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Re: Champions League Games

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:03 pm

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
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zabbadabbado wrote:They prove that you don’t need to have a side full of Stars; you need plenty of glue to stick the side together, workers, not household names but good technical players to complement the great players. Then throw in a very good technical minded manager and it makes for having a good side.

this is what ive been saying on here for awhile. i wish Bob would understand this. you cant just buy the best players from everywhere and put em in a team and expect to win.


I'm sure Bob does understand this. He is constantly emphasising the point of working hard.

@zabbadabbado, glue like Milner, Barry, Zaba, Clichy, Vinnie etc.?

I'm sure Bob hasn't got a clue. Winning near enough everything you can in the Italian league and then winning the top honours in the Premier League isn't really something you could sing about.

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Re: Champions League Games

Postby zabbadabbado » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:09 pm

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
phips wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:They prove that you don’t need to have a side full of Stars; you need plenty of glue to stick the side together, workers, not household names but good technical players to complement the great players. Then throw in a very good technical minded manager and it makes for having a good side.

this is what ive been saying on here for awhile. i wish Bob would understand this. you cant just buy the best players from everywhere and put em in a team and expect to win.


I'm sure Bob does understand this. He is constantly emphasising the point of working hard.

@zabbadabbado, glue like Milner, Barry, Zaba, Clichy, Vinnie etc.?
How many off those mentioned have performed consistently well all season ?.Miner has been good as often as he has been bad,Barry can look World Class one week,and then look like he needs a walking stick the next.Zabba i would say is very consistent and he always gives 100%,very dependable player.Clichy again hit and miss,Vinnie has had a very poor season,injury has not helped.Last season he was our rock.

The point i am trying to make is that i very rarely see us perform to our optimum as i know we can regular.Even watching a game you can see it.We can play sublime football for 25 minutes and then go off the boil and be lucky to scrape a win.Aston Villa at home was a typical City Bi Polar performance 45 minutes of dire football and 45 minutes of cracking free flowing football.That for me was a typical City display this season.

i think this season has frustrated the shit out off Roberto Mancini.He cant be blamed for it.
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby freshie » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:12 pm

zabbadabbado wrote:These 2 Champions League Semi Finals first Legs have left plenty of food for thought.

Both Spanish giants were comprehensively out thought, and out fought.

The nice slow keep possession and passing game works well when sides stand off and let you play.Ironically we have suffered in games this season with a similar style

When a well drilled industrious side presses you up the pitch it doesn’t work so well.

We could learn a lot from the Germans, for starters they are well organized all through the side. They work very well as a collective unit. They prove that you don’t need to have a side full of Stars; you need plenty of glue to stick the side together, workers, not household names but good technical players to complement the great players. Then throw in a very good technical minded manager and it makes for having a good side.

[highlight]We very rarely play as a collective unit as these Germans do[/highlight], not just at Club level either but International level to.

Very impressed with Dortmund,think they play great football and have a great manager. Klopp dry Bummed Mourinho tonight


I have read quite a lot of your recent posts and you seem to have a massive hard on for Mancini, yet your assertion that we rarely play as a collective unit (which I completely disagree with by the way) would suggest that Mancini is not as great a manager as you claim
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby zabbadabbado » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:22 pm

freshie wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:These 2 Champions League Semi Finals first Legs have left plenty of food for thought.

Both Spanish giants were comprehensively out thought, and out fought.

The nice slow keep possession and passing game works well when sides stand off and let you play.Ironically we have suffered in games this season with a similar style

When a well drilled industrious side presses you up the pitch it doesn’t work so well.

We could learn a lot from the Germans, for starters they are well organized all through the side. They work very well as a collective unit. They prove that you don’t need to have a side full of Stars; you need plenty of glue to stick the side together, workers, not household names but good technical players to complement the great players. Then throw in a very good technical minded manager and it makes for having a good side.

[highlight]We very rarely play as a collective unit as these Germans do[/highlight], not just at Club level either but International level to.

Very impressed with Dortmund,think they play great football and have a great manager. Klopp dry Bummed Mourinho tonight


I have read quite a lot of your recent posts and you seem to have a massive hard on for Mancini, yet your assertion that we rarely play as a collective unit (which I completely disagree with by the way) would suggest that Mancini is not as great a manager as you claim
Where am i saying Roberto Mancini is not a great manager ?

Roberto Mancini is the best manager in England ,he cant be blamed because 2 maybe 3 different players take turns to have a shite game every time we play.

He sees his side fuck the RAGS at the swamp and says it how it is.He knows we have the best squad,he knows we have the best team.we play consistently as a collective unit we win the League,we play sporadically as a collective unit it means we finish second.

