jack grealish - what does he do?

[brite blu sky]

I just don't get rival fans booing him, why? Makes no sense.

Not even our rivals. Teams like Palace and Brighton booing him. It’s embarrassing because they’ll be loving him when England play.

I think it must be as simple as that they believe the rhetoric that Sky and the BBC and virtually all other media outlets spoon have spoon fed them almost daily since the takeover about how we have ruined football, spent obscene amounts of money, bought the title(s), inflated the transfer market, disrespected other teams by thrashing them and basically are the root of all evil. And that the “old brigade” of the rags, dippers, Arsenal etc are paragons of virtue who enhance football.

If a lie is told often enough it isn’t long before it’s accepted as the truth

Rhetoric and Propaganda supplies an easy narrative for anyone too lazy to think for themselves. As a lot of us are too lazy to think then a lot just pick it up, never question and bleat it out.
Thats also why it is often useless trying to argue about the specifics or detals of propaganda. ( you sometimes encounter a 'reasonable' rag and can have a sensible discussion ), but otherwise it is a waste of time.
The trick imo, is to duck out of the 'point' of whatever it is they are bleating and question why they are so fucking gullible as to swallow obvious propaganda. Doing that undermines the 'sense of security' that propaganda provides the lazy mind - give them a sense of doubt.

e.g.
it would be a good time right now to attack the rags as to WHY they all believe Gary Neville.
That would get right under their skin - eps the WHY as it is personal.

there are quite a number of rags realising Neville is part of their problem - high profile spouting off shit repeating, repeating and dominating the narrative = propaganda. The lazy ones swallow it and repeat the narrative and the other rags cant get heard, so stifling better ideas of how they get out of their mess.

Doubt can be weaponised and it is the tool that completely undermines lazy thinking. It works this is not a theory.

As to countering the fucking annoying narrative against City in the media etc, that is not easy as we have no platform to be heard. ex-City players like Lescott, Micah etc would be the only people able to stand up and counter narrative.

The questions for other fans though to sew doubt are simple, and something i genuinely dont understand.

Why do any fans other that rags and scouce bother to watch Sky, cos their teams get fucking zero, absolutely fcking zero.
Same from BBC - when was the last time we got some feature piece on the ambitions of say Crystal Palace? fucking never that when.

Those questions hit the soft underbelly. BBCs weakness is that it as good as completely ignores all the teams in the leagues bar two.
So that is where they should be attacked.

[Zezou]

I think they boo him because he goes down like he's shot whenever somebody breathes on him.

I appreciate he is fouled often but hopefully he takes this out of his game.

That aside, I love him..

[Mase]

I think they boo him because he goes down like he's shot whenever somebody breathes on him.

I appreciate he is fouled often but hopefully he takes this out of his game.

That aside, I love him..

I can honestly say I’ve not seen him dive in a City shirt. The challenge on Sunday for example, the Southampton players studded him and the ref gave a corner. It was an awful challenge!

[Hazy2]

Romeo targeted him from the KO. Jack v scousers I see him doing well.

[sheblue]

I think they boo him because he goes down like he's shot whenever somebody breathes on him.

I appreciate he is fouled often but hopefully he takes this out of his game.

That aside, I love him..

Don't be confusing him with Salah, Mane, Jota, tranny, bitch boy etc etc.
One thing he doesn't do is go down like he's been shot.

[john68]

Totally agree wuth every word BBS.

Football is run and controlled by money men, there agenda isn't football, it is maximising profit.
It underpins the current dispute between FiFA and EuFA, one tryning to expand their portfolio of comps at the other's expense and the other tryning to defend their threatened income streams.
The global media, not just the sports' media have ridden the coat tails of the old G14 clubs who have served the media's profit margins well and filled the medias coffers to over flowing.
Corporate relationships built over many years,corporate balance sheets have seen huge rises in TV sales, news outlet customers increase massively. Of course the media is going to defend their friends who have fed them for many years. Any business would do the same.

Along came City, with resources to destroy that historic money trail. The FA, UeFA, the Prem, those football institutions that should be defending our sport had to defend the hand that had fed them so well for so many years. City are not welcome at that top table, City have to be destroyed. Every trick in the book has been used to stop us...yet up to now despite their actions, they have failed to destroy us....and trust me there will be more as we continue to rise even higher.

BBS is right, apart from a bit of lip service here and there, the media are exremely unlikely to service the Cise rise that threatens to harm their historic income streams.
Fans will take any scrap of City negativity and swallow the shite whole, like grabbing the last sprig of grass to save them psychologically from fallying of the cliff of having to blame their own clubs for failure, they are grateful to blame City.

