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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue May 06, 2014 10:43 pm

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We don't know that we have been mugged yet, it is all speculation.

But if they want to get bent on us, we can do the same. Just fund a couple of deals indirectly. We scratch someone's back, they scratch ours with some sponsorship. 20 smaller ones at fair markt value would do it.

I don't believe they have flagged the Etihad deal anyway, I don't see how they can, it is not a related party deal & it's not overpriced.

I hope you're right, obviously. But there's a funny smell around all this and its not just that emanating from Platini's armpits.


Oh I fully agree, but i don't think we've even started fighting back. We have cruised this so far.

There will come a point where even UEFA can't stop the cash coming in. Then they will realise we are also fucking miles ahead with our academy & regulate that instead; just watch.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby avoidconfusion » Tue May 06, 2014 10:44 pm

PSG punishment:

Sponsorship deal reduced from €200M to 100M


21 players instead of 25 in the CL


€60M transfer limit


Blocked payroll


€60M fine


€30M deficit limit instead of €45



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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Beefymcfc » Tue May 06, 2014 10:45 pm

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Beefymcfc wrote:We will not be painted as cheats, I know that for certain.

I think the Shiekh will be fuming personally over this as the Arab people do not like being called cheats especially when told one thing then being told something completely different.UEFA "If clubs can show a willingness to compliance with FFP rules leniency will be shown".

I'm not sure where all this has come from as I'm sure there is no disclosure until it's all been completed.

The Forces used to have a system where you'd march in and be told to either accept the punishment or challenge it and possibly accept something greater, even before you knew the outcome. Sound familiar?

A few years ago now, the Forces had to accept that what was happening was not legal after a few decided to use law to prove it was a totally unjust system. Why was that?

The issue here, if even a few million is to be believed, is that we would be seen as cheats and beholding to UEFA and it's G14 cartel. Our rep would be irreversibly damaged and we wouldn't be able to play a game, in the PL or CL, without being dubbed as the ones that cheated all of world sport; we'd be seen/portrayed as modern day drugs cheats in the eyes of many.

We have done everything to comply with the original regulations even though they weren't in place prior to us being taking over. We've liaised all the way through to ensure we comply and have been given assurances that we're there but now, it's changed?

I've always said I'll trust our owners in whatever they do and that's why I cannot see this story being true. How can we be so sure but then be so wrong; it defies belief.

Either way, I won't change my mind. It's a shit competition, only there to promote and fund the same teams that have cornered the market and use UEFA like a puppet.

PL and domestic football all the way for me and the 70 million we've made from UEFA over the last 3 seasons counts for nothing if we have to pay the majority of it back. Fuck, we end up losing with the investment we've put in.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby gillie » Tue May 06, 2014 10:47 pm

avoidconfusion wrote:PSG punishment:

Sponsorship deal reduced from €200M to 100M


21 players instead of 25 in the CL


€60M transfer limit


Blocked payroll


€60M fine


€30M deficit limit instead of €45



http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualit ... nir/462690

If they agree to that they have been told they will be in the clique next time round imo.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Beefymcfc » Tue May 06, 2014 10:53 pm

Sorry, forgot to say:

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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby FA cup winners 2006 » Tue May 06, 2014 11:45 pm

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/reports-of-record-%E2%82%AC60m-%C2%A349m-fine-for-psg-and-man-city

Decent article above on why and how we are being sanctioned (IF its true).

It seems to boil down to whether or not we are allowed to deduct the £80mill from pre June 2010 contracts. Our auditors (Deloitte) seem to have put forward that we should be because our adjusted losses for that year is less than the £80mill we would be deducting, however PWC (UEFA's Auditors) seem to have disputed some of Deloitte's figures and adjusted some figures so that our loss for the year 11/12 is greater than £80mill, thus meaning we cannot deduct any of the pre 2010 contracts.

If this is the course of events, then i hope that Sheikh Mansour can pull some strings in the Arab world and have PWC removed from all business there. Also would hope that Deloitte would not be letting this lie and would be following them for professional defamation, this will not look good for them at all.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby john68 » Wed May 07, 2014 12:47 am

I can understand all the anger and wish for revenge but this may not be as bad as everyone seems to think.

