FA expects Fabio Capello to resign

[Slim]

But more importantly, I expect fabio "speccy-four eyes pug looking motherfucker" capello to resign

Some of you.. wait.. MANY of you English fans are kinda funny, in a ridiculous way.

If a player has had a distinguished career, and then runs on a spell of bad form, he goes from being a "decent, nice, talented player" to something worse than a pile of dung floating in a sewer, in just the blink of an eye. (e.g. Dunne) You treat managers the same way.

England crushed teams in WC qualifiers. The Three Lions likely could have beaten a team composed of the Arch-Angel Gabriel, Jesus, Moses, Mohammed, Goliath, Buddha, Benny Hill, Conan the Barbarian, Zidane, God, and Chuck Norris himself, with that kind of form. And none other than "speccy-four eyes pug looking motherfucker" was the manager at that time. Yet now, that the English players are breaking down mentally, which OBVIOUSLY (if you have one modicum of ability to think logically) has little to do with the manager, you still blame Capello.

What is wrong with some of you? You think Capello suddenly went from genius to crap? Really? No.

Based on what I have seen of England over the past two WCs, I am beginning to think there is something wrong mentally, with the core of this generation of English players, when it comes to big tournaments. Maybe not all of them (e.g. Beckham seems to thrive under any pressure), but enough that the team plays average to crap in such tourneys.

he didnt suddenly go crap, he suddenly stopped picking the players in form and went with the typical england side bar heskey, if it wasnt for injueies we would be playing with the same 11 as we did 4 years ago and history tells us that 11 wasnt and isnt good enough.

against algeria for example

Rooney was fucking horrible and lazy yet stayed on? in qualifying he would have been off no problems
lampard, fucking disgrace to the shirt. lazy, greedy and slow. had no impact on the game whatsoever apart from stopping any decent attacking football with a stupid shot from 20-40 yards out. yet barry who was easily our best player was subbed.
GERRARD ON THE FUCKING LEFT, we saw how much this didnt work in fucking qualifying but it was ok then, just an experiment until joe cole comes back.
takes joe cole and doesnt play him in a game he could of made a massive diffrence in. if joe cole isnt fit then why the fuck did he leave johnson out?
defoe looked a hundred times sharper then rooney, how long was he on for? should start the next game with crouch but probably wont.
and as for the control and discipline capello has installed in the squad, i dont know if these are the exact words but it went something like this "nice to see your own fans booing, thats loyal support". right into the fucking camera. he couldnt have said it in the tunnel because he knows he can do whatever the fuck he wants and get away with it

capello is a shitbag who is scared to drop the big names and it is going to cost us any chance we had, i know it was a fucking very slim chance but struggling in the group stage is never be acceptable.

It doesn't happen often, but we are bang on the same page.

[ryanmjo]

I've said it elsewhere on here, but I think England gives Slovenia a good hammering, and makes it to the quarters. So I don't think Fabio is resigning anytime soon.


However, if he does, how does that impact Liverpool? Hodgson is supposed to be the favorite to be their next manager, but if he's offered the England job, will he take that instead?

[Im_Spartacus]

Before Capello resigns the following needs addressing at the very top first:

The Burton Academy
The cost of Wembley
The size of the England managers contract
The fact we signed a contract with a ball manufacturer to pay for the above white elephant so we didn`t get the world cup ball to play with.
The list is phenominal. The tossers that run the FA should look at themselves first. I know this has no direct relevance to how we are performing in SA but seemed a good point to throw in. These blazer wearing twats annoy me.

Load of tosh that pal,the England players all play in England throughout the season with a Nike ball.
The fact that they play a few games a year with an Umbro ball has naff all to do with it,blame the Premier league for having a fat Nike contract.

I's also like to point out Germany have been playing with the said Adidas ball all season and they lost.

BALLS.

plus every club and federation got the ball in January at the same time as the germans. There has been ample times for the players to get the feel for it

[Florida Blue]

It's always the manager's fault isn't it!

Never mind that Capello (and Sven before him) have brilliant managerial records before they take over England, it must be their fault that the English players are lazy prima donnas!

Honestly when in the last 20 years have we had an English manager who has the balls to pick a side that will win as opposed to picking the best 11 players we have and hoping? I suspect the FA has a large hand in selections and it's probably fucking bean counters who are worried about Lampard shirt sales drying up if he gets dropped that keeps him getting selected.

Nail on head there mate. I think Owen & Beckham were picked for the last world cup despite being unfit purely for commercial reasons. I believe it has always been the case, hence why Beckham was invited to have a presence in the coaching setup, despite doing no coaching.

