Champions League Games

[Hazy2]

How many off those mentioned have performed consistently well all season ?.Miner has been good as often as he has been bad,Barry can look World Class one week,and then look like he needs a walking stick the next.Zabba i would say is very consistent and he always gives 100%,very dependable player.Clichy again hit and miss,Vinnie has had a very poor season,injury has not helped.Last season he was our rock.

The point i am trying to make is that i very rarely see us perform to our optimum as i know we can regular.Even watching a game you can see it.We can play sublime football for 25 minutes and then go off the boil and be lucky to scrape a win.Aston Villa at home was a typical City Bi Polar performance 45 minutes of dire football and 45 minutes of cracking free flowing football.That for me was a typical City display this season.

i think this season has frustrated the shit out off Roberto Mancini.He cant be blamed for it.

like i said, give it a rest. you are watching a team playing in the semi final of the CL against non other than RM ! have you seen any of the spineless Dortmund Bundesliga games this season when they failed to turn up? particularly just before and after CL games ?

Dortmund have won it twice won the Cup and are now 2nd, not bad for 3yrs work, The Bayern run at the start of the season was it 12 wins on the bounce not sure seemed to blitz the league, The same with Madrid in Spain and us playing catch up. Klopp has done a great job of keeping them focused and Bayern taking the piss on the day of last night game announcing the Goetz signing.

[Cit.revenge]

Two best German clubs who destroy Spanish giants play with two wingers and one target man.But we will see , here is one more game to play for each.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Again, Edin Dzeko cost roughly the same as Dortmund's starting 11 last night I heard.
Staggering if true.

[Cit.revenge]

Again, Edin Dzeko cost roughly the same as Dortmund's starting 11 last night I heard.
Staggering if true.

What do u mean when they buy them or worth now because that is nothing strange for German team record of league is Martinez 40 mil .Edin cost Wolfsburg 2 mil and give 77 goals in 114 games that is good managment , Elber cost 2 mil Bayern and is one of the best forwards Bayern had .

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Again, Edin Dzeko cost roughly the same as Dortmund's starting 11 last night I heard.
Staggering if true.

What do u mean when they buy them or worth now because that is nothing strange for German team record of league is Martinez 40 mil .Edin cost Wolfsburg 2 mil and give 77 goals in 114 games that is good managment , Elber cost 2 mil Bayern and is one of the best forwards Bayern had .

Dortmund's starting 11 cost them 28 million.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Again, Edin Dzeko cost roughly the same as Dortmund's starting 11 last night I heard.
Staggering if true.

What do u mean when they buy them or worth now because that is nothing strange for German team record of league is Martinez 40 mil .Edin cost Wolfsburg 2 mil and give 77 goals in 114 games that is good managment , Elber cost 2 mil Bayern and is one of the best forwards Bayern had .

Dortmund's starting 11 cost them 28 million.

It is impressive alright, as always it'll be interesting to see if they can keep it up. My friend who's a Dortmund fan seems to think they'll have a hard time to repeat the feat of bringing through so many youngsters that they have done. Only ten years ago they were buying overpriced players and almost killed themselves off financially. Let's hope they won't be slipping into old habits.

[I Just Blue Myself]

i hope with the Gotze money Dotmund offers Lewandowski a nice fat contract to stay. and then buys the next Reus for 8m.

Why? Dortmund fan?

I thought he is a self-proclaimed Schweinsteiger/Bayern fan?

[phips]

i hope with the Gotze money Dotmund offers Lewandowski a nice fat contract to stay. and then buys the next Reus for 8m.

Why? Dortmund fan?

I thought he is a self-proclaimed Schweinsteiger/Bayern fan?

i forgot....we're only allowed to enjoy watching 1 team, is that it?

[Original Dub]

i forgot....we're only allowed to enjoy watching 1 team, is that it?

No, not at all. I enjoy watching lots of teams.

But of those teams if I thought for one second any one of their players could improve Manchester City I wouldn't be hoping said team held on to said player.

Of course. I can't believe I had to explain that. But hey ho. High five. Fuck yeah.

[Cit.revenge]

Again, Edin Dzeko cost roughly the same as Dortmund's starting 11 last night I heard.
Staggering if true.

What do u mean when they buy them or worth now because that is nothing strange for German team record of league is Martinez 40 mil .Edin cost Wolfsburg 2 mil and give 77 goals in 114 games that is good managment , Elber cost 2 mil Bayern and is one of the best forwards Bayern had .

