini would beat Hughes in a fight" etc...

Seriously though, its a daily topic pretty much, no?

I'm with you on the top four demand. That's what he was brought in to deliver.
But give him some time for fuck's sake! You gave Leslie 18 fucking months and were ready to give him pleny more still. Roberto's just landed, and you're on his throat (not only about this). Yes, you thought it was wrong sacking Hughes, that doesn't necessarily make Mancini the wronh choice. Slating Roberto is not a way to defend Hughes. He's gone, let him go.

Well said noolie, top 4 is the aim but he can only be judged if he doesn't get there next season, not this. We already dropped so many points this season with Hughes that it wouldn't be fair to make such a judgement.

He has to get us top 4 this season doesnt he?Cos if he dont according to you we wont get in the CL

[BobKowalski]

Even if we ended up a close 5th, I would be happy giving Mancini more time to build. I'm not saying we will end up 5th, but I think we have a good mentality now in the whole club.
It would be foolish to lose this, if we hang him for not reaching 4th place. as it happens, I do think we will make the top 4, but that should not be the overriding aspect in the future of Mancini's appointment, and I hope it doesn't all come down to Cappello's availability. Really, mancini should have been given 3 1/2 years from the off and none of this 6 months business

Well mate, its reasonable to say what you said, but the guy was brought in because the owners thought Hughes couldn't get us into the top four, so top four it has to be.

Hey Bob, why don't you make this a sticky - I thought you originally did and I thought it was a good idea, because its always going to be a big topic and saves lots of different threads about the manager after every match "I think Mancini is the bollox", "Mancini is gorgeous", "I knew the cunt wouldn't hack it", "Mancini would beat Hughes in a fight" etc...

Seriously though, its a daily topic pretty much, no?

I'm with you on the top four demand. That's what he was brought in to deliver.
But give him some time for fuck's sake! You gave Leslie 18 fucking months and were ready to give him pleny more still. Roberto's just landed, and you're on his throat (not only about this). Yes, you thought it was wrong sacking Hughes, that doesn't necessarily make Mancini the wronh choice. Slating Roberto is not a way to defend Hughes. He's gone, let him go.

Well said noolie, top 4 is the aim but he can only be judged if he doesn't get there next season, not this. We already dropped so many points this season with Hughes that it wouldn't be fair to make such a judgement.

It may not be fair but its a harsh world. Mancini has to get top 4 because ADUG want top 4 this year - the implosion of Liverpool and the overall vulnerability of the traditional 'top 4' has made us or someone else gatecrashing this cosy cartel a real possibility. Serious money has been spent and we have a very good squad and ADUG wanted someone to make what we have work now and they were clearly not getting that or going to get that with Hughes.

ADUG aside if Mancini doesn't get top 4 and/or win the Carling Cup the media and others will be full of 'if City had stuck with Hughes they would have ___" (fill in the blanks). ADUG will be criticised afresh for their impatient derailing of Hughes and his irresistable masterplan, stability is the key etc etc so Mancini is pretty much on a hiding to nothing unless he produces tangible success and even then Hughes will reap some of the credit "..accomplished with Hughes team" yada, yada.

I felt before the season started we had a good chance for a top 4 spot and under Mancini I am even more confident that we can do it. If we don't then Mancini will be crucified by the media, a large section of the fans and then sacked.

But we playing big boy rules now which is the way it should be and Mancini is big enough to play. I hope Mancini wins too because if he does we all do :)

[Socrates]

Even if we ended up a close 5th, I would be happy giving Mancini more time to build. I'm not saying we will end up 5th, but I think we have a good mentality now in the whole club.
It would be foolish to lose this, if we hang him for not reaching 4th place. as it happens, I do think we will make the top 4, but that should not be the overriding aspect in the future of Mancini's appointment, and I hope it doesn't all come down to Cappello's availability. Really, mancini should have been given 3 1/2 years from the off and none of this 6 months business

Well mate, its reasonable to say what you said, but the guy was brought in because the owners thought Hughes couldn't get us into the top four, so top four it has to be.

