Come on you Septics

[Slim]

Is it me, or is anyone else quite surprised by just how many of the Americans there are on here (as evidenced in this thread)....I knew them all as posters individually but I've never seen such a mass demonstration of their presence

It's slightly unnerving

Proof positive they are more American than City.

Ah, its ok. You guys are more stupid then city by not understanding our points when we made them on page 2.

We implies you were involved, you didn't make a post on page 2.

My point is simple, let's see if you can be the first american to grasp it.

The US and Mexico would struggle to qualify in Europe, in fact I doubt either would have qualified in a group with England, Ukraine and Croatia. Honduras and Costa Rica would absolutely fail to qualify in any European group. Yet all four of those countries will make it out of the CONCACAF qualification. There is no doubt North America should have two spots, but you look at the weakest qualifier to judge how many spots the group should have.

Now, I suspect that no-one in world football expects Honduras or Costa Rica to do anything but make up the numbers at the world cup, so while the group is not designed for them to compete and advance their game, it is however a way to guarantee that America, the world second largest consumer market is involved and interested in a sport they are fighting a losing battle to maintain parity in the US market at the moment.

It's not your fault that you are in a weak group and Australia are in the same boat so I certainly am not condemning the US for taking full advantage of their situation, but Australia were promised an easy route to the world cup for getting Sepp re-elected and America are ensured participation primarily as a financial concern.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

The US and Mexico would struggle to qualify in Europe, in fact I doubt either would have qualified in a group with England, Ukraine and Croatia. Honduras and Costa Rica would absolutely fail to qualify in any European group. Yet all four of those countries will make it out of the CONCACAF qualification. There is no doubt North America should have two spots, but you look at the weakest qualifier to judge how many spots the group should have.

Now, I suspect that no-one in world football expects Honduras or Costa Rica to do anything but make up the numbers at the world cup, so while the group is not designed for them to compete and advance their game, it is however a way to guarantee that America, the world second largest consumer market is involved and interested in a sport they are fighting a losing battle to maintain parity in the US market at the moment.

It's not your fault that you are in a weak group and Australia are in the same boat so I certainly am not condemning the US for taking full advantage of their situation, but Australia were promised an easy route to the world cup for getting Sepp re-elected and America are ensured participation primarily as a financial concern.

These were exactly the points I was trying to make.

[DoomMerchant]

The US and Mexico would struggle to qualify in Europe, in fact I doubt either would have qualified in a group with England, Ukraine and Croatia. Honduras and Costa Rica would absolutely fail to qualify in any European group. Yet all four of those countries will make it out of the CONCACAF qualification. There is no doubt North America should have two spots, but you look at the weakest qualifier to judge how many spots the group should have.

Now, I suspect that no-one in world football expects Honduras or Costa Rica to do anything but make up the numbers at the world cup, so while the group is not designed for them to compete and advance their game, it is however a way to guarantee that America, the world second largest consumer market is involved and interested in a sport they are fighting a losing battle to maintain parity in the US market at the moment.

It's not your fault that you are in a weak group and Australia are in the same boat so I certainly am not condemning the US for taking full advantage of their situation, but Australia were promised an easy route to the world cup for getting Sepp re-elected and America are ensured participation primarily as a financial concern.

These were exactly the points I was trying to make.

why is it that you two can't understand that when you essentially say:

"The US has a guaranteed route to qualification and it isn't fair" (me paraphrasing, correct me where i'm wrong)

doesn't deserve some actual conversation from people who don't really agree with the premise of it being unfair? Ridiculous. The US, like many teams in parts of the world where football isn't the No 1 sporting event, still have to play matches and qualify. And yes it would be pretty dire if they didn't make it given how CONCACAF is laid out for them. Same could be said for England...with that many spots for European teams in the WC not qualifying seems outrageous, isn't it? As we saw with Euro 2008 sometimes teams fuck up and miss a tournament. Same could be said for the US. Here's my point: It isn't UNFAIR or rigged. I'm sorry but having Costa Rica or Honduras in the WC at the expense of Russia might seem insane, but Russia needs to go win a match and stake their claim. Is their route harder? surely...it should be by nature because Europe, and for that matter South American teams, are at the epicenter of football...it will naturally be harder. That doesn't make it unfair...it just is what it is.