Fair point Slim... but can you explain Walcott??? That decision alone, and a thin strike force (which was even thinner after Owen took himself out with a self tackle) is the one most confusing, as there was nothing PR gained, and nothing football gained (well they said the experience.. and we see ho much that helped him this cup).

[lets all have a disco]

Before Capello resigns the following needs addressing at the very top first:

The Burton Academy
The cost of Wembley
The size of the England managers contract
The fact we signed a contract with a ball manufacturer to pay for the above white elephant so we didn`t get the world cup ball to play with.
The list is phenominal. The tossers that run the FA should look at themselves first. I know this has no direct relevance to how we are performing in SA but seemed a good point to throw in. These blazer wearing twats annoy me.

Load of tosh that pal,the England players all play in England throughout the season with a Nike ball.
The fact that they play a few games a year with an Umbro ball has naff all to do with it,blame the Premier league for having a fat Nike contract.

I's also like to point out Germany have been playing with the said Adidas ball all season and they lost.

BALLS.

plus every club and federation got the ball in January at the same time as the germans. There has been ample times for the players to get the feel for it

Exactly,there was nothing stopping them buying one to try out at home or whatever.
It's just an excuse by the players.


Pull your fucking fingers out.

[Im_Spartacus]

It's always the manager's fault isn't it!

Never mind that Capello (and Sven before him) have brilliant managerial records before they take over England, it must be their fault that the English players are lazy prima donnas!

Honestly when in the last 20 years have we had an English manager who has the balls to pick a side that will win as opposed to picking the best 11 players we have and hoping? I suspect the FA has a large hand in selections and it's probably fucking bean counters who are worried about Lampard shirt sales drying up if he gets dropped that keeps him getting selected.

Nail on head there mate. I think Owen & Beckham were picked for the last world cup despite being unfit purely for commercial reasons. I believe it has always been the case, hence why Beckham was invited to have a presence in the coaching setup, despite doing no coaching.

Fair point Slim... but can you explain Walcott??? That decision alone, and a thin strike force (which was even thinner after Owen took himself out with a self tackle) is the one most confusing, as there was nothing PR gained, and nothing football gained (well they said the experience.. and we see ho much that helped him this cup).

To me it wasnt a gamble, it was stupidity.

I remember in 1994 when Brazil took Ronaldo, but I dont think he even saw the subs bench. They took him to give him the experience of the tournament, and it stood him in good stead in the future when he became a superstar.

Fuck knows why Sven would rate Walcott as a potential talent in a similar bracket, but I think thats all it was. However, as everyone said at the time, had Walcott come on and turned a game, the hype over him would have sold enough shirts alone to justify the gamble. (Remember what 1998 did for Owen at 18/19)

As we have seen, in those 4 years, not a single youngster has stepped upto the plate - perhaps now with the exception of AJ, and Capello bottled it.

[Vhero]

It's always the manager's fault isn't it!

Never mind that Capello (and Sven before him) have brilliant managerial records before they take over England, it must be their fault that the English players are lazy prima donnas!

The problem is that neither Sven nor Capello has the bollocks to drop 1 of either Lampard or Gerrard - they cannot work together cohesively at all and we need to back one and bench the other and have done for the best part of the decade

Or Rooney the pundits were saying 7 competitive games without a goal now and yet we hail him as the guy we need to get anywhere?? Why does he get in the side automatically?? He got a shit load of goals at the scum as he played a loan striker who was fed by wingers. He was also there penalty taker... Honestly we need to drop Gerrard and Rooney... As for Fucking Heskey!! The fact he is there is why the manager is getting blamed he is fucking useless! It's also his fault Rio is injured...

[Florida Blue]

It's always the manager's fault isn't it!

Never mind that Capello (and Sven before him) have brilliant managerial records before they take over England, it must be their fault that the English players are lazy prima donnas!

The problem is that neither Sven nor Capello has the bollocks to drop 1 of either Lampard or Gerrard - they cannot work together cohesively at all and we need to back one and bench the other and have done for the best part of the decade

Or Rooney the pundits were saying 7 competitive games without a goal now and yet we hail him as the guy we need to get anywhere?? Why does he get in the side automatically?? He got a shit load of goals at the scum as he played a loan striker who was fed by wingers. He was also there penalty taker... Honestly we need to drop Gerrard and Rooney... As for Fucking Heskey!! The fact he is there is why the manager is getting blamed he is fucking useless! It's also his fault Rio is injured...