Hey Bob, why don't you make this a sticky - I thought you originally did and I thought it was a good idea, because its always going to be a big topic and saves lots of different threads about the manager after every match "I think Mancini is the bollox", "Mancini is gorgeous", "I knew the cunt wouldn't hack it", "Mancini would beat Hughes in a fight" etc...

Seriously though, its a daily topic pretty much, no?

I'm with you on the top four demand. That's what he was brought in to deliver.
But give him some time for fuck's sake! You gave Leslie 18 fucking months and were ready to give him pleny more still. Roberto's just landed, and you're on his throat (not only about this). Yes, you thought it was wrong sacking Hughes, that doesn't necessarily make Mancini the wronh choice. Slating Roberto is not a way to defend Hughes. He's gone, let him go.

Well said noolie, top 4 is the aim but he can only be judged if he doesn't get there next season, not this. We already dropped so many points this season with Hughes that it wouldn't be fair to make such a judgement.

It may not be fair but its a harsh world. Mancini has to get top 4 because ADUG want top 4 this year - the implosion of Liverpool and the overall vulnerability of the traditional 'top 4' has made us or someone else gatecrashing this cosy cartel a real possibility. Serious money has been spent and we have a very good squad and ADUG wanted someone to make what we have work now and they were clearly not getting that or going to get that with Hughes.

ADUG aside if Mancini doesn't get top 4 and/or win the Carling Cup the media and others will be full of 'if City had stuck with Hughes they would have ___" (fill in the blanks). ADUG will be criticised afresh for their impatient derailing of Hughes and his irresistable masterplan, stability is the key etc etc so Mancini is pretty much on a hiding to nothing unless he produces tangible success and even then Hughes will reap some of the credit "..accomplished with Hughes team" yada, yada.

I felt before the season started we had a good chance for a top 4 spot and under Mancini I am even more confident that we can do it. If we don't then Mancini will be crucified by the media, a large section of the fans and then sacked.

But we playing big boy rules now which is the way it should be and Mancini is big enough to play. I hope Mancini wins too because if he does we all do :)

fill in the blanks? broken the world draw record????? Yes Hughes will claim some credit if Mancini gets us there this season but he will still surely get some blame if we don't? What if we miss 4th but are 4th best club on form measured from the point Mancini takes over? Besides which, harsh world or not, the Sheikh will have been shocked at the coverage when he changed manger, he won't be in a rush to do so again - especially with a manager chosen pesonally by his right hand man.

[BobKowalski]

Well mate, its reasonable to say what you said, but the guy was brought in because the owners thought Hughes couldn't get us into the top four, so top four it has to be.

Hey Bob, why don't you make this a sticky - I thought you originally did and I thought it was a good idea, because its always going to be a big topic and saves lots of different threads about the manager after every match "I think Mancini is the bollox", "Mancini is gorgeous", "I knew the cunt wouldn't hack it", "Mancini would beat Hughes in a fight" etc...

Seriously though, its a daily topic pretty much, no?

I'm with you on the top four demand. That's what he was brought in to deliver.
But give him some time for fuck's sake! You gave Leslie 18 fucking months and were ready to give him pleny more still. Roberto's just landed, and you're on his throat (not only about this). Yes, you thought it was wrong sacking Hughes, that doesn't necessarily make Mancini the wronh choice. Slating Roberto is not a way to defend Hughes. He's gone, let him go.

Well said noolie, top 4 is the aim but he can only be judged if he doesn't get there next season, not this. We already dropped so many points this season with Hughes that it wouldn't be fair to make such a judgement.

It may not be fair but its a harsh world. Mancini has to get top 4 because ADUG want top 4 this year - the implosion of Liverpool and the overall vulnerability of the traditional 'top 4' has made us or someone else gatecrashing this cosy cartel a real possibility. Serious money has been spent and we have a very good squad and ADUG wanted someone to make what we have work now and they were clearly not getting that or going to get that with Hughes.

