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Re: pelligrini

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Fri May 10, 2013 9:41 pm

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trueblue64 wrote:Spanish journalist @GuillemBalague reporting in AS that Pellegrini to City is a done deal, City to pay Malaga a £3.4million release clause.

If this is true then our club has finally been handed over to the day-trippers. I'm fucking angry, to say the least.

Relax mate, just enjoy the trip ;-)

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Re: pelligrini

Postby Beefymcfc » Fri May 10, 2013 9:44 pm

Lee_R wrote:Can someone give me ONE good reason why we would even consider this guy?!

Errrrr ........... ummmmmmmmmm .......... errrrrrrrrrrrrrr ............. wait-one, I'm nearly there ..............errrrrrrrrrrrrr ...............ummmmmmmm. I've got it! He managed Real Madrid and signed Tranny for 2 billion!

I think he won the lot that season. Copa del Wilkins, La Leeka and the Champileans League.

Good manager though, I like him. Just not for us.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Beefymcfc » Fri May 10, 2013 9:45 pm

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trueblue64 wrote:Spanish journalist @GuillemBalague reporting in AS that Pellegrini to City is a done deal, City to pay Malaga a £3.4million release clause.

If this is true then our club has finally been handed over to the day-trippers. I'm fucking angry, to say the least.

Relax mate, just enjoy the trip ;-)

Do you mind, it's that time of the month!

If that's the case, I hope you bleed Blue!
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Re: pelligrini

Postby CTID Hants » Fri May 10, 2013 9:48 pm

trueblue64 wrote:Spanish journalist @GuillemBalague reporting in AS that Pellegrini to City is a done deal, City to pay Malaga a £3.4million release clause.


I'm going out on a limb "paddy crerand" style here, but do you REALLY think that with less than 24hrs before a major final, CITY would let this leak EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE, which imo it's fookin NOT.

it amazes me that City fans wish to undermine the club in such an hour? Beggars belief that people that people believe this shit, just because the rags managed to spectacularlly cock up the old soak going, all of a sudden Twitter is to be believed FFS

Like I say, "crerand style" but I think you get my point??
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Re: pelligrini

Postby simplytolmie » Fri May 10, 2013 9:48 pm

Was listening to Graham Hunter (guy off sky sports la liga) when rumours were Pellegrini was going to Chelsea. He couldn't talk more highly of him says he plays a fantastic attacking style of football, brilliant English and great tactically.

He said he'd be a real asset to the prem. I don't think RM should be sacked but can understand why Sorriano and Tixi would do. Poor champs league, didn't motivate players this season. I could argue it both ways.

We should just relax and trust Sorriano and Tixi they have been brought into do a job and they know Pellegrini better than we do.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Lee_R » Fri May 10, 2013 9:55 pm

simplytolmie wrote:Was listening to Graham Hunter (guy off sky sports la liga) when rumours were Pellegrini was going to Chelsea. He couldn't talk more highly of him says he plays a fantastic attacking style of football, brilliant English and great tactically.

He said he'd be a real asset to the prem. I don't think RM should be sacked but can understand why Sorriano and Tixi would do. Poor champs league, didn't motivate players this season. I could argue it both ways.

We should just relax and trust Sorriano and Tixi they have been brought into do a job and they know Pellegrini better than we do.


This is the thing it would seem like something Tixi would do.. he did it with Pep over Mourinho at Barca.. and yeah it worked but this guy? Hes had many years to win a lot of stuff and his stats are no better than Mancinis.

FFs the Mirror are waffling on about it now.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Superbia » Fri May 10, 2013 10:21 pm

Lee_R wrote:
This is the thing it would seem like something Tixi would do.. he did it with Pep over Mourinho at Barca.. and yeah it worked but this guy? Hes had many years to win a lot of stuff and his stats are no better than Mancinis.

FFs the Mirror are waffling on about it now.


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Re: pelligrini

Postby JonnyAsh » Fri May 10, 2013 10:21 pm

It all has a terrible feeling....just as we are all buoyed up for the final, all this news comes like a huge dark cloud of unwanted speculation and rumour...Win and there will be still more than a tinge of sadness and concern over the possible turmoil ahead.