I stopped reading the media years ago, I usually watch games without commentary, at HT I bugger off and make a brew or go for a shit, I don't hear their shite, I rely on my own eyes to form my opinions. It is much easier on the stress levels.

Like BBS, I rarely engage the rags I meet with reasoned debate, they can't hack reasoned debate. I just laugh at them and enjoy the suffering they are putting themselves through.

[Tokyo Blue]

I usually watch games without commentary, at HT I bugger off and make a brew or go for a shit, I don't hear their shite, I rely on my own eyes to form my opinions. It is much easier on the stress levels.

I agree. I use the match to catch up on music I haven't heard before or haven't heard for a bit. It is very relaxing. A football match and a live double album are usually of roughly similar length.

Note to self: must check with certain posters on here to see if I am actually allowed to do that.

I am sure you, like everyone else here, know at least as much about the game as some of the talking heads do.

Before anyone else makes the obvious joke, I bet David Byrne is secretly a City fan. You can just tell.

Oh yeah, Grealish. I think he needs a bit more time yet.

[brite blu sky]

I wont say too much here as it is seriously off topic, but the Corp culture in general is pathetic. Pathetic because it's ranks are full of people who are unable to do what they believe to be right - even for the good of their own Corp. They live in a yes culture and as individuals cannot stand up to what their managers dictate, who in turn cannot stand up to theirs. I tell you it is no better than a Soviet system.
Now i know we are all aware of this, but the point I want to push is: You have to look at what that delivers.

i will write something from my own experience and with some back up info, in Off Topic forum soon enough.

The ultimate point being that: Inability individually to stand up = delivery of a lot of shite for our societies/ consumers
Because as your point makes John the Corps (management) is not just primarily interested in more money, it is more money regardless of any detriment to the product/ service. In football it is clear that what actually makes football a spectacle - the fans - are nowhere in the equation.

This is nothing new of course - you can go back to the fucking Corn Laws and it is the same shit.
But there is a limit, at some point the system eats itself - watching Corporate Football becomes pointless and fans drift off.
If too many of the population die from starvation then corn sales will drop through the floor.

P&O disregard what the public reaction might be to brutally sacking all staff in order to maximise profits and summarily lose all their Customers and so rendering P&O a pointless organisation. I mean you can't really make this sort of dumb shit up, and the individuals who work at P&O agreed to this, did as they were told.

Corps exist to make money by actually providing something, it isn't rocket science really is it.

Football is interesting because it is an Art Form run as a business. But the Corporate Football will be ruined by Corp culture.

Like i say i will have a rant in Off Topic - but it is Corp Culture that we would all be well served by having a proper confrontation with.

[john68]

I usually watch games without commentary, at HT I bugger off and make a brew or go for a shit, I don't hear their shite, I rely on my own eyes to form my opinions. It is much easier on the stress levels.

I agree. I use the match to catch up on music I haven't heard before or haven't heard for a bit. It is very relaxing. A football match and a live double album are usually of roughly similar length.

Note to self: must check with certain posters on here to see if I am actually allowed to do that.

I am sure you, like everyone else here, know at least as much about the game as some of the talking heads do.

Before anyone else makes the obvious joke, I bet David Byrne is secretly a City fan. You can just tell.

Oh yeah, Grealish. I think he needs a bit more time yet.

Much appreciated words Tokyo mate.
When I attend a game, whether City or my grandkids at school, I don't need some fukker telling me who has got the ball and what they have just done. There is no need for me to told that Foden has just scored a blinder or that Cancelo has just put a perfect pass. I can see that with my own eyes.
Are we becoming that in need of someone else to tell us what to think?

If I am riding a roller coaster, I want to enjoy the ride and not have some fukker push me round itelling me the I have just dropped 100ft and it was exciting.

A typical commentary of "Grealish......Foden.......Sterling......Mahrez.......out to the wing.....an accurate cross...shot....GOOOOOAAAAL", Doesn't inform me of anything that I haven't already seen with my own eyes.
Will we at some point demand an 'in the stadium' commentary to spoonfeed us what we already know, because we have become unable to think for ourselves?

[brite blu sky]

I usually watch games without commentary, at HT I bugger off and make a brew or go for a shit, I don't hear their shite, I rely on my own eyes to form my opinions. It is much easier on the stress levels.

I agree. I use the match to catch up on music I haven't heard before or haven't heard for a bit. It is very relaxing. A football match and a live double album are usually of roughly similar length.

Note to self: must check with certain posters on here to see if I am actually allowed to do that.

I am sure you, like everyone else here, know at least as much about the game as some of the talking heads do.

Before anyone else makes the obvious joke, I bet David Byrne is secretly a City fan. You can just tell.

Oh yeah, Grealish. I think he needs a bit more time yet.