ADUG aside if Mancini doesn't get top 4 and/or win the Carling Cup the media and others will be full of 'if City had stuck with Hughes they would have ___" (fill in the blanks). ADUG will be criticised afresh for their impatient derailing of Hughes and his irresistable masterplan, stability is the key etc etc so Mancini is pretty much on a hiding to nothing unless he produces tangible success and even then Hughes will reap some of the credit "..accomplished with Hughes team" yada, yada.

I felt before the season started we had a good chance for a top 4 spot and under Mancini I am even more confident that we can do it. If we don't then Mancini will be crucified by the media, a large section of the fans and then sacked.

But we playing big boy rules now which is the way it should be and Mancini is big enough to play. I hope Mancini wins too because if he does we all do :)

fill in the blanks? broken the world draw record????? Yes Hughes will claim some credit if Mancini gets us there this season but he will still surely get some blame if we don't? What if we miss 4th but are 4th best club on form measured from the point Mancini takes over? Besides which, harsh world or not, the Sheikh will have been shocked at the coverage when he changed manger, he won't be in a rush to do so again - especially with a manager chosen pesonally by his right hand man.

If we miss 4th but are the 4th best club from the point Mancini takes over then we would be 5th. And 5th is nowhere. ADUG sacked Hughes and brought in Mancini to get a top 4 spot. If they wanted excuses as to why we finished 5th then they might as well have kept Hughes because Hughes wrote the book on excuses.

I don't have an issue with an employee being hired to fulfill a specific brief. If they don't fill that brief then the employee in question needs a bloody good reason. If that reason is valid then fine but finishing 'fourth best since I took over' isn't a good reason as the response will be 'well you should have finished third or higher'.

ADUG did act ruthlessly and quickly over Hughes. It surprised people but it shouldn't have. ADUG have pumped millions in over a short space of time and could see an great opportunity to achieve their first objective. A Champs League spot. When that looked like ebbing away amidst talk of another tranche of players to replace one lot of underperfoming players who had themsleves been brought in to replace the first lot of underperforming players there was only one way it was going to end and end it did. For Hughes.

Yes the media sobbed and wailed over the demise of the 'best potential British manager' at the helm of a top 4 club blah, blah and yes the absurd over reaction did I believe surprise ADUG, hell it surprised me. You would have thought the Sheikh had personally shot Bambi, Bambi's mum and Lassie for good measure the way they carried on. But I kind of suspect that when it comes to a choice between upsetting the media and achieving their ambition for world domination in football then the media had best stock up on tissues and faux outrage. And sacking managers is like murder. Second time round it's a lot easier. Allegedly.

PS One last thing. I'm a fan of Mancini. I like the guy and I am impressed by what I have seen so far. I really want him to succeed but I ain't going to be sentimental about it.

[edge275]

BobKowalski wrote:

If we miss 4th but are the 4th best club from the point Mancini takes over then we would be 5th. And 5th is nowhere. ADUG sacked Hughes and brought in Mancini to get a top 4 spot. If they wanted excuses as to why we finished 5th then they might as well have kept Hughes because Hughes wrote the book on excuses.

I don't have an issue with an employee being hired to fulfill a specific brief. If they don't fill that brief then the employee in question needs a bloody good reason. If that reason is valid then fine but finishing 'fourth best since I took over' isn't a good reason as the response will be 'well you should have finished third or higher'.

ADUG did act ruthlessly and quickly over Hughes. It surprised people but it shouldn't have. ADUG have pumped millions in over a short space of time and could see an great opportunity to achieve their first objective. A Champs League spot. When that looked like ebbing away amidst talk of another tranche of players to replace one lot of underperfoming players who had themsleves been brought in to replace the first lot of underperforming players there was only one way it was going to end and end it did. For Hughes.

Yes the media sobbed and wailed over the demise of the 'best potential British manager' at the helm of a top 4 club blah, blah and yes the absurd over reaction did I believe surprise ADUG, hell it surprised me. You would have thought the Sheikh had personally shot Bambi, Bambi's mum and Lassie for good measure the way they carried on. But I kind of suspect that when it comes to a choice between upsetting the media and achieving their ambition for world domination in football then the media had best stock up on tissues and faux outrage. And sacking managers is like murder. Second time round it's a lot easier. Allegedly.