He is always there, and no one ever seems to know why, he is borderline shit in the prem (and surely shit in the last couple of seasons), and has been shit whenever on the international stage. He must have photos of every manager performing lewd acts with young boys or something.

[lets all have a disco]

Maybe old Fabio will regret leaving one of the best crossers in the country at home ,oh and taking two injured Defenders and a striker who couldnt score in a brothel.

[Vhero]

It's always the manager's fault isn't it!

Never mind that Capello (and Sven before him) have brilliant managerial records before they take over England, it must be their fault that the English players are lazy prima donnas!

The problem is that neither Sven nor Capello has the bollocks to drop 1 of either Lampard or Gerrard - they cannot work together cohesively at all and we need to back one and bench the other and have done for the best part of the decade

Or Rooney the pundits were saying 7 competitive games without a goal now and yet we hail him as the guy we need to get anywhere?? Why does he get in the side automatically?? He got a shit load of goals at the scum as he played a loan striker who was fed by wingers. He was also there penalty taker... Honestly we need to drop Gerrard and Rooney... As for Fucking Heskey!! The fact he is there is why the manager is getting blamed he is fucking useless! It's also his fault Rio is injured...

He is always there, and no one ever seems to know why, he is borderline shit in the prem (and surely shit in the last couple of seasons), and has been shit whenever on the international stage. He must have photos of every manager performing lewd acts with young boys or something.

My rag father in law trys to stick up for him saying he improves players around him or some bullshit but after the last game he has changed his mind on that now it seems.

[btajim]

They'll want Capello to resign to have to avoid paying him off if he's sacked. He's on something like 6 Million a year so he's completely responsible for getting the job right. No excuses.

It was a solid appointment but the Guy is getting on in years. Perhaps he wanted one final challenge but I don't recall the Clubs in Italy or Spain throwing money at him to come. It's beginning to remind me of Scolari taking over at Chelsea. A massive name but he wasn't right for the job. I hope I'm wrong - but the Slovenia Match is coming closer and the vibe isn't good.

[Slim]

It's always the manager's fault isn't it!

Never mind that Capello (and Sven before him) have brilliant managerial records before they take over England, it must be their fault that the English players are lazy prima donnas!

Honestly when in the last 20 years have we had an English manager who has the balls to pick a side that will win as opposed to picking the best 11 players we have and hoping? I suspect the FA has a large hand in selections and it's probably fucking bean counters who are worried about Lampard shirt sales drying up if he gets dropped that keeps him getting selected.

Nail on head there mate. I think Owen & Beckham were picked for the last world cup despite being unfit purely for commercial reasons. I believe it has always been the case, hence why Beckham was invited to have a presence in the coaching setup, despite doing no coaching.

Fair point Slim... but can you explain Walcott??? That decision alone, and a thin strike force (which was even thinner after Owen took himself out with a self tackle) is the one most confusing, as there was nothing PR gained, and nothing football gained (well they said the experience.. and we see ho much that helped him this cup).

Sure I can he was a young player who many rated(FA included without doubt) at the time as the next big English talent, not just Sven. However, selecting him within the 23 was fucking madness, as Beckspice has proven this tournament you don't have to be named in the squad to sit on the bench. If he had come on, I believe I would have had to run down our main road naked, such was the nature of the bet at the time.

By the way for people blaming Heskey, when we lacked the effort to put the talent of certain players to any use whatsoever, who was running all the way back to the fullbacks to help out defending. He was brought in to do a job and while I am sure defending wasn't it, there was no-one out there working as hard as he was. Personally I will take an untalented player who works his socks off over a talented player who does 90 minutes of sweet fuck all every day of the week.

[simon12]

Before Capello resigns the following needs addressing at the very top first:

The Burton Academy
The cost of Wembley
The size of the England managers contract
The fact we signed a contract with a ball manufacturer to pay for the above white elephant so we didn`t get the world cup ball to play with.
The list is phenominal. The tossers that run the FA should look at themselves first. I know this has no direct relevance to how we are performing in SA but seemed a good point to throw in. These blazer wearing twats annoy me.

Load of tosh that pal,the England players all play in England throughout the season with a Nike ball.
The fact that they play a few games a year with an Umbro ball has naff all to do with it,blame the Premier league for having a fat Nike contract.

I's also like to point out Germany have been playing with the said Adidas ball all season and they lost.

BALLS.

plus every club and federation got the ball in January at the same time as the germans. There has been ample times for the players to get the feel for it

Exactly,there was nothing stopping them buying one to try out at home or whatever.
It's just an excuse by the players.


Pull your fucking fingers out.