It makes a change the we want to keep, well most do, one of our managers..which other manager gets his name chanted by the crowd in adulation?
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Fri May 10, 2013 10:27 pm

We need this like a hole in the head but who is saying Mancini is being sacked?IF it is true about Pelligrini it might be because Mancini has deceided to go.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Lee_R » Fri May 10, 2013 10:40 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:We need this like a hole in the head but who is saying Mancini is being sacked?IF it is true about Pelligrini it might be because Mancini has deceided to go.


True and i sort of agree but Mancini is normally as straight up as he can be and seemed to be looking towards next season. However I did notice that in an interview today or yesterday he said its one game at a time.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Superbia » Fri May 10, 2013 10:40 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:We need this like a hole in the head but who is saying Mancini is being sacked?IF it is true about Pelligrini it might be because Mancini has deceided to go.


Agreed but Mancini hasnt helped his case with the criticism of marwood at the start of the season ,the woeful attempt at retaining our title and for the 2nd year running our pathetic CL run.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Blue Since 76 » Fri May 10, 2013 10:42 pm

Wonder if Juan Ramos will bring Santa Cruz back with him?
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Lee_R » Fri May 10, 2013 10:49 pm

Significantly.. Mancini was Kaldoons guy, who has been very quiet this season since the 'football men' came in.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby BmoreBlue » Fri May 10, 2013 10:51 pm

mancini certainly doesn't sound like someone expecting to quit in the summer, with all the "we need to work very well this summer" and the "we must buy our targets before preseason" - if he was planning to go back to italy or to monaco or whatever you'd expect him to be a bit more mum over this stuff wouldn't you? and i don't see the point in sacking him - he's got to get one more year. someone else posted on another thread that continuity is one of the biggest advantages we have going over united and chelsea next season.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Lee_R » Fri May 10, 2013 10:53 pm

Ah this sounds promising..

"Pellegrini will be the next coach of Manchester City .That was assured yesterday in England, the day before the FA Cup final between the citizen and the Wigan team of Roberto Martinez.

"The agreement with the current coach of Malaga was recently reached, after Txiki Begiristain received carte blanche from the owner of the English club, Sulaiman Al-Fahim, to close the deal with the Chilean coach."

Bullshit then.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby JonnyAsh » Fri May 10, 2013 11:01 pm

As an aside, City come to New York in two weeks for an exhibition game against Chelsea, with possibly the NY team franchise on the agenda.
It wouldn't make great publicity to have the team manager less at this point, and if Mancini were to leave or be sacked, he surely wouldn't be part of this trip. Nor i guess would either Platt or Kidd..Apart from those, all the backroom coaching team are Italian so it's not just a case of a number one and two change, it would be a total coaching overhaul.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Lee_R » Fri May 10, 2013 11:02 pm

JonnyAsh wrote:As an aside, City come to New York in two weeks for an exhibition game against Chelsea, with possibly the NY team franchise on the agenda.
It wouldn't make great publicity to have the team manager less at this point, and if Mancini were to leave or be sacked, he surely wouldn't be part of this trip. Nor i guess would either Platt or Kidd..Apart from those, all the backroom coaching team are Italian so it's not just a case of a number one and two change, it would be a total coaching overhaul.


Unless Mancini is aware of it and wants to leave professionally and finish up his work?


This all stinks of us trying to sign Ronaldo or something. AND the way Balotelli seemed to go in Jan and leave us a striker short.. hmm the picture is coming together now.


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Stole this from someone on Bluemoon who stole it from another other forum.

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For anyone interested, here's a Chelsea fans report on Pellegrini, with views from Villareal and Madrid fans, information regarding tactics, systems, character etc...





Manuel Pellegrini is a name that keeps appearing in speculation about Chelsea's next manager, so today we're going to take a closer look at the 59-year old Chilean. He's currently in charge of La Liga side Malaga, and with the financial issues the club are having and the impending ban from UEFA competition, he'd seem like a coach that would welcome an approach from a top European side at the moment.

Pellegrini had a decent little career as a player, making 451 appearances for Universidad de Chile, playing primarily as a central defender. He had a John Obi Mikel like goal output in that time, banging in one goal in his many seasons at the club.

He began his managerial career at the same club in which he played, and spent the next two seasons there. He'd spend the next decade bouncing around clubs in Chile with a spell in charge of the U20 national side mixed in, but his career finally began to take off when he moved to Argentina in 2001. After several fairly successful seasons at San Lorenzo and then River Plate, Pellegrini made his way to Spain and Villarreal.

