New Pep rumours

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Pep can say he will see out his contract 200 million times. If the Bayern hierarchy see things differently, he may not get to make the choice. Five defeats on the spin is poor, no matter how you dress it up.

The rumour mill will be grinding again by the weekend and it will continue to do so I think

Edit: - looks like it might be just the four. Still, a damp squib end of the season for them

I've just heard a couple of separate arguments; one in favour of Guardiola staying for another year at Bayern, the other in favour him leaving Bayern this summer,

The first one was that at Barcelona he inherited a fine side with excellent players and then he waited until he was subsequently able to take over an established side, with very good players at Bayern.

Given his track record in this respect, plus the suspicion that he may not be able to build a side for himself, the suggestion was that he would would wait this next season out until Butthead had built a side for the Scum and then he would parachute into the Swamp and inherit all the work that had been completed by the Dutch 'maestro'.


The second idea was that Bayern are going to need a number of new players this summer, to replace some older fading ones as well as others with continuing injury concerns. It was suggested that the Bayern board would not trust Guardiola to spend a load of cash, only to leave in twelve months time and then to make more money available for his successor to build the side that he wanted and sign more players.

On this basis, the argument was that Bayern would off-load Guardiola this summer and get his successor in straight away.


You can pay your money and take your choice as to which of these thoughts you subscribe to.

[Im_Spartacus]

The rag story is the same tripe that was trotted out when Baconface left.

"We're gonna get Ronaldo back then bring Guardiola in."

Then Moyes got a 6 year contract

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Guardiola has publicly denied it. End thread?

Well he's not gonna admit it is he?

You would say that, wouldn't you?

Why?

I was being ironical. Truth is, we haven't got a clue what's on Guardiola's mind.

[Dameerto]

Pep can say he will see out his contract 200 million times. If the Bayern hierarchy see things differently, he may not get to make the choice. Five defeats on the spin is poor, no matter how you dress it up.

The rumour mill will be grinding again by the weekend and it will continue to do so I think

Edit: - looks like it might be just the four. Still, a damp squib end of the season for them

I've just heard a couple of separate arguments; one in favour of Guardiola staying for another year at Bayern, the other in favour him leaving Bayern this summer,

The first one was that at Barcelona he inherited a fine side with excellent players and then he waited until he was subsequently able to take over an established side, with very good players at Bayern.

Given his track record in this respect, plus the suspicion that he may not be able to build a side for himself, the suggestion was that he would would wait this next season out until Butthead had built a side for the Scum and then he would parachute into the Swamp and inherit all the work that had been completed by the Dutch 'maestro'.


The second idea was that Bayern are going to need a number of new players this summer, to replace some older fading ones as well as others with continuing injury concerns. It was suggested that the Bayern board would not trust Guardiola to spend a load of cash, only to leave in twelve months time and then to make more money available for his successor to build the side that he wanted and sign more players.

On this basis, the argument was that Bayern would off-load Guardiola this summer and get his successor in straight away.


You can pay your money and take your choice as to which of these thoughts you subscribe to.

I think that's unfair to him - he had a mini-clearout when he took over the senior team and a number of players came in (the question of whether they were his signings or Txiki's is open to debate I guess). He also promoted several players from the B team at the same time.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Pep can say he will see out his contract 200 million times. If the Bayern hierarchy see things differently, he may not get to make the choice. Five defeats on the spin is poor, no matter how you dress it up.

The rumour mill will be grinding again by the weekend and it will continue to do so I think

Edit: - looks like it might be just the four. Still, a damp squib end of the season for them

I've just heard a couple of separate arguments; one in favour of Guardiola staying for another year at Bayern, the other in favour him leaving Bayern this summer,

The first one was that at Barcelona he inherited a fine side with excellent players and then he waited until he was subsequently able to take over an established side, with very good players at Bayern.

Given his track record in this respect, plus the suspicion that he may not be able to build a side for himself, the suggestion was that he would would wait this next season out until Butthead had built a side for the Scum and then he would parachute into the Swamp and inherit all the work that had been completed by the Dutch 'maestro'.


The second idea was that Bayern are going to need a number of new players this summer, to replace some older fading ones as well as others with continuing injury concerns. It was suggested that the Bayern board would not trust Guardiola to spend a load of cash, only to leave in twelve months time and then to make more money available for his successor to build the side that he wanted and sign more players.

On this basis, the argument was that Bayern would off-load Guardiola this summer and get his successor in straight away.