A couple of things
1st ... I thought it was made clear earlier in the thread that according to FiFA and UeFA rules, any FFPR ruling can only be dealt with by the CAS and notan ordinary court. My reading of this was that all clubs agree to that.
2nd...Settingup a breakaway League is in reality a non starter. The CL was set up by the G14 and the FFPR was designed by them to protect the huge profits generated for themselves. The G14 group contains all of the most powerful clubs, so powerful that UeFA caved in to them when they threatened to close UeFA down by taking the financial backers,sponsors and broadcasters with them into a breakaway League. Itis NOT UeFA opposing us, it is those powerful clubs. Form a breakaway League with whom? We leave, they stay, they have us out, which was the whole point of the FFPR exercise.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby john68 » Wed May 07, 2014 1:21 am

1...We are not 100% sure what the decision may be, nor the final outcome of negotiations.
2...£50M is payable over a number of years and will be discounted for future FFPR purposes.
3...Any sanction will only affect us for 1 year.

Consider the position we are now in. Financially in the top group of earners and competitive against the World's best. A position we only reached by investing big. So what if we did overspend? It took us from mid table Prem obscurity into the global public spotlight. Without that investment, we would still be chasing around for a Europa League place.

So whatever the outcome, it only hurts us for 1 year, it's an investment that will still pay off handsomely. Our wage bill is coming down, we no longer have a transfer premium to pay, commercially we are expanding and revenues from TV/Media, matchday and commercial activity are dramatically increasing.

We have an initial transfer window to sort out wage costs and homegrown players etc and a further window to readjust where necessary.

The only 2 unknown threats are a)...The possibility of a challenge by an affected club and a change/increase in sanction and the G14possibly forming their own breakaway Euro Super league with City excluded. Talks regarding a breakaway (20 clubs) have already taken place and we weren't invited.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby PrezIke » Wed May 07, 2014 2:21 am

pepsi_dave wrote:Great Article from the telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html

Uefa missing the real targets with their £50 million fine for Manchester City
European body is just grandstanding when they should be concentrating on stopping speculators who ram-raid clubs

By Paul Hayward, Chief Sports Writer


When Abu Dhabi’s rulers first decided to build a bonfire of hundreds of millions of pounds at Manchester City they would have laughed at the idea that blowing money was a crime punishable by Uefa sanctions. Imagine that: a sport where they throw a £50 million penalty at you for excessive generosity.
Strictly, Financial Fair Play (FFP) is an anti-subsidy initiative by a game that prostrates itself to foreign billionaires and then ticks them off for investing too much. It defiles the World Cup by awarding it to Qatar, then disapproves of Qatari spending at Paris St-Germain.

It says little about rampant ticket price inflation, the huge sums extracted by agents or grotesque individual player salaries. Whichever way you turn it, Uefa’s clumsy lunge at “fairness” has ended up being about two gulf states who jumped into football as an act of future-proofing because their oil was running out.

No torch is being held here for sovereign wealth. But the distortion of the London house market by foreign speculators, for example, is a far more serious issue than City paying Sergio Agüero’s wages via a so-called sweetheart deal with Etihad Airways.

Uefa-ologists might have spotted that president Michel Platini enjoys a cosy relationship with Qatar, who chose Paris as their investment outlet, and that it might have been somewhat awkward for Europe’s governing body to punish PSG without also directing their disapproval at City.

The clubs hit hardest by these arbitrary actions are those who had to spend heavily to raise underperforming clubs into the elite. City and PSG both fit this profile.
It was no surprise, then, to find Roman Abramovich broadly supportive of the FFP principle. Chelsea’s owner had already torched the kind of cash City and PSG have burned in the last three years. By endorsing the move to have such extravagance cast as a crime, Abramovich was simply blocking the way to new tycoons and therefore protecting his competitive advantage.

