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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Tue May 06, 2014 11:38 am

As I understand it Ted, this will have come as something of a surprise to our owners as they have complied with UEFA's advice on these financial regulations over the last few years. Fucking shocking if true.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue May 06, 2014 11:45 am

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:As I understand it Ted, this will have come as something of a surprise to our owners as they have complied with UEFA's advice on these financial regulations over the last few years. Fucking shocking if true.


It may have been the original ffp rules we have been complying with though.

It could be UEFA who are in for the shock, when you consider that the blokes who drafted the rules in the first place now work for us.

I doubt we have gone to all that trouble just to have our pants pulled down unexpectedly.

I very much doubt that the way this is currently being reported, is the way it is actually happening. Even the £50 mil fine, if true, could possibly be something a lot different than it appears.

We will have to wait & see on this.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby mr_nool » Tue May 06, 2014 11:46 am

The bastards are making it up as they go along.
It's truly fucking gobsmacking. If you are to implement something like FFP, the rules, regulations and punishments need to be set in stone in advance.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Hazy2 » Tue May 06, 2014 11:49 am

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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue May 06, 2014 11:52 am

mr_nool wrote:The bastards are making it up as they go along.
It's truly fucking gobsmacking. If you are to implement something like FFP, the rules, regulations and punishments need to be set in stone in advance.


According to the much maligned TH on Bluemoon, this whole story has been lifted from an article in L'Equipe & used by the rest of the media.

If that's true, everything we have read re City is speculation.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Tesl » Tue May 06, 2014 11:55 am

Honestly I find this whole thing quite entertaining. The guys running our club aren't idiots, they will get things sorted out in a way that is good for us. And honestly, even if we are being made to enter the tournament with one hand tied behind our back, I find that quite appealing almost. Lets win the thing whilst at a disadvantage to piss them off further.

If it was me I'd just not bother entering the competition and focus on winning the PL year after year. Its really the only one that matters :)
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby john@staustell » Tue May 06, 2014 12:32 pm

Tesl wrote:Honestly I find this whole thing quite entertaining. The guys running our club aren't idiots, they will get things sorted out in a way that is good for us. And honestly, even if we are being made to enter the tournament with one hand tied behind our back, I find that quite appealing almost. Lets win the thing whilst at a disadvantage to piss them off further.

If it was me I'd just not bother entering the competition and focus on winning the PL year after year. Its really the only one that matters :)


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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Hazy2 » Tue May 06, 2014 12:41 pm

john@staustell wrote:
Tesl wrote:Honestly I find this whole thing quite entertaining. The guys running our club aren't idiots, they will get things sorted out in a way that is good for us. And honestly, even if we are being made to enter the tournament with one hand tied behind our back, I find that quite appealing almost. Lets win the thing whilst at a disadvantage to piss them off further.

If it was me I'd just not bother entering the competition and focus on winning the PL year after year. Its really the only one that matters :)


I'm with you mate, not worth us worrying about it.


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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby mcfc1632 » Tue May 06, 2014 12:50 pm

john@staustell wrote:
Tesl wrote:Honestly I find this whole thing quite entertaining. The guys running our club aren't idiots, they will get things sorted out in a way that is good for us. And honestly, even if we are being made to enter the tournament with one hand tied behind our back, I find that quite appealing almost. Lets win the thing whilst at a disadvantage to piss them off further.

If it was me I'd just not bother entering the competition and focus on winning the PL year after year. Its really the only one that matters :)


I'm with you mate, not worth us worrying about it.



As one of those that were seen to be worrying too much about all this - and believing that there will be serious implications - I really hope you are right.

For me this has been too artfully crafted over a long period, at great expense and working closely with EU representatives for it to not proceed to implementation. Also - given the sponsors/advocates and the way the 'rules' have been drawn up to protect the old guard - the implementation approach and regulations (IMO) were always going to come down hard on a selected few - us included, otherwise UeFA will not have well served their ECA masters.

We have been in close dialogue with UeFA for the duration but you can bet that the likes of Gill and Wenger will have been working hard to see that we get no latitude. Ted - who do you mean when you refer to the people that originally drew up the regulations to be working for us now - the Spaniards? I am pretty sure that it was the likes of Gill that were the 'ghost writers'.