PS One last thing. I'm a fan of Mancini. I like the guy and I am impressed by what I have seen so far. I really want him to succeed but I ain't going to be sentimental about it.

I think this is a brilliant post which is very common from Bobkowalski and I would like to state right now that he should/will be a shoe in for legend status next year.

Keep 'em coming Bobkowalski!!

Cheers

[Rag_hater]

What I dont get is that on previous threads we have been told that unless we get 4th this season(the reason for the sheikh spending the next few years budget investment in the academy and the sacking of Hughes to list a few)we might aswell forget any dreams we have of the CL because Platini will have chaned the rules with us specifically in mind.And we should all panic because there is no way around the new proposed rules.
However on this thread one of the biggest scaremongers(whose had his dream come true with the appoinment of Mancini)openly states that Roberto should be given as much time as possible regardless of the fact that if he dilly dallies Platinis plans will still be there but somehow the fact we have Mancini we will be able to get in the CL even if he takes a couple of years to get us there.Not the case in other threads.

[Socrates]

What I dont get is that on previous threads we have been told that unless we get 4th this season(the reason for the sheikh spending the next few years budget investment in the academy and the sacking of Hughes to list a few)we might aswell forget any dreams we have of the CL because Platini will have chaned the rules with us specifically in mind.And we should all panic because there is no way around the new proposed rules.
However on this thread one of the biggest scaremongers(whose had his dream come true with the appoinment of Mancini)openly states that Roberto should be given as much time as possible regardless of the fact that if he dilly dallies Platinis plans will still be there but somehow the fact we have Mancini we will be able to get in the CL even if he takes a couple of years to get us there.Not the case in other threads.

If it was already too late, and nobody has said it will be just that it could be, then what would be the point in changing manager again? Plan B is "the Academy stupid" and Mancini and Kidd are the two best people I know of for bringing young players through...

[Rag_hater]

What I dont get is that on previous threads we have been told that unless we get 4th this season(the reason for the sheikh spending the next few years budget investment in the academy and the sacking of Hughes to list a few)we might aswell forget any dreams we have of the CL because Platini will have chaned the rules with us specifically in mind.And we should all panic because there is no way around the new proposed rules.
However on this thread one of the biggest scaremongers(whose had his dream come true with the appoinment of Mancini)openly states that Roberto should be given as much time as possible regardless of the fact that if he dilly dallies Platinis plans will still be there but somehow the fact we have Mancini we will be able to get in the CL even if he takes a couple of years to get us there.Not the case in other threads.

If it was already too late, and nobody has said it will be just that it could be, then what would be the point in changing manager again? Plan B is "the Academy stupid" and Mancini and Kidd are the two best people I know of for bringing young players through...

If Mancini cant deliver fourth and a cup there was no point in getting rid of Hughes.He will have done no better.So unless he delivers what he has said himself is his target what is the point of keeping him.And if he doesn't deliver he should be got rid off.
And what do you mean that it isnt to late.If it isnt to late why do you start all the scarmongering in threads about what could(and to any resonable person wont) possibly happen, but wont.I would think somebody with your massive intellect would put it into finding ways to overcome Platinis stupid plans wheras you prefer to scaremonger until it threatens to undermine the chosen one

[Socrates]

What I dont get is that on previous threads we have been told that unless we get 4th this season(the reason for the sheikh spending the next few years budget investment in the academy and the sacking of Hughes to list a few)we might aswell forget any dreams we have of the CL because Platini will have chaned the rules with us specifically in mind.And we should all panic because there is no way around the new proposed rules.
However on this thread one of the biggest scaremongers(whose had his dream come true with the appoinment of Mancini)openly states that Roberto should be given as much time as possible regardless of the fact that if he dilly dallies Platinis plans will still be there but somehow the fact we have Mancini we will be able to get in the CL even if he takes a couple of years to get us there.Not the case in other threads.