From Sheikh Mansour of Abu Dhabi’s viewpoint, a £50 million fine doubtless leaves a kind of moral stain. It implies financial doping, or even cheating, with its suggestion that the £35 million-a-year Etihad deal was really a polite way to cook the books.

As with PSG and the Qatari tourist board (£167 million), Uefa clearly believe that the deal was inflated to allow one part of an oil-rich state to subsidise another. And they might be right.

Yet the people who struck those deals are unlikely to appreciate being singled out in an industry that is synonymous with creative accounting. If in doubt, consider the mess Barcelona got themselves into over Neymar.

Nobody wants an unregulated free for all, or illegality, or the crushing of the poor by the rich. But Uefa’s punishment of City takes no account of the direction in which the club is heading or the socially constructive investment in the Etihad Campus in a deprived part of Manchester. Shiekh Mansour and his entourage are not philanthropists, but nor does their spending fit the template of outright decadence.

So far all that expenditure has bought them one Premier League title and not much headway in Europe. There is no wholesale buying of trophies because the Premier League is too competitive to allow it. This season City have had to fight Liverpool and Chelsea for the championship. The seductive allure of FFP is that helps the poorer against the richer. All it might do in this case is to make Abu Dhabi resent being stigmatised and cause them to question Uefa’s motives. You can see the speech bubble now: “They take our money and then fine us for giving it to them?”

A much greater problem, certainly in England, is clubs being ram-raided by speculators who seek to suck money out, not put it in. Portsmouth and Birmingham City are just two examples of clubs that have been treated like lumps of meat on an “investment” menu.

Many of us would like to see regulation attack that issue before the Uefa bureaucracy drives through arbitrary penalties against a club (City) who are putting money in, rather than taking it out, however vulgar it might sometimes seem.

Where is the £50 million fine for the Glazers for servicing their debts from Manchester United’s revenues? On this evidence, FFP is mere grandstanding.


this article hits it on the head really well for the most part. the hypocrisy is quite evident, and this isn't just some biased thinking.

the author acknowledges our owners are not innocent, but nor are the clubs behind this movement in support of this version of ffp (which is shockingly poorly constructed, in my view) who see us, and middle eastern investment as a threat to their status quo. i was impressed that the author pointed out how city and psg have owners aware of the investment in their clubs as being a long term investment while the oil market likely declines.

someone recently pointed to how it seems they are "making it up as they go along," and there are some indications this is true. i am somewhat shocked that some basic agreement as to the standard was not agreed upon. the major disagreement seems to be how we, with soriano, seemed to believe we would meet the standards and be okay, yet we are not according to uefa.

i get the idea of using us as and psg as an example, but is that really about fairness to the weakest, or making sure the elite clubs that have enjoyed their dominance keep all challengers away forever?

if you say: meet x criteria and your club is fine

and you do

and then say: your books are cooked

is it not funny when there was, as this author wrote in his first sentence...

no such measures when the abramovich's or real madrid's of the early 00's bought themselves into dominance existed, and that is forgotten...oh the old guard...

kindly piss off...
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Socrates » Wed May 07, 2014 4:51 am

FA cup winners 2006 wrote:http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/reports-of-record-%E2%82%AC60m-%C2%A349m-fine-for-psg-and-man-city

Decent article above on why and how we are being sanctioned (IF its true).

It seems to boil down to whether or not we are allowed to deduct the £80mill from pre June 2010 contracts. Our auditors (Deloitte) seem to have put forward that we should be because our adjusted losses for that year is less than the £80mill we would be deducting, however PWC (UEFA's Auditors) seem to have disputed some of Deloitte's figures and adjusted some figures so that our loss for the year 11/12 is greater than £80mill, thus meaning we cannot deduct any of the pre 2010 contracts.

If this is the course of events, then i hope that Sheikh Mansour can pull some strings in the Arab world and have PWC removed from all business there. Also would hope that Deloitte would not be letting this lie and would be following them for professional defamation, this will not look good for them at all.


Thanks for that link, is worth reproducing in full...