How fucking difficult is it to understand that ? we need to play well consistently rather than just turn up for the shite games and expect to win them ?
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:23 pm

zabbadabbado wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
phips wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:They prove that you don’t need to have a side full of Stars; you need plenty of glue to stick the side together, workers, not household names but good technical players to complement the great players. Then throw in a very good technical minded manager and it makes for having a good side.

this is what ive been saying on here for awhile. i wish Bob would understand this. you cant just buy the best players from everywhere and put em in a team and expect to win.


I'm sure Bob does understand this. He is constantly emphasising the point of working hard.

@zabbadabbado, glue like Milner, Barry, Zaba, Clichy, Vinnie etc.?
How many off those mentioned have performed consistently well all season ?.Miner has been good as often as he has been bad,Barry can look World Class one week,and then look like he needs a walking stick the next.Zabba i would say is very consistent and he always gives 100%,very dependable player.Clichy again hit and miss,Vinnie has had a very poor season,injury has not helped.Last season he was our rock.

The point i am trying to make is that i very rarely see us perform to our optimum as i know we can regular.Even watching a game you can see it.We can play sublime football for 25 minutes and then go off the boil and be lucky to scrape a win.Aston Villa at home was a typical City Bi Polar performance 45 minutes of dire football and 45 minutes of cracking free flowing football.That for me was a typical City display this season.

i think this season has frustrated the shit out off Roberto Mancini.He cant be blamed for it.


The players I've listed are examples of workers, they are the glue to compliment our star players. The problem as I see it is that some of our star players didn't always give their all this season.

Mancini has to share the blame, he has dropped the ball on occasion too. I have some doubts about Mancini but I think he deserves more respect than he gets from some fans on these message boards. I think he at least deserves the opportunity to right the wrongs of this season and have another crack at it next season.
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby Original Dub » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:27 pm

zabbadabbado wrote:Mate, if we played regularly as a collective unit we would now be English Champions

We have the best squad in the Premiership. On our day we are untouchable, we have proved that doing the rags twice away in 2 seasons.

The trouble is we have far too many matches where our big game players simply do not turn up. It has cost us this season.

We need to play as a collective unit more frequently that is a fact.

Pretty sure Roberto Mancini would endorse this.He is looking for consistent performances. turning the RAGS away performance in to another 37 games

Playing as a collective unit frequently.

Sorry that upsets you, just my opinion.


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Re: Champions League Games

Postby freshie » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:29 pm

zabbadabbado wrote:
freshie wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:These 2 Champions League Semi Finals first Legs have left plenty of food for thought.

Both Spanish giants were comprehensively out thought, and out fought.

The nice slow keep possession and passing game works well when sides stand off and let you play.Ironically we have suffered in games this season with a similar style

When a well drilled industrious side presses you up the pitch it doesn’t work so well.

We could learn a lot from the Germans, for starters they are well organized all through the side. They work very well as a collective unit. They prove that you don’t need to have a side full of Stars; you need plenty of glue to stick the side together, workers, not household names but good technical players to complement the great players. Then throw in a very good technical minded manager and it makes for having a good side.

[highlight]We very rarely play as a collective unit as these Germans do[/highlight], not just at Club level either but International level to.

Very impressed with Dortmund,think they play great football and have a great manager. Klopp dry Bummed Mourinho tonight


I have read quite a lot of your recent posts and you seem to have a massive hard on for Mancini, yet your assertion that we rarely play as a collective unit (which I completely disagree with by the way) would suggest that Mancini is not as great a manager as you claim
Where am i saying Roberto Mancini is not a great manager ?

Roberto Mancini is the best manager in England ,he cant be blamed because 2 maybe 3 different players take turns to have a shite game every time we play.

He sees his side fuck the RAGS at the swamp and says it how it is.He knows we have the best squad,he knows we have the best team.we play consistently as a collective unit we win the League,we play sporadically as a collective unit it means we finish second.

How fucking difficult is it to understand that ? we need to play well consistently rather than just turn up for the shite games and expect to win them ?


You need to learn how to read and understand what is written - I said that your point suggests that Mancini is not as good as you would lead us to believe. I agree that the players have underperformed this season but Mancini has to take his share of the blame as well seeing as he picks the team and tactics. If it is all down to the players then why do football clubs employ managers? Why do we have a manager?

By the way it's Zabaleta not zabletta - you could at least learn to spell the name of your favourite player correctly
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby getdressedmctavish » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:29 pm

Big lesson to be learned here. Bert's style of play is out of date as are his ideas on team building... but then some of us knew that who aren't deceived by a few wins v championship teams. Expect City to grab the gift of the cup and then sort it out! Pace, balance, local pride, youth , energy, motivation, collective defending, humility. More overpaid over hyped "stars" are not the answer.
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby judythehippy » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:33 pm

all german final...oh dear.