Dortmund's starting 11 cost them 28 million.

For German club nothing strange ,only Bayern have big transfers there and they start few years back but again bigest transfer 40 mil. In Germany u will not find club not even Bayern to spend money just on a name without a long term plan.And well Klopp is one of the best managers he created wining team from nothing.

[Clowncrete]

Again, Edin Dzeko cost roughly the same as Dortmund's starting 11 last night I heard.
Staggering if true.

What do u mean when they buy them or worth now because that is nothing strange for German team record of league is Martinez 40 mil .Edin cost Wolfsburg 2 mil and give 77 goals in 114 games that is good managment , Elber cost 2 mil Bayern and is one of the best forwards Bayern had .

Dortmund's starting 11 cost them 28 million.

For German club nothing strange ,only Bayern have big transfers there and they start few years back but again bigest transfer 40 mil. In Germany u will not find club not even Bayern to spend money just on a name without a long term plan.And well Klopp is one of the best managers he created wining team from nothing.

I think he means that we can learn something from BVB's example. If we want to beat the Financial unfair play rules, we need to get talent for cheap like that and develop it. We are already in the top elite of world football so it won't be as hard to attract and maintain talent unlike in the past.

[zuricity]

I think he means that we can learn something from BVB's example. If we want to beat the Financial unfair play rules, we need to get talent for cheap like that and develop it. We are already in the top elite of world football so it won't be as hard to attract and maintain talent unlike in the past.

and that is what we are doing !!! Why do you think the owner is building a massive complex?

Rome wasn't built in a day and City aren't the perfect finished product yet .

[Risby]

and that is what we are doing !!! Why do you think the owner is building a massive complex?

Rome wasn't built in a day and City aren't the perfect finished product yet .

Anyone know the answer to this? I understand that we can not have another team (2nd team) play in the football league to bring our young players through, but is there anything stopping our owner buying a lower league team to use it to train the young lads? Keep the name and everything that goes with it, but use it for our own purpose.
For example - sheik buys Bury. Bury register our elite development side. They play the seasons game under the Bury badge and as seasons go on, if anyone shows ability, register them back with city through a minimal signing fee.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Again, Edin Dzeko cost roughly the same as Dortmund's starting 11 last night I heard.
Staggering if true.

What do u mean when they buy them or worth now because that is nothing strange for German team record of league is Martinez 40 mil .Edin cost Wolfsburg 2 mil and give 77 goals in 114 games that is good managment , Elber cost 2 mil Bayern and is one of the best forwards Bayern had .

Dortmund's starting 11 cost them 28 million.

It is impressive alright, as always it'll be interesting to see if they can keep it up. My friend who's a Dortmund fan seems to think they'll have a hard time to repeat the feat of bringing through so many youngsters that they have done. Only ten years ago they were buying overpriced players and almost killed themselves off financially. Let's hope they won't be slipping into old habits.

I really like Dortmund atm. Great side to watch, so much energy and passion mixed in with quality.

But yeah it wasn't an attack on city or even Dzeko just pointing out how perhaps teams now adays don't need hundreds of millions to challenge.

[Clowncrete]

and that is what we are doing !!! Why do you think the owner is building a massive complex?

Rome wasn't built in a day and City aren't the perfect finished product yet .

Anyone know the answer to this? I understand that we can not have another team (2nd team) play in the football league to bring our young players through, but is there anything stopping our owner buying a lower league team to use it to train the young lads? Keep the name and everything that goes with it, but use it for our own purpose.
For example - sheik buys Bury. Bury register our elite development side. They play the seasons game under the Bury badge and as seasons go on, if anyone shows ability, register them back with city through a minimal signing fee.

Hasn't the owner of Udinese and Granada bought Watford and is loaning players wholesale to Watford? So much so, that the FA was considering setting a limit for loanees?

[zuricity]

Hasn't the owner of Udinese and Granada bought Watford and is loaning players wholesale to Watford? So much so, that the FA was considering setting a limit for loanees?

Basel - Chelsea, also a cracking game, but once again you would expect this in a Semi Final

[Risby]

Hasn't the owner of Udinese and Granada bought Watford and is loaning players wholesale to Watford? So much so, that the FA was considering setting a limit for loanees?

Never knew that so I can't comment.
But someone has already tried it then. Although it could be an answer to many things.
1. It would stop lower league teams folding.
2. Young English players will be given opportunities to prove themselves for bigger clubs rather than playing lower league football with not many opportunities to play for a premier league club.
3. Local teams would become more appealing again because tickets would be cheaper and they would be able to see rising stars (hopefully).