If it was already too late, and nobody has said it will be just that it could be, then what would be the point in changing manager again? Plan B is "the Academy stupid" and Mancini and Kidd are the two best people I know of for bringing young players through...

If Mancini cant deliver fourth and a cup there was no point in getting rid of Hughes.He will have done no better.So unless he delivers what he has said himself is his target what is the point of keeping him.And if he doesn't deliver he should be got rid off.
And what do you mean that it isnt to late.If it isnt to late why do you start all the scarmongering in threads about what could(and to any resonable person wont) possibly happen, but wont.I would think somebody with your massive intellect would put it into finding ways to overcome Platinis stupid plans wheras you prefer to scaremonger until it threatens to undermine the chosen one

He will have done no better in 6 months than Hughes did in 18. Unlike some people, the Sheikh isn't a spoilt brat and will give Khaldoon's choice time to show his worth. Unless we actually go visibly backwards then he will be given a full season at least.

[Wonderwall]

Every youth role Kidd has been put in, he has only lasted a short while whilst he has been moved onto a different Role. Like Assistant manager at the rags and Leeds. He has no proven track record as a youth development coach?

[Original Dub]

Even if we ended up a close 5th, I would be happy giving Mancini more time to build. I'm not saying we will end up 5th, but I think we have a good mentality now in the whole club.
It would be foolish to lose this, if we hang him for not reaching 4th place. as it happens, I do think we will make the top 4, but that should not be the overriding aspect in the future of Mancini's appointment, and I hope it doesn't all come down to Cappello's availability. Really, mancini should have been given 3 1/2 years from the off and none of this 6 months business

Well mate, its reasonable to say what you said, but the guy was brought in because the owners thought Hughes couldn't get us into the top four, so top four it has to be.

Hey Bob, why don't you make this a sticky - I thought you originally did and I thought it was a good idea, because its always going to be a big topic and saves lots of different threads about the manager after every match "I think Mancini is the bollox", "Mancini is gorgeous", "I knew the cunt wouldn't hack it", "Mancini would beat Hughes in a fight" etc...

Seriously though, its a daily topic pretty much, no?

I'm with you on the top four demand. That's what he was brought in to deliver.
But give him some time for fuck's sake! You gave Leslie 18 fucking months and were ready to give him pleny more still. Roberto's just landed, and you're on his throat (not only about this). Yes, you thought it was wrong sacking Hughes, that doesn't necessarily make Mancini the wronh choice. Slating Roberto is not a way to defend Hughes. He's gone, let him go.

Hold on for fuck sake, where did you get all that tripe from???!

All I did was state facts - Mancini was brought in because the hierarchy didn't think Hughes would achieve top four this season. Make no mistake about that. Of course I gave Leslie 18 fucking months because he was there AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT. Call it phase one if you like, I couldn't give a bollox what you call it.... but we're at a completely different phase in that we are now a piece or two away from being a complete side.

I'm not "on his throat" at all chief, in fact so far I think he's the bollox. Dapper, astute and fantastic in front of the media with the likes of the scàrf, arm around Bellamy and subsequent handshake... his "lack of english" in that horrible press conference (by God its improved dramatically!).... He also looks to be very tactically aware and his decisions have worked out perfectly so far. Whether or not that's down to new manager syndrome, luck, tactical nous or all three only time will tell, but so far so fucking brilliant and long may it continue.

As for Mark Hughes - everyone knows I was in favour of letting him complete what he started and I don't buy a lot of what Cook said about the "trajectory of results" meaning we wouldn't reach 70 points, when we were bang on target to do just that. I also don't buy into the media bullshit about how it was "disgraceful" the manner in which we sacked Hughes and the aftermath with the press going on like we were the first ones to do it - "How could they let the poor man sit in the dugout knowing he was going to be fired?!" Fuck all that, Ranieri took charge of loads of fucking games knowing he was getting the sack and they don't care now because the special came in and their decision can't be questioned anymore.