You can pay your money and take your choice as to which of these thoughts you subscribe to.

I think that's unfair to him - he had a mini-clearout when he took over the senior team and a number of players came in (the question of whether they were his signings or Txiki's is open to debate I guess). He also promoted several players from the B team at the same time.

I tend to agree. It wasn't a rebuild as such but the side evolved brilliantly under his management.

Also, those that say anyone could win with the players must be reading from the 'arry Redknapp guide to football management. He may have had the players but with that comes egos, the fact that he was able to consistently get a tune from these egos over his term in charge is proof of how good a manager he is.

Another thing that is usually discounted when it comes to Pep is the work he did with Barca B, he revolutionised the whole set up there and did a great job turning the B teams fortunes around.

[Im_Spartacus]

I think that's unfair to him - he had a mini-clearout when he took over the senior team and a number of players came in (the question of whether they were his signings or Txiki's is open to debate I guess). He also promoted several players from the B team at the same time.

I tend to agree. It wasn't a rebuild as such but the side evolved brilliantly under his management.

Also, those that say anyone could win with the players must be reading from the 'arry Redknapp guide to football management. He may have had the players but with that comes egos, the fact that he was able to consistently get a tune from these egos over his term in charge is proof of how good a manager he is.

Another thing that is usually discounted when it comes to Pep is the work he did with Barca B, he revolutionised the whole set up there and did a great job turning the B teams fortunes around.

He was only with Barcelona B for a year, he didn't revolutionise anything.

The revolution that happened at Barcelona was a good 10 years in the planning, set in motion by Cryuff a long time before Guardiola arrived, and mainly overseen by .Rijjkard from what I recall. Out of the superstars he 'allegedly' developed, only Busquets was not already in the first team squad when he became manager, although he had already played for the first team, Pedro was only promoted to the first team officially under Guardiola.

You see the myth that surrounds him about developing kids is just that, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Valdes, Abidal, Toure, Puyol, Sylvinho, Gudjonsen, Henry, Eto'o - he hardly inherited a shabby squad. He/tricky signed Alves, Pique, Keita, then the year after Ibrahimovic.

I'm not trying to diminish Guardiola's place in barcelona's history with an incredible 4 year spell in charge, but credit has to go to those who came a long time before him for the foundations and for what he inherited......what was undoubtedly down to him was the playing style and intensity of the Barca team, but the building of barcelona was nothing to do with him, it's one of the greatest myths in football.

This is why I call bollocks on those who say Vieira must serve another 3 years in the reserves or wherever to 'learn his trade'.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Have a read of this Sparty. He revolutionised Barca B. This is the first part of 4.

http://footballcantera.com/josep-guardi ... b-part-14/

I'm not saying he revolutionised the whole youth set up like you seem to be referring to above just the B team

[Im_Spartacus]

Have a read of this Sparty. He revolutionised Barca B. This is the first part of 4.

http://footballcantera.com/josep-guardi ... b-part-14/

I'm not saying he revolutionised the whole youth set up like you seem to be referring to above just the B team

Fair enough, I misunderstood your point

[C & C]

Have a read of this Sparty. He revolutionised Barca B. This is the first part of 4.

http://footballcantera.com/josep-guardi ... b-part-14/

I'm not saying he revolutionised the whole youth set up like you seem to be referring to above just the B team

Thanks! That was a good read.

[nottsblue]

Have a read of this Sparty. He revolutionised Barca B. This is the first part of 4.

http://footballcantera.com/josep-guardi ... b-part-14/

I'm not saying he revolutionised the whole youth set up like you seem to be referring to above just the B team

Thanks! That was a good read.

Will you be posting parts 2-4 when they are available. Very enlightening read

[C & C]

Here you go...

http://footballcantera.com/josep-guardi ... b-part-24/

http://footballcantera.com/josep-guardi ... b-part-34/

http://footballcantera.com/josep-guardi ... b-part-44/

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Have a read of this Sparty. He revolutionised Barca B. This is the first part of 4.

http://footballcantera.com/josep-guardi ... b-part-14/

I'm not saying he revolutionised the whole youth set up like you seem to be referring to above just the B team

Thanks! That was a good read.

Will you be posting parts 2-4 when they are available. Very enlightening read

Parts 2-4


http://footballcantera.com/josep-guardi ... b-part-24/

http://footballcantera.com/josep-guardi ... b-part-34/

http://footballcantera.com/josep-guardi ... b-part-44/

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Thanks for posting, Brethren, fascinating stuff.