Much appreciated words Tokyo mate.
When I attend a game, whether City or my grandkids at school, I don't need some fukker telling me who has got the ball and what they have just done. There is no need for me to told that Foden has just scored a blinder or that Cancelo has just put a perfect pass. I can see that with my own eyes.
Are we becoming that in need of someone else to tell us what to think?

If I am riding a roller coaster, I want to enjoy the ride and not have some fukker push me round itelling me the I have just dropped 100ft and it was exciting.

A typical commentary of "Grealish......Foden.......Sterling......Mahrez.......out to the wing.....an accurate cross...shot....GOOOOOAAAAL", Doesn't inform me of anything that I haven't already seen with my own eyes.
Will we at some point demand an 'in the stadium' commentary to spoonfeed us what we already know, because we have become unable to think for ourselves?

Commentary
Crowd noise on the other hand is fucling magic.

I joined this site because i built a system that would display match thread posts on screen live during the game. There is probably a screenshot i posted in the archive somewhere. I asked one of the devs to set up an RSS feed so i could use it. It was great.

it got me thinking that there would be a lot more that could be done to give both an 'in the ground' feel and also connecting with fans at the ground.
e.g. getting the sound from different sections of the stadium, getting tweets or posts or live sound from fans you know in the stands. Choose cameras etc.

None of these ideas are packaged or sanitised - they would be rough around the edges, swearing, arguing, unsavoury songs But imo would give the option to have an embedded feel watching a game. Something personally i would think a lot of people would really love and could be great fun. I would have thought even for, or maybe especially for foreign fans to get a real taste and understanding of english football as close to the club culture as they could get.

Too anarchic and uncontrollable for the Corps though init.

[john68]

Sadly, though it is a great idea Mate and one that I would wholeheartedly support...sans uneeded commentary.

It is too anarchaic for the corporate mentality that currently runs all our football clubs. They have a corporate concept and a requirement to control how City are perceived in the World. They have a need to control that.

It isn't our sport, it's theirs, they own it, they control it and it is about money.
Supporters are paid lip service too, some clubs do that better than others, but the reality is that we are customers in their eyes, units of profitability to them.
In fairness to City, we get a reasonable deal of lip service from our owners compared to most. At least they have delivered success and a great standard og football but we are still customers, despite our belief we are fans.

As good as your idea is BBS, it isn't part of their corporate thinking and even at City, fans/customers can't be allowed to put the image at risk

Sad innit.

[johnny crossan]

Jack Grealish to sign seven-figure deal with Gucci

David Ornstein 6h ago 76
Jack Grealish became the most expensive British footballer of all time last year when he joined Manchester City from Aston Villa for £100 million, a move that saw the midfielder’s profile rocket.

Earlier that summer, Grealish helped England reach the European Championship final and, despite playing a limited role in the tournament, the 26-year-old appeared largely to avoid team rivalries by establishing himself as an iconic figure — among dedicated supporters and the more general public.

Grealish is now contesting the biggest trophies and is recognised as one of the leading talents to emerge from the game in his generation. City are vying to retain the Premier League title, win another FA Cup and claim a first Champions League crown, and England will travel to Qatar this winter hoping to end their wait for World Cup glory.

It has led to an array of new sponsorship opportunities and The Athletic understands that Grealish is on the verge of agreeing a major endorsement contract with the renowned fashion house Gucci.

Grealish has often been photographed wearing its items but these will usually be purchased or gifted to such individuals. Instead, this partnership would make him an official ambassador of the luxury Italian company, which is thought to be pretty much unprecedented for a sportsperson.

The deal Grealish is set to sign is believed to be worth seven figures and considering Gucci ordinarily uses star names from the acting and music industries to promote its brand and products, joining forces with the Birmingham-born athlete hints at his global appeal.

Although not a priority, that commercial status and potential was a factor of which City were acutely aware when they paid a record fee to bring Grealish to the Etihad Stadium.

Read more: Footballers, fashion and how a player’s image is more important than ever

[johnny crossan]

A reminder or two
https://theathletic.com/podcast/159-why ... episode=78

Grealish, high expectations and maintaining squad harmony – Man City’s big talking points ahead of the new season

Manchester City season preview
By Sam Lee
Aug 11, 2021

Manchester City. New season. Big expectations. New signings. Pep Guardiola.

It’s the same every summer and yet there are always so many questions to answer.

So as the new season beckons, let’s get straight into it.

What would be a good season?

Such are the standards now, and especially if Harry Kane signs, a good season for Manchester City would have to be another Premier League title and another serious run at winning the Champions League, whether that’s making another final or at the very least a close-run semi-final exit.

