Transfer rumours apace - Tardelli/Robinho/Ribery

[sandman]

Bojinov wouldn't get near the team on merit. We've now got better. We know it and he knows it.

Spot on.

Which is why I think the reaction of earlier posters is ridiculous. The attitude of if you're with us you're against us is just how rags react.

The guy tried his best, played well but didnt work out. Cant get a game with us and so wants to leave. Fair play to the man!!

[Ted Hughes]

Bojinov wouldn't get near the team on merit. We've now got better. We know it and he knows it.

Spot on.

Which is why I think the reaction of earlier posters is ridiculous. The attitude of if you're with us you're against us is just how rags react.

The guy tried his best, played well but didnt work out. Cant get a game with us and so wants to leave. Fair play to the man!!

He's tried fuck all with us. When has a fully fit Bojinov ever been left out of a City team apart from when Sven 1st signed him?

[Beeks]

When has a fully fit Bojinov ever been left out of a City team?

When has he ever been fully fit Ted?!

[sandman]

Bojinov wouldn't get near the team on merit. We've now got better. We know it and he knows it.

Spot on.

Which is why I think the reaction of earlier posters is ridiculous. The attitude of if you're with us you're against us is just how rags react.

The guy tried his best, played well but didnt work out. Cant get a game with us and so wants to leave. Fair play to the man!!

He's tried fuck all with us. When has a fully fit Bojinov ever been left out of a City team apart from when Sven 1st signed him?

Since he went on loan, he became fit and was shipped off, therefore he knows he is not required by City.

[Wooders]

back to topic - I don't see Barca handing over 40 million for Robinho - you would have think that we would expect at least 35, as its not as if he hasn't been a success here... and we paid 33? Yaya plus money is a possibility I suppose.

[Citeh&Crew]

Boj has the potential to be a great striker.

Please, leave out the crap about his pace; you have no idea how fast he will/won't be after he has recovered form while playing consistently for a year.

Bottom line is that he won't come close to starting here, given the fact that we signed about 2000 strikers in the transfer window. No chance. Of course.. I would rather develop Boj by putting him in RSC's spot on the bench, rather than have RSC. I don't rate RSC as highly as most.

So with that said, why the hell wouldn't and shouldn't he want to stay at Parma? Exactly what kind of mentality do some of you have, to think that he OWES City in such a manner, that he should just get paid to rot on a bench? Are you mad?

About Robbie.. let me preface by stating that I am a big fan of his. I love the way he plays, and I like his personality off the field. With that said, SELL HIM in the January window if possible. Pick up YaYa and some cash. I won't pontificate, but to say that Petrov fits better on this team, right now.

[Bingo Lewis]

Boj has the potential to be a great striker.

Please, leave out the crap about his pace; you have no idea how fast he will/won't be after he has recovered form while playing consistently for a year.

Bottom line is that he won't come close to starting here, given the fact that we signed about 2000 strikers in the transfer window. No chance. Of course.. I would rather develop Boj by putting him in RSC's spot on the bench, rather than have RSC. I don't rate RSC as highly as most.

So with that said, why the hell wouldn't and shouldn't he want to stay at Parma? Exactly what kind of mentality do some of you have, to think that he OWES City in such a manner, that he should just get paid to rot on a bench? Are you mad?

About Robbie.. let me preface by stating that I am a big fan of his. I love the way he plays, and I like his personality off the field. With that said, SELL HIM in the January window if possible. Pick up YaYa and some cash. I won't pontificate, but to say that Petrov fits better on this team, right now.

Fantastic word, I like you already.

[DoomMerchant]

back to topic - I don't see Barca handing over 40 million for Robinho - you would have think that we would expect at least 35, as its not as if he hasn't been a success here... and we paid 33? Yaya plus money is a possibility I suppose.

yaya and a defender is also a possibility if this thing has legs. what're Puyol or Marquez valued at these days?

[Fidel Castro]

Why does everyone keep going on about Yaya? de Jong is in great form atm & now that Kompo is fit again, do we really need another defensive midfielder? Sounds silly to me, especially at the expense of our 1 truly world-class player.

[Original Dub]

Boj has the potential to be a great striker.