Reports of record €60m (£49m) fine for PSG and Man City
Posted by Ed Thompson on Tuesday, May 6, 2014
Following recent press reports, we now have a much better idea about the sanctions that are reportedly being offered to Manchester City and PSG. It is now up to the clubs to decide whether to accept the terms or risk a potentially more severe punishment. The punishment reported in the press raises a number of interesting questions:


Why is City’s fine so large?
When City filed their accounts, on the face of it they looked to have nominally passed the FFP Break Even test (after permitted exclusions). So even if a few items are adjusted downwards, it was not immediately apparent why they have been given the same punishment as PSG (a club that failed hugely and seem to have made little effort to comply). However on examination, City’s large fine seems to be due to some of the detail within the FFP rules - this is probably also why the club are reported to be so unhappy with the terms being offered to them.

The FFP rules include a provision to allow clubs to exclude wages paid in 2011/12 season to players who were at the club when the rules were introduced (May 2010). City have advised the press that around £80m of wages fall into this category. Without this exclusion City fail hugely. Crucially, the exclusion can only be applied if a number of criteria are ALL met. One of these criteria is that the wages paid to these long-standing players were “equal or higher than the deficit of the reporting period ending in 2012”. See page 94 of FFP Toolkit for relevant section

During 2011/12 City reported a loss of £97m. After a number of permitted exclusions are made, City’s adjusted deficit for the 2011/12 season is probably around £78m - If the relevant excludable wages were £80m, City are therefore right on the edge, with only a couple of million lee-way. Crucially, press reports suggest that the Etihad deal was adjusted downwards (and possibly a £13m Intellectual Property sale may also have been reduced by the CFCB). This would have been enough to ensure the wages exclusion could not be used. Rather than City recording a narrow fail, they are probably looking at a technical fail of over £100m - a figure that would seem to put them in the PSG bracket.

I am grateful to @MatsRy for first raising this as a potential issue. Matts is well worth following on Twitter and for example recently broke the news that QPR have mortgaged their parachute payments.

Will City’s fine cause future Break Even issues?
There seems to be a difference in opinion in the media about whether Man City’s £50m fine will count towards any future FFP Break Even test. Some have reported that the fine would be excluded - on the face of it, this makes sense as it would make it harder to pass the test in future years. However as they stand, the FFP rules don’t currently contain the provision for fines to be excluded.

Interestingly, BBC’s 5 Live’s @richard_conway reports that the fine is actually a phased deduction from central Champions League prize revenue over three seasons. If this were the case, then it seems likely that the deduction WOULD impact the Break Even test present issues in future years.

The accounting treatment of the fine has other interesting dimensions. From this season (2013/14), new spending constraint rules have been in place in the Premier League. These restrict wage increases to a maximum of £4m per season, or to the value of a club’s ‘Own Revenue Uplift’ if greater than £4m. This Own Revenue Uplift is effectively made up of changes in Commercial income, plus profit on player trading, plus changes in Champions League revenue. The issue for City is how the ‘fine’ will be treated by the Premier League for the purposes of revenue uplift if it represents a reduction in Champions League Revenue. If Conway is correct, it seems likely that the UEFA’s sanction would restrict the club’s ability to increase their wage bill next season (although the club recently forecasted an increase in Commercial Income for the 2013/14 season).

It is worth pointing that City’s last reported wage-bill was much higher than the previous year’s as it included Mancini’s pay-off. In previous years, City, like other PL clubs have categorised managerial pay-off as one-off Exceptional items (rather than as Wages). By boosting their wage-bill in the 2012/13 season, the club have insulated themselves against some of the impact of the PL constraint rules and also against UEFA’s proposed/intended punishment. It will be interesting to see if following events at UEFA, Premier League clubs consider objecting to City’s unusual treatment of Mancini’s pay-off.

I am grateful for the input of @Nazdagama into this piece. Naz is an an Investment Banker working in Italy and active on Twitter.

Related Party Transactions and the Premier League
As we know, Man City (and PSG)’s auditing team didn’t classify the Ethiad (or QTA) deal as a Related Party Transaction (i.e. a transaction with someone connected to the club, potentially for an inflated value). However, according to press reports, UEFA’s CFCB panel seem to have made a different call.