And for the record the US very well could have qualified in the group you mentioned and might have won the group. We'll never know tho, will we?

cheers

[Rag_hater]

I think this dissmissing of CONCAF is somewhat sour grapes by the Europeans and to say Honduras and Costa Rica would not qualify from any European groyp seems an unfair thing to say to me.
And there is a ranking system called ELO that rates international teams and as some of the Europeans on here are dismissive of FIFA maybe ELO rankings are ok for them
ELO have Honduras at 33
Costa Rica 42,

Scotland 46
Poland 48,
Bosnia 47
Finland 48,
Montenegro 58
Austria 60
Belgium 61,
Hungary 63
N.Ireland
Now I think that if those are the kind of teams that are used to make up the Euro groups Costa Rica and Honduras might stand a good chance of qualifying.

[DoomMerchant]

I think this dissmissing of CONCAF is somewhat sour grapes by the Europeans and to say Honduras and Costa Rica would not qualify from any European groyp seems an unfair thing to say to me.
And there is a ranking system called ELO that rates international teams and as some of the Europeans on here are dismissive of FIFA maybe ELO rankings are ok for them
ELO have Honduras at 33
Costa Rica 42,

Scotland 46
Poland 48,
Bosnia 47
Finland 48,
Montenegro 58
Austria 60
Belgium 61,
Hungary 63
N.Ireland
Now I think that if those are the kind of teams that are used to make up the Euro groups Costa Rica and Honduras might stand a good chance of qualifying.

you are forgetting that Finland beat Costa Rica 4-0 in a friendly a few years ago tho.

cheers

[Ted Hughes]

I think this dissmissing of CONCAF is somewhat sour grapes by the Europeans and to say Honduras and Costa Rica would not qualify from any European groyp seems an unfair thing to say to me.
And there is a ranking system called ELO that rates international teams and as some of the Europeans on here are dismissive of FIFA maybe ELO rankings are ok for them
ELO have Honduras at 33
Costa Rica 42,

Scotland 46
Poland 48,
Bosnia 47
Finland 48,
Montenegro 58
Austria 60
Belgium 61,
Hungary 63
N.Ireland
Now I think that if those are the kind of teams that are used to make up the Euro groups Costa Rica and Honduras might stand a good chance of qualifying.

You really are a complete fucking cretin aren't you?

[kinkylola]

funny how this turned from a "congrats for qualifying" thread into two trolls going on and on with some nonsense how the US or Mexico wouldn't qualify if they were in a different confed.

if England were in CONMEBOL they wouldn't qualify either ... shit, the last couple of qualifying campaigns england were so gash, they would have struggled against costa rica and honduras. Infact, wasn't it Trindad & Tobago that played england really close in the WC not too long ago? so what's the point of saying that?

The fact is that the US team has come on leaps and bounds, and will continue to do so. beating Spain, Egypt and giving Brazil a very entertaining game are indicators that the team can put in class performances and those are things to build on. There are alot of people who don't want to see the US succeed, and that's fine. The opinions of slim and others aren't going to affect the US's progress.

[edge275]

I think this dissmissing of CONCAF is somewhat sour grapes by the Europeans and to say Honduras and Costa Rica would not qualify from any European groyp seems an unfair thing to say to me.
And there is a ranking system called ELO that rates international teams and as some of the Europeans on here are dismissive of FIFA maybe ELO rankings are ok for them
ELO have Honduras at 33
Costa Rica 42,

Scotland 46
Poland 48,
Bosnia 47
Finland 48,
Montenegro 58
Austria 60
Belgium 61,
Hungary 63
N.Ireland
Now I think that if those are the kind of teams that are used to make up the Euro groups Costa Rica and Honduras might stand a good chance of qualifying.

You really are a complete fucking cretin aren't you?