I don`t want you to think I`m being down on Capello as the football is played by the prima donnas I just think the FA are wank. Capello has made a couple of blunders with playing Heskey and not playing Joe Cole. There`s definately something wrong in the camp.

[petrov]

This thread is pure idiocy.

England have being terribly unlucky appointing world class manager who succeed in every other job but fail when managing England? My arse. Theirs one plain truth about english football and its being staring the world in the face for the last 30 years. The players quite simply aren't good enough and don't have the bottle to produce, the crowd over expect, the media overhype and than slate the team which makes the team underperform even more.

Capello is a great manager, its not his fault the same team playing almost the same tactics that beat a good side like Croatia can't repeat it against Algeria because their at the world cup. Just like its Svens fault England lost to Brazil and on peno's. Englands record in penalty shoot outs alone says they lack the bottle of mentally tougher nations like Germany, Italy, Argentina etc.....

Heres something for you guys to note.
Capello - successful everywhere he's went bar England where he's being amazing in qualifying and his team have fallen apart in the big one.
McLaren - successful everywhere he's being bar England (overachieved at Boro, and don't brilliantly in Holland despite the accent)
Sven - A managerial record to die for, again great in qualifying and went out on penos and to a Ronaldinho wondergoal.

Than you had the same thing with the "wonder team" of the 80's that was led by great managers like Robson, Venables. Again managers who done brilliantly everywhere else but were called shit cause Englands players have no balls. Their is something wrong with these english players mentallities, has being for years. They weight of expectation makes them fall apart, they can't cope with media slagging, and they don't have the bottle from the peno spot. Do you guys really think all those penalty shoot outs for the last 20 years are just bad luck? seriously? It shows the difference in whose mentally tough and whose not and its something England have always being found wanting in.

[ashton287]

This thread is pure idiocy.

England have being terribly unlucky appointing world class manager who succeed in every other job but fail when managing England? My arse. Theirs one plain truth about english football and its being staring the world in the face for the last 30 years. The players quite simply aren't good enough and don't have the bottle to produce, the crowd over expect, the media overhype and than slate the team which makes the team underperform even more.

Capello is a great manager, its not his fault the same team playing almost the same tactics that beat a good side like Croatia can't repeat it against Algeria because their at the world cup. Just like its Svens fault England lost to Brazil and on peno's. Englands record in penalty shoot outs alone says they lack the bottle of mentally tougher nations like Germany, Italy, Argentina etc.....

Heres something for you guys to note.
Capello - successful everywhere he's went bar England where he's being amazing in qualifying and his team have fallen apart in the big one.
McLaren - successful everywhere he's being bar England (overachieved at Boro, and don't brilliantly in Holland despite the accent)
Sven - A managerial record to die for, again great in qualifying and went out on penos and to a Ronaldinho wondergoal.

Than you had the same thing with the "wonder team" of the 80's that was led by great managers like Robson, Venables. Again managers who done brilliantly everywhere else but were called shit cause Englands players have no balls. Their is something wrong with these english players mentallities, has being for years. They weight of expectation makes them fall apart, they can't cope with media slagging, and they don't have the bottle from the peno spot. Do you guys really think all those penalty shoot outs for the last 20 years are just bad luck? seriously? It shows the difference in whose mentally tough and whose not and its something England have always being found wanting in.

the thing is if you look at there club performances (not just rooney) the players are more than good enough to win the entire thing. but with english players i think its been installed in them from early on in there career's for i'd say atleast the last ten years onwards that playing for a premiership winning team is the most important thing you will do in your career. you just have to watch them to see that most dont want to be there. they all dribble the same "greatest moment of my career" shite when there first picked but no one ever look as good in an england shirt then they do playing in the champions league or the premiership.

[petrov]

I disagree with that mate, they simply haven't the bottle to when the WC theres no denying they have worldclass players but they are also seriously lacking in alot of imporatant departments.

goalkeeper - they took a rookie, an old man whose nickname was calamity and a solid keeper in Rob Green. Green than makes one mistake ala Robinson in a WC where lots of keepers are mishandling the ball and all of a sudden he's shit and shouldn't be there. Still at best he's average.

rb- Glen Johnson can't defend, plain as really. Theres no other rb in the team and despite the fact he's pretty good on the ball, Mourinho got rid for a reason.

cb- with rio out and all terry's off field problems again theres no cover. An old and slow Carragher, an old slow and always injured King. Dawson and upson are average at best. Outside the squad theres no real alternatives, on here you have people saying Ned or even Micah but neither are anything above average.

cm- everyone knows why gerrard and lampard don't work so no need to get into it again. Barry in there balances the team but he's a good footballer not a wc winning standard one. Carrick etc.... are nothings in the world game.

lm - cole and gerrard are not suited to it. If Barry plays there the balance is gone and AJ isn't ready or quite at a good enough level.

rm - swp and walcott = overrated, lennon has no end product and beckham is too old and injured.

upfront - rooney is crumbling under the pressure and theres nothing to support him, heskey is the best of a poor lot. Defoe, Crouch, Bent, Cole, Zamora etc... are all average but not great players.