Interestingly, the Premier League and UEFA differ on how to determine whether a deal is a Related Party Transaction . Whereas UEFA will look at the deals and make their own decision on whether they are Related, the Premier League’s spending rules will rely entirely on the classification used by auditors employed by the club. Only if the deal is determined to be a Related Party Transaction can it be adjusted to ‘fair-value’

It will be interesting to see if clubs now press for a review of the Premier League’s approach.

City’s accountancy team
City’s punishment suggests that City may have scored an own-goal when they recruited a crack team from Deloittes accountants to work round the rules. Reportedly at great expense, they recruited the same Deloittes team who drew up the FFP rule as their dedicated account-preparation team. The rationale was that they should know where the loop-holes were within the rules. Mindful of this, UEFA brought in rival firm PWC to carry-out their audit of City’s accounts. It is interesting to wonder whether inter-firm rivalry contributed in any way to the outcome. As things have panned-out, despite City’s endeavours, they have been treated in the same as PSG (a club that adopted a fairly naïve and foolhardy approach the Break-Even rules).
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Socrates » Wed May 07, 2014 4:54 am

What is worth mentioning from the financialfairplay.co.uk article is the worrying indication that the fine may be taken as a reduction in CL revenue rather than be a straight "fine." This would mean that it could, after all, impact future UEFA ffp assessment but also impact on domestic ffp too :(
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Postby Benjay » Wed May 07, 2014 5:30 am

An excellent piece by Paul Hayward in the Telegraph today. Have a look. I really could not put it any better. The majority of sensible UK journalists seem to be with us on this.
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Postby Dubciteh » Wed May 07, 2014 5:41 am

Benjay wrote:An excellent piece by Paul Hayward in the Telegraph today. Have a look. I really could not put it any better. The majority of sensible UK journalists seem to be with us on this.


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Postby Socrates » Wed May 07, 2014 5:42 am

Benjay wrote:An excellent piece by Paul Hayward in the Telegraph today. Have a look. I really could not put it any better. The majority of sensible UK journalists seem to be with us on this.


No need for people to have a look as was already reproduced on the previous page of this thread! Is indeed a worthy article...
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Postby zuricity » Wed May 07, 2014 5:49 am

In a way it all makes sense. we buy Messi in the summer, that alone brings in sponsorship deals , more money, more gravy for Platini to ladle on his fattened duck, Eufa nabs a bit of the cash. Platini can buy a few houses ( that's what ex footballers do isn't it?) with his bonuses. Messi gets to play CL footy,
Rodgers gets sacked. The teeth moves to Madrid.
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Someone in Switzerland collects the 50,000 votes needed to force a referendum on UEFA and FIFA accounting transparency and Bobs yer uncle.Sorted.
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Postby Dubciteh » Wed May 07, 2014 5:58 am

Dubciteh wrote:
Benjay wrote:An excellent piece by Paul Hayward in the Telegraph today. Have a look. I really could not put it any better. The majority of sensible UK journalists seem to be with us on this.


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Postby Socrates » Wed May 07, 2014 6:24 am

Even Oliver Holt is behind us in the Mirror!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-city-deserve-much-better-3505526?

Manchester City deserve much better than being hounded by UEFA over FFP and ignored by the nation
The champions-elect we all forgot this season amid Liverpool's fairytale charge back into title contention represent the best of football, writes Oliver Holt

Manchester City and their fans are entitled to feel aggrieved.

Tonight, the Blues can take a giant step closer to winning one of the most thrilling title races of recent years in English football.

If they thrash Aston Villa at the Etihad, City could become the only team to join the Chelsea of 2009-10 in scoring 100 goals in a Premier League season.

It would be more proof that they have played some ­wonderfully swashbuckling ­football on their way to the top.

And yet, City are the ­champions-elect we all forgot.

They are the side that got lost as we followed the compelling ­narrative of Liverpool’s underdog attempt to win their first title for 24 years.