What's the need for that?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

The US and Mexico would struggle to qualify in Europe, in fact I doubt either would have qualified in a group with England, Ukraine and Croatia. Honduras and Costa Rica would absolutely fail to qualify in any European group. Yet all four of those countries will make it out of the CONCACAF qualification. There is no doubt North America should have two spots, but you look at the weakest qualifier to judge how many spots the group should have.

Now, I suspect that no-one in world football expects Honduras or Costa Rica to do anything but make up the numbers at the world cup, so while the group is not designed for them to compete and advance their game, it is however a way to guarantee that America, the world second largest consumer market is involved and interested in a sport they are fighting a losing battle to maintain parity in the US market at the moment.

It's not your fault that you are in a weak group and Australia are in the same boat so I certainly am not condemning the US for taking full advantage of their situation, but Australia were promised an easy route to the world cup for getting Sepp re-elected and America are ensured participation primarily as a financial concern.

These were exactly the points I was trying to make.

why is it that you two can't understand that when you essentially say:

"The US has a guaranteed route to qualification and it isn't fair" (me paraphrasing, correct me where i'm wrong)

doesn't deserve some actual conversation from people who don't really agree with the premise of it being unfair? Ridiculous.

Yes, it's fookin unfair that just because FIFA wants force the game to Yanks, they have ensured that you are GUARANTEED to make the competition even before ball is kicked. Actually, I'm surpriced even Yanks are defending the system. Give me tough and exciting, edge of the seat qualifying campaign any day of the week over automatic qualifying.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

And for the record the US very well could have qualified in the group you mentioned and might have won the group. We'll never know tho, will we?

cheers

Yes we will, you would've stood NO chance against Germany or Russia as we will find out in World Cup....... that is if Russia makes it because they will have to go to fookin play off because Europe has so few places compared to quality in continent.

[Slim]

funny how this turned from a "congrats for qualifying" thread into two trolls going on and on with some nonsense how the US or Mexico wouldn't qualify if they were in a different confed.

if England were in CONMEBOL they wouldn't qualify either ... shit, the last couple of qualifying campaigns england were so gash, they would have struggled against costa rica and honduras. Infact, wasn't it Trindad & Tobago that played england really close in the WC not too long ago? so what's the point of saying that?

The fact is that the US team has come on leaps and bounds, and will continue to do so. beating Spain, Egypt and giving Brazil a very entertaining game are indicators that the team can put in class performances and those are things to build on. There are alot of people who don't want to see the US succeed, and that's fine. The opinions of slim and others aren't going to affect the US's progress.

Jesus wept.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

funny how this turned from a "congrats for qualifying" thread into two trolls going on and on with some nonsense how the US or Mexico wouldn't qualify if they were in a different confed.

if England were in CONMEBOL they wouldn't qualify either ... shit, the last couple of qualifying campaigns england were so gash, they would have struggled against costa rica and honduras. Infact, wasn't it Trindad & Tobago that played england really close in the WC not too long ago? so what's the point of saying that?

The fact is that the US team has come on leaps and bounds, and will continue to do so. beating Spain, Egypt and giving Brazil a very entertaining game are indicators that the team can put in class performances and those are things to build on. There are alot of people who don't want to see the US succeed, and that's fine. The opinions of slim and others aren't going to affect the US's progress.

Jesus wept.

Twice.

[Somerset Blue]

Give me tough and exciting, edge of the seat qualifying campaign any day of the week over automatic qualifying.

Let me have a wild stab in the dark here - your team didn't qualify, by any chance?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Give me tough and exciting, edge of the seat qualifying campaign any day of the week over automatic qualifying.

Let me have a wild stab in the dark here - your team didn't fail to qualify, by any chance?

Of course we didn't. We never do. I don't even expect us to. But I'd much rather play Germany, Russia and Wales than Honduras, Saint-Maarten and Saint Lucia. Tell me you knew that country called Saint Lucia existed.

[Blue in the face]

funny how this turned from a "congrats for qualifying" thread into two trolls going on and on with some nonsense how the US or Mexico wouldn't qualify if they were in a different confed.

if England were in CONMEBOL they wouldn't qualify either ... shit, the last couple of qualifying campaigns england were so gash, they would have struggled against costa rica and honduras. Infact, wasn't it Trindad & Tobago that played england really close in the WC not too long ago? so what's the point of saying that?