So I don't feel sorry for Mark Hughes the man. I also understand where the decision to replace him stemmed from and I was getting pretty fucking frustrated with that run of draws and more importantly how we rolled over and let Spurs destroy us on my fucking birthday! That said, we were/are a team that was in mid-gel and no one can say for a fact that Mark Hughes wouldn't have gotten us into the top four.

He is gone now and that's fine with me, because first of all, Mancini looks like a good choice and secondly the fans are more together as a result. The endless Hughes debates wrecked havoc on this board and gave total cockheads like R_I_G a platform to rant every second day.

Oh before I let you go Mr Nool, why don't you have a look back on this board to the day Mancini came and Hughes went - I'm the one who started the thread called "PLEASE" and it was to say to everyone that even though some don't agree with Hughes leaving, its done and we should all stop bickering and get behind the new man. So you got the wrong man here and if you're basing your views on the fact that I think signing Vieira and making a move for Veron was completely underwhelming then have another think because every pundit and journo seems to agree with me. It doesn't mean I hate Mancini, it just means that the one flaw I see SO FAR is his moves in the transfer market. I'm confident he'll rectify that, but there ain't no fucking way I'm gonna jump up and down because we moved for two players in their mid-thirties - one that couldn't cut it in his prime in the prem and the other who was faltering when he left 5 years ago.

Ciao.

[Rag_hater]

What I dont get is that on previous threads we have been told that unless we get 4th this season(the reason for the sheikh spending the next few years budget investment in the academy and the sacking of Hughes to list a few)we might aswell forget any dreams we have of the CL because Platini will have chaned the rules with us specifically in mind.And we should all panic because there is no way around the new proposed rules.
However on this thread one of the biggest scaremongers(whose had his dream come true with the appoinment of Mancini)openly states that Roberto should be given as much time as possible regardless of the fact that if he dilly dallies Platinis plans will still be there but somehow the fact we have Mancini we will be able to get in the CL even if he takes a couple of years to get us there.Not the case in other threads.

If it was already too late, and nobody has said it will be just that it could be, then what would be the point in changing manager again? Plan B is "the Academy stupid" and Mancini and Kidd are the two best people I know of for bringing young players through...

If Mancini cant deliver fourth and a cup there was no point in getting rid of Hughes.He will have done no better.So unless he delivers what he has said himself is his target what is the point of keeping him.And if he doesn't deliver he should be got rid off.
And what do you mean that it isnt to late.If it isnt to late why do you start all the scarmongering in threads about what could(and to any resonable person wont) possibly happen, but wont.I would think somebody with your massive intellect would put it into finding ways to overcome Platinis stupid plans wheras you prefer to scaremonger until it threatens to undermine the chosen one

He will have done no better in 6 months than Hughes did in 18. Unlike some people, the Sheikh isn't a spoilt brat and will give Khaldoon's choice time to show his worth. Unless we actually go visibly backwards then he will be given a full season at least.

How long he gets is not the issue that youv'e been bangin your drum about though is it?
Youv'e been quite vocal saying if we dont make top 4 this year we can kiss the CL goodbye cos Platini will have changed the rules by then.
And now because it might mean your Chosen one might not achieve the target he has publically set its "could" all of a sudden.

[Original Dub]

What I dont get is that on previous threads we have been told that unless we get 4th this season(the reason for the sheikh spending the next few years budget investment in the academy and the sacking of Hughes to list a few)we might aswell forget any dreams we have of the CL because Platini will have chaned the rules with us specifically in mind.And we should all panic because there is no way around the new proposed rules.
However on this thread one of the biggest scaremongers(whose had his dream come true with the appoinment of Mancini)openly states that Roberto should be given as much time as possible regardless of the fact that if he dilly dallies Platinis plans will still be there but somehow the fact we have Mancini we will be able to get in the CL even if he takes a couple of years to get us there.Not the case in other threads.

If it was already too late, and nobody has said it will be just that it could be, then what would be the point in changing manager again? Plan B is "the Academy stupid" and Mancini and Kidd are the two best people I know of for bringing young players through...