[Cocacolajojo1]

Again, Edin Dzeko cost roughly the same as Dortmund's starting 11 last night I heard.
Staggering if true.

What do u mean when they buy them or worth now because that is nothing strange for German team record of league is Martinez 40 mil .Edin cost Wolfsburg 2 mil and give 77 goals in 114 games that is good managment , Elber cost 2 mil Bayern and is one of the best forwards Bayern had .

Dortmund's starting 11 cost them 28 million.

For German club nothing strange ,only Bayern have big transfers there and they start few years back but again bigest transfer 40 mil. In Germany u will not find club not even Bayern to spend money just on a name without a long term plan.And well Klopp is one of the best managers he created wining team from nothing.

I think he means that we can learn something from BVB's example. If we want to beat the Financial unfair play rules, we need to get talent for cheap like that and develop it. We are already in the top elite of world football so it won't be as hard to attract and maintain talent unlike in the past.

THe thing is though, did BVB do something that we can learn something from or was it just a coincidence? Not an attack on your post mate, just an honest question about your opinion?

It seems to me that these things pop up all the times, like Real Sociedad in la Liga for example, and then we football fans go bonkers because that, to bring up youth players and be able to watch them blossom from talent to ability, is so deeply connected to our imaginations about the pure game. But can anyone here honestly think about a team that has constantly been able to put out their own youth players for year after year? My hunch is that is often has something to do with coincidence, I.E. the right people at the right time in the right place. A youth coach or two, who has a good repertoire with the first team management. Some skilled youth players who get the right encouragement and drive each other forward. A lack of money (always important, often forgot) which forces the club to play it's youth players rather than import talent. A manager that sees the potential in players and can develop it.

Perhaps not all of these factors are necessary but it takes a few and it I think it only takes the breakdown of one or two of these and then your stuck with a bunch of talented but non-developing youth players on the one hand and a bunch of impatient fans on the other hand and a slipping league position on the third hand.

And before someone mentions Barcelona, I would like to point out that they have yet to find a replacement for Xavi as well as for Iniesta. And Messi for that matter. The test for their so called world class academy will come when Xavi quits and Iniesta leaves for City (one can dream can't he?). I don't think they'll make it with their own players. Iniesta and Xavi are geniuses both of them. You can't produce that like it's a factory made commodity.

[mr_nool]

THe thing is though, did BVB do something that we can learn something from or was it just a coincidence? Not an attack on your post mate, just an honest question about your opinion?

It seems to me that these things pop up all the times, like Real Sociedad in la Liga for example, and then we football fans go bonkers because that, to bring up youth players and be able to watch them blossom from talent to ability, is so deeply connected to our imaginations about the pure game. But can anyone here honestly think about a team that has constantly been able to put out their own youth players for year after year? My hunch is that is often has something to do with coincidence, I.E. the right people at the right time in the right place. A youth coach or two, who has a good repertoire with the first team management. Some skilled youth players who get the right encouragement and drive each other forward. A lack of money (always important, often forgot) which forces the club to play it's youth players rather than import talent. A manager that sees the potential in players and can develop it.

Perhaps not all of these factors are necessary but it takes a few and it I think it only takes the breakdown of one or two of these and then your stuck with a bunch of talented but non-developing youth players on the one hand and a bunch of impatient fans on the other hand and a slipping league position on the third hand.

And before someone mentions Barcelona, I would like to point out that they have yet to find a replacement for Xavi as well as for Iniesta. And Messi for that matter. The test for their so called world class academy will come when Xavi quits and Iniesta leaves for City (one can dream can't he?). I don't think they'll make it with their own players. Iniesta and Xavi are geniuses both of them. You can't produce that like it's a factory made commodity.

That's a very good post, mate! I totally agree.
Of course the success rate of your youth academy depends on how much money you put into it, which kids you scout, the quality of your youth coaches, etc. But a "golden generation" coming through the academy roughly at the same time is also down to coincidence and pure luck.

That said, I think it is healthy for a club to have the ambition to bring through as many kids as possible, have a very good scouting network, and to limit their spending on "big names".

[Cit.revenge]

Do anybody see Bob putting hes trust in some kid he did not pick him self and buy.I do not , even Sinclair did not get fair chance two starts in whole season and few min of bench , witch player can show anything from two starts.Maybe this season we could have give more time some players like D.Suarez who play good against Watford .