He spent the next five seasons in charge of Villarreal, winning 123 games, drawing 72, and losing 64. At the time, Villarreal wasn't one of the more sought after jobs in Europe. The club had made it's top flight debut just six seasons prior to his arrival, and was immediately relegated after their first season in the top flight. They'd earn promotion again, and had finished 7th, 15th, 15th, and 8th in the four seasons prior to the Chilean's arrival.

Pellegrini's first season at the club saw them finish 3rd in La Liga and reach the UEFA Cup quarterfinals, by far the best season in the history of the club to that point. He'd follow that up with finishes of 7th, 5th, 2nd, and 5th, also managing semifinal and quarterfinal Champions League berths*.

*Both resulted in losses to Arsenal

I emailed the folks over at Villarreal USA (SB Nation's Villarreal blog), asking them for any insight on Pellegrini's time in charge. They had some fantastic stuff for us, and I'm thrilled that they took the time to touch on some of the things that most of us would be asking.


First and foremost, Manuel Pellegrini is a class act. Always dressed in a dapper suit on the sideline, "El Ingeniero" (a civil engineer by training) is a gentleman on and off the pitch. Jose Mourinho he is not, and that is part of why Real Madrid let him go after taking a club-record 96 points in La Liga.

Tactics: He devised the now-typical 4-2-2-2 formation at Villarreal. It relies on wingbacks active in attack, stoppers in the midfield, and lots of play in space. Not quite tiki-taka, but a similar idea. I could see Juan Mata and Ramires having a field day down the wings.

Rotation policy: He likes to stick with a smaller squad of 14-15 players. Rotations tended to be at select positions, with the nucleus of the team intact. Pellegrini does not shy away from competition in the squad, however. He even famously benched Juan Román Riquelme, the greatest player in Villarreal history, for wanting too much control. Villarreal owner Fernando Roig supported Pellegrini to the point that Riquelme left for Boca Juniors, and the Yellow Submarine continued its string of high finishes in La Liga.

In-game management: Pellegrini was a master of in-game adjustments. He does not let substitutions burn a hole in his pocket, wanting to give players a chance to adapt to match dynamics. Soft-spoken by nature, I cannot imagine his halftime talks were any great shakes, but players listened to him.

Overall, Chelsea would be lucky to have such a great manager and human being. We miss him dearly -- things have not been the same since he left.

That's a pretty nice sales pitch from some folks that saw him work an awful lot, so let's take a look at how he set Villarreal up to play.

Here we have a little video from several seasons ago, in which Pellegrini talks a bit about his favorite formations and how he likes to approach different opponents. It focuses mainly on his time with Villarreal, and while it isn't overly in-depth, it gives a useful look into his basic beliefs:




So we saw a little 4-2-3-1 in there, but he also touched on a more attacking style for clubs that didn't have Barcelona-like possession. Our friends at Villarreal USA already mentioned the 4-2-2-2, so I've dug up a few articles on that system.

Here, we have a look at why Pellegrini's Villarreal side was such an easy place for South American players to transition, during an era in which they would often struggle to adapt to the European style of play at other clubs. Tim Hill broke down the role of the midfielders playing behind the strikers, and also looked at why the system worked defensively.

Real Madrid would be the next step in Pellegrini's career, even though he was probably never their first choice for the job. He'd only manage to remain in charge of the club for a single season, as Jose Mourinho would be brought in to take over the side following his treble-winning season with Inter.

While many will look back at the fact that he was sacked after only one season with Real as a sign of failure, the results were actually very good on the whole. He won 36, drew 5, and lost 7 during his only season with the club, good for a win percentage of 75%. The 96 points which saw the side finish second to Barcelona's 99 would be a club record, one which was bettered last season but remains the second highest total in club history.

What likely doomed Pellegrini at Real were his exits from the cup competitions. Lyon ousted Real in the Champions League round of 16, before going on to make a very surprising semifinal appearance. While those types of upsets aren't all that strange in that competition, the 4-1 aggregate loss to Alcorcon in the Copa Del Rey was absolutely shocking.