City are the team with a boss who kept quiet while Jose ­Mourinho took all the attention with his talking and posturing.

City are the team who kept on amassing points while so many of us were captivated by the ­spectacle of the thousands lining Anfield Road before every home game, trying to will Liverpool to the title.

They are the club with the narrative of their own, the club that established itself ­incontrovertibly as the leading team in Manchester as United fell from grace.

And even now ­Liverpool and Chelsea have faded from the picture, still the ­headlines are not about City’s ­excellence.

Instead, it’s about the estimated £49million fine UEFA are set to attempt to impose on them for breaching Financial Fair Play ­regulations.

Something is wrong with FFP if it punishes a regime that is pouring millions into the ­regeneration of a deprived area of East Manchester.

Nobody is suggesting that Sheikh Mansour and his cohorts are driven by altruism but ­whatever their motives, it is hard not to admire much of what is happening at City.

Their youth set-up is so ­impressive, former United players are sending their kids to train there. They are pouring funds into a women’s team in the WSL, too. Their campus is a centre of ­excellence, a model of the way forward.

That is the problem with FFP - it enshrines the principle that might is right, big equals good. It seeks to perpetuate the hegemony of the clubs with the most supporters and the most revenue. There is no fantasy about it.

City’s story represents the dream of every downtrodden club, every poor relation - that one day it can be propelled to the top.

It has happened in front of us at Manchester City, and all UEFA want to do is punish them for it.

They distrust the rise of smaller clubs. It threatens their vested interests.

The irony is City stand on the brink of an achievement that deserves to be celebrated more than anything else they have done. They have gone head-to-head with a Liverpool side that appeared to have an unstoppable momentum and they seem to have outlasted them.

This is not the often-pragmatic side marshalled by Roberto Mancini. This is a team of ­wonderfully skilful players Manuel Pellegrini has moulded into a breathtaking attacking unit.

Some of their football towards the turn of the year was sublime.

They were at their unstoppable best when they could pair Sergio Aguero, whose season has been disrupted by injury, and Alvaro Negredo in attack.

In November and December, they stuck seven past Norwich, six past Tottenham, four past Fulham and six past Arsenal.

This is a team overflowing with flair, with the likes of David Silva, Samir Nasri, Jesus Navas.

This is a team that has the might and grace of Yaya Toure at its heart.

If City hold their nerve and win their second title in three years at the Etihad on Sunday, forget the petty objections of the joyless bureaucrats at UEFA.

Because it will be a triumph for a team that represents the best of football.

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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Dunne's Half-Time Pint » Wed May 07, 2014 6:26 am

zuricity wrote:In a way it all makes sense. we buy Messi in the summer, that alone brings in sponsorship deals , more money, more gravy for Platini to ladle on his fattened duck, Eufa nabs a bit of the cash. Platini can buy a few houses ( that's what ex footballers do isn't it?) with his bonuses. Messi gets to play CL footy, Rodgers gets sacked. The teeth moves to Madrid. The rags crumble under Van 'H'gaal, ( how come the illiterates on Talkcrap, the beeb, refer to Maureen as Joe-say and not 'Hosey'?). Someone in Switzerland collects the 50,000 votes needed to force a referendum on UEFA and FIFA accounting transparency and Bobs yer uncle.Sorted.


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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Wooders » Wed May 07, 2014 6:42 am

Even Carragher and ratboy think ffp is wrong in our/chelseas situation
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed May 07, 2014 8:56 am

It's strange that quite a few usual 'hostiles' seem to have suddenly started coming out on our side.

It's as if the penny has suddenly dropped & they've realised what ffp is actually about rather than what they were told it's about.

It's also interesting to read some of the comments from fans. Arsenal, Utd etc fans mostly cheering it on & spewing venom, but quite a few lower league fans hoping City take it to court, as it effectively stops them from ever competing with the likes of Utd.

That actually leaves an even worse taste as it suggests the rags & Tarquins actually know full well that it's wrong but will cheer it on anyway, because it benefits them. The same mentality as their owners.
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