If Mancini cant deliver fourth and a cup there was no point in getting rid of Hughes.He will have done no better.So unless he delivers what he has said himself is his target what is the point of keeping him.And if he doesn't deliver he should be got rid off.
And what do you mean that it isnt to late.If it isnt to late why do you start all the scarmongering in threads about what could(and to any resonable person wont) possibly happen, but wont.I would think somebody with your massive intellect would put it into finding ways to overcome Platinis stupid plans wheras you prefer to scaremonger until it threatens to undermine the chosen one

He will have done no better in 6 months than Hughes did in 18. Unlike some people, the Sheikh isn't a spoilt brat and will give Khaldoon's choice time to show his worth. Unless we actually go visibly backwards then he will be given a full season at least.

How long he gets is not the issue that youv'e been bangin your drum about though is it?
Youv'e been quite vocal saying if we dont make top 4 this year we can kiss the CL goodbye cos Platini will have changed the rules by then.
And now because it might mean your Chosen one might not achieve the target he has publically set its "could" all of a sudden.

Well said mate.

Its amazing how its not imperitive anymore to make top four?

I said this already and some took me up as having a thing against Mancini which isn't true - Mancini was brought in to achieve top four THIS SEASON. That is his mission, regardless of who was in charge before, or as Socs says, "how many points we dropped under Hughes"... in fact its regardless of how many points we gained because of Mark hughes... Top four. End of fucking story.

That's not ME giving him that target - I don't do that kind of shit "He has til March and if this or that doesn't happen I want him gone..." etc. He'll be gone when the owners want him gone... they call the shots and the shot THEY'VE called for Mancini is Top four THIS SEASON.

For the record - I think he'll do it.

[BobKowalski]

BobKowalski wrote:

If we miss 4th but are the 4th best club from the point Mancini takes over then we would be 5th. And 5th is nowhere. ADUG sacked Hughes and brought in Mancini to get a top 4 spot. If they wanted excuses as to why we finished 5th then they might as well have kept Hughes because Hughes wrote the book on excuses.

I don't have an issue with an employee being hired to fulfill a specific brief. If they don't fill that brief then the employee in question needs a bloody good reason. If that reason is valid then fine but finishing 'fourth best since I took over' isn't a good reason as the response will be 'well you should have finished third or higher'.

ADUG did act ruthlessly and quickly over Hughes. It surprised people but it shouldn't have. ADUG have pumped millions in over a short space of time and could see an great opportunity to achieve their first objective. A Champs League spot. When that looked like ebbing away amidst talk of another tranche of players to replace one lot of underperfoming players who had themsleves been brought in to replace the first lot of underperforming players there was only one way it was going to end and end it did. For Hughes.

Yes the media sobbed and wailed over the demise of the 'best potential British manager' at the helm of a top 4 club blah, blah and yes the absurd over reaction did I believe surprise ADUG, hell it surprised me. You would have thought the Sheikh had personally shot Bambi, Bambi's mum and Lassie for good measure the way they carried on. But I kind of suspect that when it comes to a choice between upsetting the media and achieving their ambition for world domination in football then the media had best stock up on tissues and faux outrage. And sacking managers is like murder. Second time round it's a lot easier. Allegedly.

PS One last thing. I'm a fan of Mancini. I like the guy and I am impressed by what I have seen so far. I really want him to succeed but I ain't going to be sentimental about it.

I think this is a brilliant post which is very common from Bobkowalski and I would like to state right now that he should/will be a shoe in for legend status next year.

Keep 'em coming Bobkowalski!!

Cheers

After that build up you just know I will end up doing a 'Sven' and be pants from hereon in :)

[Wonderwall]

true RH, considering what Hughes started with and had to build from and what Mancini has to start with and build from! Its worlds apart.

(svens last game in charge)
Isaksson, Jihai, Corluka, Dunne, Ball, Ireland, Gelson, Petrov (Elano 71), Garrido, Vassell (Hamann 62), Mwaruwari (Castillo 13).
Subs Not Used: Hart, Caicedo.