Really want to be absolutely wrong on this - but none of this surprises me and I cannot find it remotely funny. If these rumours are true - the punishments have been carefully crafted to do a number on CITY and ensure that they bite
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby blues2win » Tue May 06, 2014 1:10 pm

PSG are likely to cave according to L'Equipe. There is no mention of City in the article and it would be wrong to assume exactly the same sanctions for two entirely different cases. UEFA are not all powerful as one or two posters seem to think and they don't want a protracted legal dispute with a very powerful owner. If UEFA don't back down substantially I expect this will end up in the Courts. Every case should be treated on its merits rather than making political judgements. The European Commission aren't the arbiters; the European Court of Justice is. Since FFP is blatantly a restraint of trade UEFA would be taking an almighty risk if they locked horns with us. The alternative is to recognise that we are well on the way to sustainability which is what they claim they want. On that basis it would be unjust and illegal to lump us in with PSG which blatantly isn't.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby AG7 » Tue May 06, 2014 1:11 pm

It is all speculation ... the French paper speculated yesterday about these for PSG (it was all over Twitter) and today english papers have translated that article and just replaced PSG with City in it and gone with the story ...

Oh, and the French had said 'these could be' for PSG while English have somehow translated that to 'these are' ...
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby PeterParker » Tue May 06, 2014 1:19 pm

Ok, fine, but 50 mil and 150 mil?

How are you fighting financial regulations with that cash? This is the most obvious scam that we saw in the modern era football. The fine is a joke both for us and PSG, beyond a joke. How can you, as a club, pay that money, but still be able to fit their rules.

No freaking way, we go to court with this and PSG should do it too. Sue them for everything they've got. Twatini is ruining european football.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby cartesr » Tue May 06, 2014 1:26 pm

Oh here we go yet another negative press story before an important game
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Dameerto » Tue May 06, 2014 1:27 pm

There's no official information until either UEFA or City release it - so don't fall for the destabilisation. Anyone outside of City stating anything without a link to either of those sources can go fuck themselves.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby Hazy2 » Tue May 06, 2014 1:39 pm

Dameerto wrote:There's no official information until either UEFA or City release it - so don't fall for the destabilisation. Anyone outside of City stating anything without a link to either of those sources can go fuck themselves.


Win the league , leave it to our owners to deal with Pricktini,, as you rightly point out the agenda is to try anything to ruin our season.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby lets all have a disco » Tue May 06, 2014 1:58 pm

I'm actually kind of glad this is out there a day before the game.

We are fretting,Liverpool want it to throw us off course,meanwhile over at Carrington the lads dont care and are wholely focused on the task in hand.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue May 06, 2014 2:13 pm

UEFA fine clubs 25,000 pounds for Racism.

UEFA fine City 50 million pounds for pumping a billion pounds into club,unemployment,schooling,infrastructure and all this without taking a penny out.



The penalty sounds fair to me.
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby AG7 » Tue May 06, 2014 2:29 pm

I say win the league first (focus on that this week) then go and sign Messi for that reported €250m figure ... and tell them to go shove all that fine and restrictions up their arse ...

And tell them through a public press conference that the Champions of England (of the best league in the world) including the best player ever (Messi) will NOT participate in next years Champions League ... go fuck yourself!

And unofficially spread rumours for a breakaway mega league that'll fuck UEFA to history ...

Then sit back and watch them come begging and re-draw their FFP and all as all their advertisers, partners, broadcasters will have a proper go at them ...

We'll be begged to come back in to CL even before it starts this year itself ...
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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby halnone » Tue May 06, 2014 2:46 pm

it's a fucking joke. The real intentions behind this are incredibly clear. We aren't supposed to be part of Europe's elite.


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Re: Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

Postby BlueinBosnia » Tue May 06, 2014 2:55 pm

AG7 wrote:And unofficially spread rumours for a breakaway mega league that'll fuck UEFA to history ...

This is an interesting point - although FAs are 'optionally' banned from scheduling matches on nights when UEFA competitions take place, I believe there isn't any restriction on clubs playing exhibition matches outside of the geographical jurisdiction of UEFA.

In a highly extreme (and fanciful) scenario, it could be that several teams would be tempted to participate in an exhibition tournament in cities around the world. Such a competition would not be limited to UEFA member clubs, but also include teams from South America, the USA, etc., who may want a hack at accessing the lucrative global TV & Merch market. Of course, if they qualified for the CL, they could make their entire CL squad available for that competition, but there is no rule stating which players that are under contract to them have to be in the UEFA roster, right?

All matches would be at neutral venues, the bidding process for which would be taken directly from UEFA's plan for Euro 2020. The neutral venue aspect reduces the number of games players have to play, by only including a single leg. The only problem is jet-lag, but this can be overcome (for European clubs, at the very least) by playing morning games in the Americas, and night games in the Far East. National stadiums that are not occupied by club teams in Europe could also be used, I'd guess.
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