Please, leave out the crap about his pace; you have no idea how fast he will/won't be after he has recovered form while playing consistently for a year.

Bottom line is that he won't come close to starting here, given the fact that we signed about 2000 strikers in the transfer window. No chance. Of course.. I would rather develop Boj by putting him in RSC's spot on the bench, rather than have RSC. I don't rate RSC as highly as most.
So with that said, why the hell wouldn't and shouldn't he want to stay at Parma? Exactly what kind of mentality do some of you have, to think that he OWES City in such a manner, that he should just get paid to rot on a bench? Are you mad?

About Robbie.. let me preface by stating that I am a big fan of his. I love the way he plays, and I like his personality off the field. With that said, SELL HIM in the January window if possible. Pick up YaYa and some cash. I won't pontificate, but to say that Petrov fits better on this team, right now.

The underlined seems full of contradictions.

Firstly, Santa hasn't been playing consistantly for a year, but you're judging him based on his last season. Then you say you'd rather have Boj? I take it that's based on his best full season in Italy? What about Santa's best season in the premier league (where it is most important), only the season before? Is that comparible to Boj's best season?


It just seems to me that you are giving out about people not giving Boj a chance and you'd rather have him in the squad than Santa Cruz, because Santa Cruz hasn't looked good yet?

Something wrong there mate!

[Bingo Lewis]

Boj has the potential to be a great striker.

Please, leave out the crap about his pace; you have no idea how fast he will/won't be after he has recovered form while playing consistently for a year.

Bottom line is that he won't come close to starting here, given the fact that we signed about 2000 strikers in the transfer window. No chance. Of course.. I would rather develop Boj by putting him in RSC's spot on the bench, rather than have RSC. I don't rate RSC as highly as most.
So with that said, why the hell wouldn't and shouldn't he want to stay at Parma? Exactly what kind of mentality do some of you have, to think that he OWES City in such a manner, that he should just get paid to rot on a bench? Are you mad?

About Robbie.. let me preface by stating that I am a big fan of his. I love the way he plays, and I like his personality off the field. With that said, SELL HIM in the January window if possible. Pick up YaYa and some cash. I won't pontificate, but to say that Petrov fits better on this team, right now.

The underlined seems full of contradictions.

Firstly, Santa hasn't been playing consistantly for a year, but you're judging him based on his last season. Then you say you'd rather have Boj? I take it that's based on his best full season in Italy? What about Santa's best season in the premier league (where it is most important), only the season before? Is that comparible to Boj's best season?


It just seems to me that you are giving out about people not giving Boj a chance and you'd rather have him in the squad than Santa Cruz, because Santa Cruz hasn't looked good yet?

Something wrong there mate!

doesn't matter though, coz he said pontificating.

[sandman]

Why does everyone keep going on about Yaya? de Jong is in great form atm & now that Kompo is fit again, do we really need another defensive midfielder? Sounds silly to me, especially at the expense of our 1 truly world-class player.

Spot on, we have at least 4 and potentially 9 weaker positions to fill before Defensive Mid.

[john@staustell]

Cant blame Boj, good luck to the fella, has always shown the perfect attitude and ability in the brief opportunities he's had here, he knows he has 4 strikers ahead of him in the pecking order and it would be better for both parties to let him go.
(though i'd play him before Santa Cruz if both stayed fit for more than a fortnight?)

Yeah it's a difficult scenario though. He probably wants to prove his worth here, having not had the opportunity due to his injuries. But, as you say, there's now potentially 4 strikers ahead of him in the pecking order. Though, I wonder if he did come back fit and firing and in the form of his life, would Les play him instead of any of "his" signings?

Toughie.

Even when Elano and Petrov have shown great form Leslie has benched them for "his" signings, I believe that his decisions do not always reflect the best interests of the club and we have lost several points during his reign by playing unsuitable subs / replacements.

It's a pretty difficult situation for Les though too I'd guess. Imagine if you'd just spent millions and millions on players and you ended up benching them for one of the players who was bought, before your reign, for just a hint of the fee?

He could either be slaughtered for wasting money on players he's not using or, on the slip side, not using any of the squad he inherited.