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Re: Champions League Games

Postby zabbadabbado » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:35 pm

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
phips wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:They prove that you don’t need to have a side full of Stars; you need plenty of glue to stick the side together, workers, not household names but good technical players to complement the great players. Then throw in a very good technical minded manager and it makes for having a good side.

this is what ive been saying on here for awhile. i wish Bob would understand this. you cant just buy the best players from everywhere and put em in a team and expect to win.


I'm sure Bob does understand this. He is constantly emphasising the point of working hard.

@zabbadabbado, glue like Milner, Barry, Zaba, Clichy, Vinnie etc.?
How many off those mentioned have performed consistently well all season ?.Miner has been good as often as he has been bad,Barry can look World Class one week,and then look like he needs a walking stick the next.Zabba i would say is very consistent and he always gives 100%,very dependable player.Clichy again hit and miss,Vinnie has had a very poor season,injury has not helped.Last season he was our rock.

The point i am trying to make is that i very rarely see us perform to our optimum as i know we can regular.Even watching a game you can see it.We can play sublime football for 25 minutes and then go off the boil and be lucky to scrape a win.Aston Villa at home was a typical City Bi Polar performance 45 minutes of dire football and 45 minutes of cracking free flowing football.That for me was a typical City display this season.

i think this season has frustrated the shit out off Roberto Mancini.He cant be blamed for it.


The players I've listed are examples of workers, they are the glue to compliment our star players. The problem as I see it is that some of our star players didn't always give their all this season.

Mancini has to share the blame, he has dropped the ball on occasion too. I have some doubts about Mancini but I think he deserves more respect than he gets from some fans on these message boards. I think he at least deserves the opportunity to right the wrongs of this season and have another crack at it next season.
i agree,For me our 2 best performers this season have been Zabletta and Nastasic.I would give player of the season to Nastasic for showing a maturity way beyond his young age on the pitch.The rest have all been consistently inconsistent,and you are right our game changing players have been just as culpable .
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby freshie » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:35 pm

judythehippy wrote:all german final...oh dear.

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Why 'oh dear?'

They are probably the 2 best teams in Europe and I think a final between Dortmund and Bayern would be a great spectacle of attacking football
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:36 pm

getdressedmctavish wrote:Big lesson to be learned here. Bert's style of play is out of date as are his ideas on team building... but then some of us knew that who aren't deceived by a few wins v championship teams. Expect City to grab the gift of the cup and then sort it out! Pace, balance, local pride, youth , energy, motivation, collective defending, humility. More overpaid over hyped "stars" are not the answer.


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Re: Champions League Games

Postby zabbadabbado » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:39 pm

freshie wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:
freshie wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:These 2 Champions League Semi Finals first Legs have left plenty of food for thought.

Both Spanish giants were comprehensively out thought, and out fought.

The nice slow keep possession and passing game works well when sides stand off and let you play.Ironically we have suffered in games this season with a similar style

When a well drilled industrious side presses you up the pitch it doesn’t work so well.

We could learn a lot from the Germans, for starters they are well organized all through the side. They work very well as a collective unit. They prove that you don’t need to have a side full of Stars; you need plenty of glue to stick the side together, workers, not household names but good technical players to complement the great players. Then throw in a very good technical minded manager and it makes for having a good side.

[highlight]We very rarely play as a collective unit as these Germans do[/highlight], not just at Club level either but International level to.

Very impressed with Dortmund,think they play great football and have a great manager. Klopp dry Bummed Mourinho tonight


I have read quite a lot of your recent posts and you seem to have a massive hard on for Mancini, yet your assertion that we rarely play as a collective unit (which I completely disagree with by the way) would suggest that Mancini is not as great a manager as you claim
Where am i saying Roberto Mancini is not a great manager ?

Roberto Mancini is the best manager in England ,he cant be blamed because 2 maybe 3 different players take turns to have a shite game every time we play.

He sees his side fuck the RAGS at the swamp and says it how it is.He knows we have the best squad,he knows we have the best team.we play consistently as a collective unit we win the League,we play sporadically as a collective unit it means we finish second.

How fucking difficult is it to understand that ? we need to play well consistently rather than just turn up for the shite games and expect to win them ?


You need to learn how to read and understand what is written - I said that your point suggests that Mancini is not as good as you would lead us to believe. I agree that the players have underperformed this season but Mancini has to take his share of the blame as well seeing as he picks the team and tactics. If it is all down to the players then why do football clubs employ managers? Why do we have a manager?