Our Real Madrid blog (Managing Madrid) also took the time to give us some insight, and weren't as impressed with his work as their Villarreal counterparts:


With us, he never used real wingers. He usually played with a 4-1-2-1-2, deploying CR and Pipa in the offensive section of the team, with Granero+Lass and Alonso in the midfield. I never liked that system, and he seems to have changed it for Málaga, where he uses Eliseu and Joaquín in the left and right wing (those being their natural positions).

He's not a strong personality coach, meaning he doesn't have the power to do things some other coaches wouldn't do. For example, he admitted in an interview that he didn't play Mahamadou Diarra against Lyon because (I quote) "the press and fans would critizice him". Period. I think that's a terrible statement. Even though he's doing well at Málaga, I wouldn't be happy to sign him if I was a Chelsea fan.

He certainly altered his system at Real to better suit the players he had available, and there were some very poor games without a doubt. There were also some very good ones, and if Jose Mourinho hadn't been the one to replace him, I think he'd probably be remembered a lot more fondly.

Regardless, he ended up at his current job with Malaga the following November. At the moment, he's won 48, drawn 27, and lost 40 of his games in charge, and has been excellent in the two seasons in which he started as the club's manager. His first full season at the club saw them finish in 4th, qualifying for the Champions League for the first time. At the moment, they're still alive in that competition, and again sitting 4th in La Liga.

Tactically, he's adapted his formation a bit from either of his previous European stops. First we'll take a look at a game last season against his old club, one which saw several tactical adjustments made as the game progressed.

He's also used a system similar to our own this season, and a 4-0 trashing of Valencia provided an excellent look at it. It's not hard to see how he might set about using the attacking band at Chelsea, although his Villarreal system is almost identical to the one currently used by the Brazilian national team* and would also suit our squad well.

*And subsequently, half of Chelsea's squad

Malaga will have some work to do if they want to advance in the Champions League, as they currently trail Porto by 1-0 on aggregate. Pellegrini set up in a very defensive shape for the away leg, likely content to play for the 0-0 draw and hope for the best at home.

I'm not going to get into Pellegrini's work in the transfer market, as beyond the fact that he won't be running that show at Chelsea, there really isn't anything to take from it anyway. At Villarreal he was certainly working on the sort of limited budget he won't have here, and at Malaga he's been dealing with one of the more "interesting" ownership situations in recent memory.

The Real Madrid stop is the one that makes me believe he'd work well in the Chelsea system, as like he would be dealing with here, transfer decisions at Madrid came from above. Unless we make major changes to the structure of the club, a manager here is really just the first team coach. He's performed that role in the past, and I can't say that I can recall him complaining about it at any point.

If Pellegrini ends up being the guy, I can't say that I'd be upset. He seems likable enough, and he's shown the ability to adapt his tactics to fit his squad. He generally plays relatively attractive football, but has shown that he's not going to do stupid things such as trying to take Barcelona's game to them.

Most importantly though, he's installed a system at both Villarreal and Malaga that allow the attackers to interchange freely. At both clubs, he's made adjustments to the defense that allow them to compensate for the defensive liability created by that movement. Where Roberto Di Matteo and Rafa Benitez have both struggled to best utilize the Oscar/Juna Mata/Eden Hazard trio, Pellegrini has laid out several blueprints that we should probably be looking at for ideas.

In my opinion, Pellegrini would make sense for the current Chelsea squad in much the same way that Carlo Ancelotti made sense in 2009. While I'm not sure if he's a long term answer or not, he tends to employ the sort of systems that would allow us to be competitive immediately with our current personnel. At a club that never employs long-term managers anyway, that's exactly what I believe we should be looking for.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Mark Garrett » Fri May 10, 2013 11:52 pm

If this rumour comes true then what an absolutely fuckin disgrace and the Spanish pair along withe Chiliean no mark manager can fuck off.

To replace a proven winnner with a fuckin idiot who has won nowt says it all. Soriano and Txixi out.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Dunne's Half-Time Pint » Fri May 10, 2013 11:53 pm

Mark Garrett wrote:If this rumour comes true then what an absolutely fuckin disgrace and the Spanish pair along withe Chiliean no mark manager can fuck off.

To replace a proven winnner with a fuckin idiot who has won nowt says it all. Soriano and Txixi out.


I would also not be happy about this - he's won basically fuck all, even though he's managed Madrid, and is older and shittier than Mancini...
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Blue_Manc » Sat May 11, 2013 12:01 am

Spanish press say its a done deal for Pellegrini and Isco to City.
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