To be fair though, think of Ireland and Richards; Academy players who have been (at some stage) getting to the front of the queue, ahead of some of Hughes' buys (though not recently).

And Richards has now fallen out of favour...

If I havent missed anyone then there are only SWP and Ireland left from Sven... So what would be the point in Bojinov fighting for a place that just wont come??

Sandman you seem to be still peddling that old myth about Hughes sulking about players he didn't sign. The simple fact is our old squad lost 8-1 at a poor side and laughed about it (just as an example of their ineptitude), with only Ireland it seems taking it seriously. Without revisiting those endless debates a brief summary of these so-called out-of-favour-because-Hughes-didn't-sign-them players you mention is:

Petrov - largely injured last year. When he did come back he wasn't really fit and also kept giving the ball away. Now fit, bucking up a bit and looks pretty good. Les refused to let him go to Spuds on the last day of the window. All seems sensible to me, not 'bias'.

Richards - widely held by 99.9% of people on here to playing like a complete twat, culminating in a dire performance at OT. Came in at CB at Wigan and did a half-decent job, making the right noises in the press and hopefully getting it together. Dropped for 'bias' or playing badly? Sensible again.

Elano - flashes of brilliance followed by periods of intense mediocrity characterised mainly by giving the ball away, being unable to hold it in any challenge, dire attempts at goal or crosses and no ability to tackle whatsoever. Culminated in, once again, a performance at OT which was one of the worst in a City shirt for many years. Even his supporters threw in the towell and, with his disruptive attitude carried here from Shaktar, hardly a whimper was heard when he was eventually shipped out. To Turkey of course, not Milan!!

All these decisions seem aimed at gearing us up for a top spot to me not bias. I'm sure Les would've been delighted if he'd inherited a load of top players. Not the case, however nostaglic some are. Boj isn't good enough either.

[mcfc1632]

Cant blame Boj, good luck to the fella, has always shown the perfect attitude and ability in the brief opportunities he's had here, he knows he has 4 strikers ahead of him in the pecking order and it would be better for both parties to let him go.
(though i'd play him before Santa Cruz if both stayed fit for more than a fortnight?)

Yeah it's a difficult scenario though. He probably wants to prove his worth here, having not had the opportunity due to his injuries. But, as you say, there's now potentially 4 strikers ahead of him in the pecking order. Though, I wonder if he did come back fit and firing and in the form of his life, would Les play him instead of any of "his" signings?

Toughie.

Even when Elano and Petrov have shown great form Leslie has benched them for "his" signings, I believe that his decisions do not always reflect the best interests of the club and we have lost several points during his reign by playing unsuitable subs / replacements.

It's a pretty difficult situation for Les though too I'd guess. Imagine if you'd just spent millions and millions on players and you ended up benching them for one of the players who was bought, before your reign, for just a hint of the fee?

He could either be slaughtered for wasting money on players he's not using or, on the slip side, not using any of the squad he inherited.

To be fair though, think of Ireland and Richards; Academy players who have been (at some stage) getting to the front of the queue, ahead of some of Hughes' buys (though not recently).

And Richards has now fallen out of favour...






If I havent missed anyone then there are only SWP and Ireland left from Sven... So what would be the point in Bojinov fighting for a place that just wont come??

I think that you are trying to prove a point - unfortunately using Richards fir that purpose does not work - indeed it totally undermines the point you are seeking to prove

If Richards is now out of favour (which I am unfortunately not sure is the case) it is because his performance has been really really poor - The manager has supported and supported his place in the team to the detriment of the good of CITY and indeed Richards being so backed is the clearest example of us having lost points there is - the very thing that you seem to want to accuse the manager of by selecting his signings

If you go further - Petrov was a liability in a team situation last year - clearly as was Elano - you cannot pick players in the hope they will be bothered to get off their arse and perform consistently and not just when they feel like it - Elao would not make that effort - hopefully we are seeing signs that Petrov might

But I am afraid your point does not stand up to examination

[Beeks]

Sandman you seem to be still peddling that old myth about Hughes sulking about players he didn't sign. The simple fact is our old squad lost 8-1 at a poor side and laughed about it (just as an example of their ineptitude), with only Ireland it seems taking it seriously. Without revisiting those endless debates a brief summary of these so-called out-of-favour-because-Hughes-didn't-sign-them players you mention is:

Petrov - largely injured last year. When he did come back he wasn't really fit and also kept giving the ball away. Now fit, bucking up a bit and looks pretty good. Les refused to let him go to Spuds on the last day of the window. All seems sensible to me, not 'bias'.