By the way it's Zabaleta not zabletta - you could at least learn to spell the name of your favourite player correctly
apologies for being dyslexic.Not easy writing on a 7 inch laptop.Maybe i can run my posts by you to spell check them for me ?.

Or maybe you could stop trying to be pedantic ? ( did i spell that right :-) ).

we can then concentrate on footy debate instead of spelling,very childish.
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby freshie » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:43 pm

zabbadabbado wrote:
freshie wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:
freshie wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:These 2 Champions League Semi Finals first Legs have left plenty of food for thought.

Both Spanish giants were comprehensively out thought, and out fought.

The nice slow keep possession and passing game works well when sides stand off and let you play.Ironically we have suffered in games this season with a similar style

When a well drilled industrious side presses you up the pitch it doesn’t work so well.

We could learn a lot from the Germans, for starters they are well organized all through the side. They work very well as a collective unit. They prove that you don’t need to have a side full of Stars; you need plenty of glue to stick the side together, workers, not household names but good technical players to complement the great players. Then throw in a very good technical minded manager and it makes for having a good side.

[highlight]We very rarely play as a collective unit as these Germans do[/highlight], not just at Club level either but International level to.

Very impressed with Dortmund,think they play great football and have a great manager. Klopp dry Bummed Mourinho tonight


I have read quite a lot of your recent posts and you seem to have a massive hard on for Mancini, yet your assertion that we rarely play as a collective unit (which I completely disagree with by the way) would suggest that Mancini is not as great a manager as you claim
Where am i saying Roberto Mancini is not a great manager ?

Roberto Mancini is the best manager in England ,he cant be blamed because 2 maybe 3 different players take turns to have a shite game every time we play.

He sees his side fuck the RAGS at the swamp and says it how it is.He knows we have the best squad,he knows we have the best team.we play consistently as a collective unit we win the League,we play sporadically as a collective unit it means we finish second.

How fucking difficult is it to understand that ? we need to play well consistently rather than just turn up for the shite games and expect to win them ?


You need to learn how to read and understand what is written - I said that your point suggests that Mancini is not as good as you would lead us to believe. I agree that the players have underperformed this season but Mancini has to take his share of the blame as well seeing as he picks the team and tactics. If it is all down to the players then why do football clubs employ managers? Why do we have a manager?

By the way it's Zabaleta not zabletta - you could at least learn to spell the name of your favourite player correctly
apologies for being dyslexic.Not easy writing on a 7 inch laptop.Maybe i can run my posts by you to spell check them for me ?.

Or maybe you could stop trying to be pedantic ? ( did i spell that right :-) ).

we can then concentrate on footy debate instead of spelling,very childish.


Apology accepted - but don't do it again. And you still haven't answered my question
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:17 pm

judythehippy wrote:all german final...oh dear.

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Nowt wrong with that, they're good teams. As good as what we've seen, not really.

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Re: Champions League Games

Postby Esky » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:58 pm

Gundogan destroyed Real as he did to us. On Champion's League performances, he looks one of the best young midfielders playing.

I'd love Dortmund to win it, but I hope with Lewandowski's contract up next year that City are watching very closely.
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby phips » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:02 am

Esky wrote:I hope with Lewandowski's contract up next year that City are watching very closely.

i hope with the Gotze money Dotmund offers Lewandowski a nice fat contract to stay. and then buys the next Reus for 8m.
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby zuricity » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:40 am

zabbadabbado wrote:How many off those mentioned have performed consistently well all season ?.Miner has been good as often as he has been bad,Barry can look World Class one week,and then look like he needs a walking stick the next.Zabba i would say is very consistent and he always gives 100%,very dependable player.Clichy again hit and miss,Vinnie has had a very poor season,injury has not helped.Last season he was our rock.

The point i am trying to make is that i very rarely see us perform to our optimum as i know we can regular.Even watching a game you can see it.We can play sublime football for 25 minutes and then go off the boil and be lucky to scrape a win.Aston Villa at home was a typical City Bi Polar performance 45 minutes of dire football and 45 minutes of cracking free flowing football.That for me was a typical City display this season.

i think this season has frustrated the shit out off Roberto Mancini.He cant be blamed for it.


like i said, give it a rest. you are watching a team playing in the semi final of the CL against non other than RM ! have you seen any of the spineless Dortmund Bundesliga games this season when they failed to turn up? particularly just before and after CL games ?
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby Duckman » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:00 am

I really liked that Gundogan fella, but Hummels lost the ball on numerous occasions...
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Re: Champions League Games

Postby Original Dub » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:58 am

phips wrote:i hope with the Gotze money Dotmund offers Lewandowski a nice fat contract to stay. and then buys the next Reus for 8m.


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