The fact is that the US team has come on leaps and bounds, and will continue to do so. beating Spain, Egypt and giving Brazil a very entertaining game are indicators that the team can put in class performances and those are things to build on. There are alot of people who don't want to see the US succeed, and that's fine. The opinions of slim and others aren't going to affect the US's progress.

Jesus wept.

Twice.

Firstly, what the hell is CONMEBOL?

Secondly, it doesn't matter if Russia qualify, or anybody else in the play offs. If they cant win their group they can't be expect win the world cup.

And it doesn't matter who the smaller teams are. Sometimes they produce the most exciting matches. They have nothing to lose and all to gain against the "big teams" and play out of their skins in one off matches.

Don't forget. 32 teams will be at the finals. 31 of them will be going home with fuck all. The winner will come from within the previous winners with Spain possibly being the exception.

[kinkylola]

funny how this turned from a "congrats for qualifying" thread into two trolls going on and on with some nonsense how the US or Mexico wouldn't qualify if they were in a different confed.

if England were in CONMEBOL they wouldn't qualify either ... shit, the last couple of qualifying campaigns england were so gash, they would have struggled against costa rica and honduras. Infact, wasn't it Trindad & Tobago that played england really close in the WC not too long ago? so what's the point of saying that?

The fact is that the US team has come on leaps and bounds, and will continue to do so. beating Spain, Egypt and giving Brazil a very entertaining game are indicators that the team can put in class performances and those are things to build on. There are alot of people who don't want to see the US succeed, and that's fine. The opinions of slim and others aren't going to affect the US's progress.

Jesus wept.

Twice.

i don't see what an imaginary character has to do with anything, but you two are class A wums.

[Ted Hughes]

I think this dissmissing of CONCAF is somewhat sour grapes by the Europeans and to say Honduras and Costa Rica would not qualify from any European groyp seems an unfair thing to say to me.
And there is a ranking system called ELO that rates international teams and as some of the Europeans on here are dismissive of FIFA maybe ELO rankings are ok for them
ELO have Honduras at 33
Costa Rica 42,

Scotland 46
Poland 48,
Bosnia 47
Finland 48,
Montenegro 58
Austria 60
Belgium 61,
Hungary 63
N.Ireland
Now I think that if those are the kind of teams that are used to make up the Euro groups Costa Rica and Honduras might stand a good chance of qualifying.

You really are a complete fucking cretin aren't you?

What's the need for that?

Alright I apologise to himfor calling him a fucking cretin on this occasion but I read through the thread so I had the misfortune of reading several of his posts in one go so it mounts up. Stating those stats as if it means something is actually a load of hairy bollocks though & he was previously spouting utter shite about England.

[DoomMerchant]

And for the record the US very well could have qualified in the group you mentioned and might have won the group. We'll never know tho, will we?

cheers

Yes we will, you would've stood NO chance against Germany or Russia as we will find out in World Cup....... that is if Russia makes it because they will have to go to fookin play off because Europe has so few places compared to quality in continent.

germany and russia weren't in that group.

[Slim]

And for the record the US very well could have qualified in the group you mentioned and might have won the group. We'll never know tho, will we?

cheers

Yes we will, you would've stood NO chance against Germany or Russia as we will find out in World Cup....... that is if Russia makes it because they will have to go to fookin play off because Europe has so few places compared to quality in continent.

germany and russia weren't in that group.

They were the group Finland was in.

[DoomMerchant]

And for the record the US very well could have qualified in the group you mentioned and might have won the group. We'll never know tho, will we?

cheers

Yes we will, you would've stood NO chance against Germany or Russia as we will find out in World Cup....... that is if Russia makes it because they will have to go to fookin play off because Europe has so few places compared to quality in continent.

germany and russia weren't in that group.

They were the group Finland was in.

great news for Finland. We were talking about the group England was in.

How much more bullshit do you guys want to throw into this argument? Ok. You are pissed that you think the US had a cakewalk. Do you want me to apologize? i won't.