Richards - widely held by 99.9% of people on here to playing like a complete twat, culminating in a dire performance at OT. Came in at CB at Wigan and did a half-decent job, making the right noises in the press and hopefully getting it together. Dropped for 'bias' or playing badly? Sensible again.

Elano - flashes of brilliance followed by periods of intense mediocrity characterised mainly by giving the ball away, being unable to hold it in any challenge, dire attempts at goal or crosses and no ability to tackle whatsoever. Culminated in, once again, a performance at OT which was one of the worst in a City shirt for many years. Even his supporters threw in the towell and, with his disruptive attitude carried here from Shaktar, hardly a whimper was heard when he was eventually shipped out. To Turkey of course, not Milan!!

All these decisions seem aimed at gearing us up for a top spot to me not bias. I'm sure Les would've been delighted if he'd inherited a load of top players. Not the case, however nostaglic some are. Boj isn't good enough either.

Good post John and I agree completely

[Original Dub]

John, I'm not sure whether you agree with this but anytime I've ever seen : "Hughes won't play him, he didn't sign him", or "If hughes can't handle a truely world class player then the player will be gone", or "If its a choice between Robinho and the Sheik or Hughes, I'll side with Robinho and the Sheik" etc...

Its nromally from someone that just doesn't want Hughes in charge, simple as that.

The problem these people now have is that everyone is talking about how well City are doing at the moment and these people would look ridiculous to keep championing their "get hughes out" campaign. This in turn must cause great frustration and the only way to get at the manager is to question why a player might be leaving or even getting dropped!

If anyone would like to correct me if I'm wrong, please do so.

I'm all ears.

Otherwise, I think the best thing to do with such conspiracy posts is just reply with - "Do you want to see Hughes here for the long term?" Herein lies the answer IMO!

[sandman]

Sandman you seem to be still peddling that old myth about Hughes sulking about players he didn't sign. The simple fact is our old squad lost 8-1 at a poor side and laughed about it (just as an example of their ineptitude), with only Ireland it seems taking it seriously. Without revisiting those endless debates a brief summary of these so-called out-of-favour-because-Hughes-didn't-sign-them players you mention is:

Petrov - largely injured last year. When he did come back he wasn't really fit and also kept giving the ball away. Now fit, bucking up a bit and looks pretty good. Les refused to let him go to Spuds on the last day of the window. All seems sensible to me, not 'bias'.

Richards - widely held by 99.9% of people on here to playing like a complete twat, culminating in a dire performance at OT. Came in at CB at Wigan and did a half-decent job, making the right noises in the press and hopefully getting it together. Dropped for 'bias' or playing badly? Sensible again.

Elano - flashes of brilliance followed by periods of intense mediocrity characterised mainly by giving the ball away, being unable to hold it in any challenge, dire attempts at goal or crosses and no ability to tackle whatsoever. Culminated in, once again, a performance at OT which was one of the worst in a City shirt for many years. Even his supporters threw in the towell and, with his disruptive attitude carried here from Shaktar, hardly a whimper was heard when he was eventually shipped out. To Turkey of course, not Milan!!

All these decisions seem aimed at gearing us up for a top spot to me not bias. I'm sure Les would've been delighted if he'd inherited a load of top players. Not the case, however nostaglic some are. Boj isn't good enough either.

Couldnt agree more with the way you have summed them up, absolutely spot on, but Elano and Petrov have both been denied gametime when showing great form on more than one or two occasions for less than average replacements.

Do you remember him Subbing Elano off time after time at the end of last season when he was on fire (by his standards) Almost the entire south stand was singing and singing his name game after game, infuriated many blues.

[Fidel Castro]

Already forgotten Elano tbh, still think he would've been a handy stand-in for Ireland though. Shame he's such a soft twat cos he's definitely got talent. His performance against Hamburg at coms was the best I've seen from a City player.