[Hazy2]

Anyone could have managed Bayern to the League title, what he has failed to do again is keep fresh from the winter break ! And be ready for last week and last night. The league was won months ago. He has answers to find at Bayern.

[nottsblue]

Very interesting reads, all of them. I like the ethos of you are not playing in this league or that league, you are playing for the shirt of Barcelona.

I imagine this is what our academy is all about. Pep really is portrayed as a guy who delivers in all areas to great success as well. Plus his ruthless side regarding discipline is commendable

[Dameerto]

Thanks for those four links, just reading through them at the moment. Very informative.

[Fesan]

That article made me a hellofalot more keen to have him manage our team!

[Ted Hughes]

Not had chance to read those pieces yet, but imagine City in say 5 years time City in the same position as Bayern Munich.

Let's say Pep comes in, wins everything, Champs Lg, the lot, leaves, then a new 'super' manager takes over, wins a couple of titles but we have been winning them anyway, 7 or 8 of our players are over 30 we get dumped out of the Champions Lg & the 'super' manager, is only contracted for one more year. He also has his own style, which is different to the style we played when we won everything & needs loads more adaptation.


If we were in that position: A) would we want to drastically restructure the club from how we were two years ago when we won the Champ's League, B) would we want to trust a manager who is only contracted for one more season, to start that job or would we prefer a new manager to start a new plan & see it through, & C) if we did want to keep the manager, would we not insist that he signed a new deal, like basically NOW, before embarking on a rebuild ?

If we were as successful a club as Bayern, I don't think any of us on here, would accept the manager staying in these circumstances, (if indeed we wanted him to stay at all) unless he signed a new longer term deal, & we would want it signing immediately.

I just don't see how he can stay at Bayern without signing something. It doesn't make any sense at all.

[bayblue]

Not had chance to read those pieces yet, but imagine City in say 5 years time City in the same position as Bayern Munich.

Let's say Pep comes in, wins everything, Champs Lg, the lot, leaves, then a new 'super' manager takes over, wins a couple of titles but we have been winning them anyway, 7 or 8 of our players are over 30 we get dumped out of the Champions Lg & the 'super' manager, is only contracted for one more year. He also has his own style, which is different to the style we played when we won everything & needs loads more adaptation.


If we were in that position: A) would we want to drastically restructure the club from how we were two years ago when we won the Champ's League, B) would we want to trust a manager who is only contracted for one more season, to start that job or would we prefer a new manager to start a new plan & see it through, & C) if we did want to keep the manager, would we not insist that he signed a new deal, like basically NOW, before embarking on a rebuild ?

If we were as successful a club as Bayern, I don't think any of us on here, would accept the manager staying in these circumstances, (if indeed we wanted him to stay at all) unless he signed a new longer term deal, & we would want it signing immediately.

I just don't see how he can stay at Bayern without signing something. It doesn't make any sense at all.

100% agree with this.
Also their own mindset is that the club is bigger than any (especially foreign) individual. Can only imagine things are very very tense behind the scenes

[Ted Hughes]

Not had chance to read those pieces yet, but imagine City in say 5 years time City in the same position as Bayern Munich.

Let's say Pep comes in, wins everything, Champs Lg, the lot, leaves, then a new 'super' manager takes over, wins a couple of titles but we have been winning them anyway, 7 or 8 of our players are over 30 we get dumped out of the Champions Lg & the 'super' manager, is only contracted for one more year. He also has his own style, which is different to the style we played when we won everything & needs loads more adaptation.


If we were in that position: A) would we want to drastically restructure the club from how we were two years ago when we won the Champ's League, B) would we want to trust a manager who is only contracted for one more season, to start that job or would we prefer a new manager to start a new plan & see it through, & C) if we did want to keep the manager, would we not insist that he signed a new deal, like basically NOW, before embarking on a rebuild ?

If we were as successful a club as Bayern, I don't think any of us on here, would accept the manager staying in these circumstances, (if indeed we wanted him to stay at all) unless he signed a new longer term deal, & we would want it signing immediately.

I just don't see how he can stay at Bayern without signing something. It doesn't make any sense at all.

100% agree with this.
Also their own mindset is that the club is bigger than any (especially foreign) individual. Can only imagine things are very very tense behind the scenes

I would imagine they have a meeting planned, where they decide whether to offer Pep a new deal or fire him/get him to leave, & that's where the City stories come in.