In fairness, those expectations might be too lofty given only one club have retained the championship since 2009, showing how hard it is to maintain such a high level, but that one team was Guardiola’s City of 2018-19, so they have it in them. And they are that good.

What would be a bad one?

Even finishing as Premier League runners-up would probably call for an inquest, given the amount of talent at City, but in reality, as long as they are in the title race to the end coming second wouldn’t be a disaster.

If they were to be lagging behind any domestic rivals with several weeks still to go, as well as regressing in the Champions League, then that would put a bit of pressure on Guardiola going into the final year of his contract. But let’s not go there yet, eh?

What’s the biggest unknown about this team?

We know so much about their quality and their levels of consistency, which means they can go on the types of winning runs that frequently feature in their title-winning seasons, but the big question after a title win is whether they can repeat the feat.

Especially now they have a few players who want to leave the club. If those players cannot attract buyers over the next three weeks, there is the potential (though it is far from a certainty, given how well last season went) that the dressing room environment could suffer.

If that is the case, the season could become tricky. But the arrival of Kane, to join £100 million Jack Grealish, would surely keep everybody on their toes.

Who will be a star by the end of the campaign?

They’re all stars already!

Is it too lazy to say Grealish? He was obviously adored by the Aston Villa fans who watched him every week for years but it’s fair to say that a British-record move to the champions has the potential to take him up another few levels, and firmly into the national ‘stardom’ tier.

Grealish is likely to need some time to adapt to his new surroundings and will probably show his very best football in the years to come, but if he can harness the sparkle that lit up Villa Park and contribute to a trophy-laden campaign his profile will only grow.

The most common type of goal this team will score is…

Well if they sign Kane, it’ll be a low finish inside the penalty area, probably from between the posts.

They work so hard to create space around the box and then exploit it with surging runs and low passes, and if the England captain rocks up at the Etihad he will have regular and reliable service.

If Grealish wins a lot of free kicks, there could be a few headers from Kane, John Stones, Ruben Dias, etc.

Thing other fans or pundits say about this team that annoys you most…

There are a few!

The main one, though, the one that makes me want to fight people, is that all City’s success is due to money.

Money alone cannot provide the football that they play, nor the consistency. As Arsene Wenger once said, City have a combination of money and ideas, and these days many of those ideas belong to Guardiola.

He’s spent a hell of a lot, there’s no denying that, but if you think that’s a guarantee of success at this level — let alone style — then I really will fight you. Although if they do add Kane to Grealish then I accept it will be a much harder case to make.

How safe is the manager on a scale of one (not at all) to 10 (Pep Guardiola)?

Well, as the very scale suggests! Guardiola is a firm 10. Even if things start badly and we on the outside start to wonder if he’s down even as low as a seven, he would be a firm 10 as far as the club are concerned.

He’ll be into his contract’s penultimate season when the opener away to Tottenham kicks off on Sunday so City officials will be trying to tempt him with another new deal as soon as they possibly can — even if he starts playing the bagpipes in his office.

Who will be the first player the crowd gets on the back of?

Probably one of the wingers. Riyad Mahrez already got a bit of stick after the Community Shield on Saturday and some of it related to his performance in the Champions League final loss to Chelsea in May, and it’s fair to say that other players get cut a lot more slack around City.

Raheem Sterling has been frustrating some fans since before the pandemic hit, though, so it might not take long for those feelings to resurface. Gabriel Jesus is another candidate, given his ups and downs in front of goal, but generally at City there’s not too much to grumble about.


Tell us something you’ve been hearing…

You wouldn’t believe me if I told you.

In all seriousness, this is a tricky question and I’m not sure how much I could get away with saying, or even want to say, without fully forming a story but maybe Financial Fair Play is going to look very, very different by this time next year.

[nottsblue]

What’s the relevance of this article JC? It’s a year old

[johnny crossan]

What’s the relevance of this article JC? It’s a year old

It was my first free article from The Athletic - which I didn't clock until now
Just thought Raggy Sam could cut and paste it subbing Erling for Jack.

[johnny crossan]

Jack better watch out for his England place - BT on his case! Brain Damage on tonights scum commentary with scripted answer to set up quesion - echoed by the ginger piglet and then rammed home by Jules Breach (I researched her) in the studio. All together now SANCHO IN - GREALISH OUT

[Tokyo Blue]

Hasn't really caught on, has it, JC?

[johnny crossan]

Hasn't really caught on, has it, JC?

All over BBC / MUFC Sport now - big strapline "Sancho Should Replace Grealish" and being plugged relentlesly by TS - Jack's on the red griddle for sure

[nottsblue]

Does Grealish warrant a place in the national side?

I'd suggest a big resounding no

[sheblue]

Does Grealish warrant a place in the national side?

I'd suggest a big resounding no

That's the correct view.