[Ted Hughes]

Sandman you seem to be still peddling that old myth about Hughes sulking about players he didn't sign. The simple fact is our old squad lost 8-1 at a poor side and laughed about it (just as an example of their ineptitude), with only Ireland it seems taking it seriously. Without revisiting those endless debates a brief summary of these so-called out-of-favour-because-Hughes-didn't-sign-them players you mention is:

Petrov - largely injured last year. When he did come back he wasn't really fit and also kept giving the ball away. Now fit, bucking up a bit and looks pretty good. Les refused to let him go to Spuds on the last day of the window. All seems sensible to me, not 'bias'.

Richards - widely held by 99.9% of people on here to playing like a complete twat, culminating in a dire performance at OT. Came in at CB at Wigan and did a half-decent job, making the right noises in the press and hopefully getting it together. Dropped for 'bias' or playing badly? Sensible again.

Elano - flashes of brilliance followed by periods of intense mediocrity characterised mainly by giving the ball away, being unable to hold it in any challenge, dire attempts at goal or crosses and no ability to tackle whatsoever. Culminated in, once again, a performance at OT which was one of the worst in a City shirt for many years. Even his supporters threw in the towell and, with his disruptive attitude carried here from Shaktar, hardly a whimper was heard when he was eventually shipped out. To Turkey of course, not Milan!!

All these decisions seem aimed at gearing us up for a top spot to me not bias. I'm sure Les would've been delighted if he'd inherited a load of top players. Not the case, however nostaglic some are. Boj isn't good enough either.

Couldnt agree more with the way you have summed them up, absolutely spot on, but Elano and Petrov have both been denied gametime when showing great form on more than one or two occasions for less than average replacements.

Do you remember him Subbing Elano off time after time at the end of last season when he was on fire (by his standards) Almost the entire south stand was singing and singing his name game after game, infuriated many blues.

The main players Hughes got slated for playing were Vassell, Caicedo, Fernandes & later Richards none of of whom he signed. His one failure signing, Ben Haim, was dropped & fucked off without ceremony. If you're going to slag the bloke off, at least have the decency to slag him for something that he's done rather than that which is bollocks of an astounding level. He's probably been the least guilty of favouritism out of any manager we've had in my lifetime. Is there something bad about a City squad that doesn't have issues so you have to create some kind of artificial situation that doesn't exist?

Anyhow , Bojinov had missed two whole years of football & his career was on the line so rather than stick him on the bench or in the reserves, Hughes has given him the chance of regular football elsewhere to get himself fit & rescue his career. He clearly doesn't give a fuck about repaying that or our support & is happy to swan around Italy. Bollocks to him.

[Citeh&Crew]

Boj has the potential to be a great striker.

Please, leave out the crap about his pace; you have no idea how fast he will/won't be after he has recovered form while playing consistently for a year.

Bottom line is that he won't come close to starting here, given the fact that we signed about 2000 strikers in the transfer window. No chance. Of course.. I would rather develop Boj by putting him in RSC's spot on the bench, rather than have RSC. I don't rate RSC as highly as most.
So with that said, why the hell wouldn't and shouldn't he want to stay at Parma? Exactly what kind of mentality do some of you have, to think that he OWES City in such a manner, that he should just get paid to rot on a bench? Are you mad?

About Robbie.. let me preface by stating that I am a big fan of his. I love the way he plays, and I like his personality off the field. With that said, SELL HIM in the January window if possible. Pick up YaYa and some cash. I won't pontificate, but to say that Petrov fits better on this team, right now.

The underlined seems full of contradictions.

Firstly, Santa hasn't been playing consistantly for a year, but you're judging him based on his last season. Then you say you'd rather have Boj? I take it that's based on his best full season in Italy? What about Santa's best season in the premier league (where it is most important), only the season before? Is that comparible to Boj's best season?


It just seems to me that you are giving out about people not giving Boj a chance and you'd rather have him in the squad than Santa Cruz, because Santa Cruz hasn't looked good yet?

Something wrong there mate!

doesn't matter though, coz he said pontificating.

What's wrong, did you have to look it up? How about the word, "peevish"? You know that one? No? I didn't think so. Next, please look up the word "oaf", and find yourself described.