(Hughes last game in charge)
Given, Richards (Zabaleta), Sylvinho, Toure, Onuoha, Barry, Ireland, Bellamy, W-Phillips (Kompany), S Cruz, Tevez. Subs not used: Robinho, Adebayor, Weiss, Taylor.

[Beefymcfc]

The truth is, time will only tell if Mancio will be with us after this season. His remit from the board, and probably his selling point, was a Top 4 finish (not just fourth) and if he doesn't achieve it, then he may be out on his ear. Let's not forget that 'The Special One' is looking for a route back into the Prem and from where I'm standing, we would be the best proposition for him with the current team and money available. And, as we all know, he does like to take on clubs that have a more than realistic chance of winning the league. Combined with Mancio's slip regarding the 6 month plus 3 years, it is more than feasible to believe that Jose has been to Abu Dhabi for a holiday recently!

[Socrates]

How long he gets is not the issue that youv'e been bangin your drum about though is it?
Youv'e been quite vocal saying if we dont make top 4 this year we can kiss the CL goodbye cos Platini will have changed the rules by then.
And now because it might mean your Chosen one might not achieve the target he has publically set its "could" all of a sudden.

Well said mate.

Its amazing how its not imperitive anymore to make top four?

I said this already and some took me up as having a thing against Mancini which isn't true - Mancini was brought in to achieve top four THIS SEASON. That is his mission, regardless of who was in charge before, or as Socs says, "how many points we dropped under Hughes"... in fact its regardless of how many points we gained because of Mark hughes... Top four. End of fucking story.

That's not ME giving him that target - I don't do that kind of shit "He has til March and if this or that doesn't happen I want him gone..." etc. He'll be gone when the owners want him gone... they call the shots and the shot THEY'VE called for Mancini is Top four THIS SEASON.

For the record - I think he'll do it.

Have you caught "ignorant bastard that can't read" disease as well? It is very, very important we do everything to make the top 4 this season, if we don't and Platini's rules did come in as originally said in 2012, rather than 2013 as is now being said, and it is too late how PRAY will changing the manager then help??? The decision if that worst case scenario came about would be based on what was best for going forward from there. That means someone who will bring Academy players through. Who would you then suggest who has a better record of that than Mancini?

[Socrates]

Also has to be pointed out from the above that to quote Sven's last game squad as Hughes's starting point is utterly disingenuous as the squad was down to it's bare bones with injuries and suspensions that day.

[Rag_hater]

How long he gets is not the issue that youv'e been bangin your drum about though is it?
Youv'e been quite vocal saying if we dont make top 4 this year we can kiss the CL goodbye cos Platini will have changed the rules by then.
And now because it might mean your Chosen one might not achieve the target he has publically set its "could" all of a sudden.

Well said mate.

Its amazing how its not imperitive anymore to make top four?

I said this already and some took me up as having a thing against Mancini which isn't true - Mancini was brought in to achieve top four THIS SEASON. That is his mission, regardless of who was in charge before, or as Socs says, "how many points we dropped under Hughes"... in fact its regardless of how many points we gained because of Mark hughes... Top four. End of fucking story.

That's not ME giving him that target - I don't do that kind of shit "He has til March and if this or that doesn't happen I want him gone..." etc. He'll be gone when the owners want him gone... they call the shots and the shot THEY'VE called for Mancini is Top four THIS SEASON.

For the record - I think he'll do it.

Have you caught "ignorant bastard that can't read" disease as well? It is very, very important we do everything to make the top 4 this season, if we don't and Platini's rules did come in as originally said in 2012, rather than 2013 as is now being said, and it is too late how PRAY will changing the manager then help??? The decision if that worst case scenario came about would be based on what was best for going forward from there. That means someone who will bring Academy players through. Who would you then suggest who has a better record of that than Mancini?

If the "ignorant bastard that cant read"(I read that you hypocritical bastard) is aimed at me(If)you want to read some of the BS and lies youve come out with lately.