So imho only lb is where England can actually say they are worldclass, and if cole gets injured, bridge being the best of an average bunch won't play and than your down to baines and warnock.

So all in all, we don't have the players or talent pool to win the world cup.

[btajim]

This thread is pure idiocy.

England have being terribly unlucky appointing world class manager who succeed in every other job but fail when managing England? My arse. Theirs one plain truth about english football and its being staring the world in the face for the last 30 years. The players quite simply aren't good enough and don't have the bottle to produce, the crowd over expect, the media overhype and than slate the team which makes the team underperform even more.

Capello is a great manager, its not his fault the same team playing almost the same tactics that beat a good side like Croatia can't repeat it against Algeria because their at the world cup. Just like its Svens fault England lost to Brazil and on peno's. Englands record in penalty shoot outs alone says they lack the bottle of mentally tougher nations like Germany, Italy, Argentina etc.....

Heres something for you guys to note.
Capello - successful everywhere he's went bar England where he's being amazing in qualifying and his team have fallen apart in the big one.
McLaren - successful everywhere he's being bar England (overachieved at Boro, and don't brilliantly in Holland despite the accent)
Sven - A managerial record to die for, again great in qualifying and went out on penos and to a Ronaldinho wondergoal.

Than you had the same thing with the "wonder team" of the 80's that was led by great managers like Robson, Venables. Again managers who done brilliantly everywhere else but were called shit cause Englands players have no balls. Their is something wrong with these english players mentallities, has being for years. They weight of expectation makes them fall apart, they can't cope with media slagging, and they don't have the bottle from the peno spot. Do you guys really think all those penalty shoot outs for the last 20 years are just bad luck? seriously? It shows the difference in whose mentally tough and whose not and its something England have always being found wanting in.

Capello has succeeded in every job he's done? His second spell at AC Milan resulted in a 10th place finish in Serie A and he was at Juventus when they were involved with the Match fixing scandals. England may have qualified for the World Cup with ease but his disciplinarian style seems to be frightening the Players.

He's after one last payday and has The FA exactly where he wants them.

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

You're very cynical Jim.

At the last WC players were critical of Sven's laid back approach, then they moaned about McClaren's tactical lack of nous, now they're frightened? Please. These are gown men and paid professionals.

Fact is the players aren't really that good. Star men like Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney are playing, at club level, with better players. Case in point is Gerrard's amazing slump since Alonso left Liverpool, or how for the two seasons before Abramavich's money arrived Lampard and Chelsea amounted to nothing.

Players like SWP, Crouch, Heskey, Green are either just bit part players at half decent clubs or are average players at average clubs which brings England's collective talent to a level which, admittedly, should pass the group stage but, in all likeliness, won't progress much further.

[btajim]

You're very cynical Jim.

At the last WC players were critical of Sven's laid back approach, then they moaned about McClaren's tactical lack of nous, now they're frightened? Please. These are gown men and paid professionals.

Fact is the players aren't really that good. Star men like Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney are playing, at club level, with better players. Case in point is Gerrard's amazing slump since Alonso left Liverpool, or how for the two seasons before Abramavich's money arrived Lampard and Chelsea amounted to nothing.

Players like SWP, Crouch, Heskey, Green are either just bit part players at half decent clubs or are average players at average clubs which brings England's collective talent to a level which, admittedly, should pass the group stage but, in all likeliness, won't progress much further.

Hardly. All Managers have their good points and their bad points. Players simply won't respond positively to treatment they don't like. His English is still sounding dodgy, too.

[petrov]

honestly jim, i usually agree with most you say, but how is it always the manager? The team is severly lacking, hugely so (as are most the big guns this time around). Pointing out Capello had one bad season at Milan is ridiculous, how many trophies has he, after all thats what England are striving for.... As for the Juve thing, do you really think he'd of got the England job if he was involved?

You've got white tinted glasses on mate... Outside of England nobody really gave them a chance of winning but thought they could make the last8/semi's, which is a much fairer assesment than the blind hype and overrating that goes on at home.