mcfc1632 wrote:From the Spurs game - it will be SWP
I think that there will be only a few 'permanent' fixtures in the team, and those in order of appearances (assuming fit) will be:
Hart and Ya Ya
Kolarov
NDJ and Tevez
The system that we will play will demand 1 'out and out' DM - NDJ is one of the best in the world and the only one we have - IMO - despite what a lot of other posters think
Going forward I think that we will see this sort of formation as 1st choice:
--------------Hart------------------
-Boateng--Toure--Kompany--Kolarov-
-------------De Jong----------------
---------Milner---Toure-------------
Silva------------------------Balotelli-
-------------Tevez------------------
with Ade and Johnson coming on regularly during the game as we mix it up and good cover in all positions in the squad
mcfc1632 wrote:From the Spurs game - it will be SWP
john@staustell wrote:mcfc1632 wrote:From the Spurs game - it will be SWP
7th post in before someone states the obvious.
Also when can we get away from this 'first 11' nonsense? It is a squad, and Mancini has made it very clear it will be used as such.
mcfc1632 wrote:john@staustell wrote:mcfc1632 wrote:From the Spurs game - it will be SWP
7th post in before someone states the obvious.
Also when can we get away from this 'first 11' nonsense? It is a squad, and Mancini has made it very clear it will be used as such.
Sorry John if it caused offence - I am just an old-fashioned sort of chap and chose to directly answer the question posed in the thread title - will try to do better in the future!!
I tried to add to the wider debate by posting what I thought was a decent assessment of the 1st 11
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:If it's Barry, I feel we are going to right direction. If it's De Jong, it's great step towards more positive football.
If it's one of the wingers then this was pointless transfer.
Rag_hater wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:If it's Barry, I feel we are going to right direction. If it's De Jong, it's great step towards more positive football.
If it's one of the wingers then this was pointless transfer.
You really do talk through your bottom sometimes.
Ted Hughes wrote:For anyone who can be arsed, here's a pretty honest even handed piece from an Italian football site, written when Mancini 1st came, which describes Mancini's Inter systems & I think predicts his subsequent moves pretty accurately & fits with what we've seen so far. It gives us an idea of how it could work & imo puts DeJong down as a 1st choice for most of the season.
During his four years with the club, he utilised more or less every formation imaginable - the only tactic he did not try was three at the back. 4-3-1-2 was generally his preferred choice, particularly in his first couple of seasons. But he desired a squad of players that allowed him tactical flexibility, a capability which he gained over the years with the arrival of wide players in Luís Figo, César and Santiago Solari. This trio were supplemented by the versatile players already at his disposal, like Javier Zanetti and Dejan Stanković, both of whom played wide in important games under the Coach. This flexibility meant Inter played 4-3-1-2, 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 at stages throughout his time in Milan. A glance at the City squad suggests some of the characteristics he desires may already be in place. He certainly has enough wide players, with Shaun Wright-Phillips, Martin Petrov, Craig Bellamy and Robinho all capable of filling this role.
It is in the centre where the squad seems to lack the features of a Mancini unit. It was not uncommon to see an Inter midfield of Javier Zanetti, Esteban Cambiasso and Vieira in games, deployed behind a trequartista in the shape of Stanković or Figo (who often played centrally, as well as wide). Depending on his intentions, a frequent alternative would have seen the Portuguese player in place of Zanetti, again with Stanković as the trequartista. In any case, the ever-presents in any three-man midfield were the power and defensive abilities of Cambiasso and Vieira (or Cristiano Zanetti, whose superior ball skills were seen primarily in Europe to attempt to create a possession game). Even in a 4-4-2, attacking players such as Stanković had to play out wide so that the defensive duo could patrol the middle. A closer examination of the individuals in the City squad who could fulfil this function in the team throws up an initial problem. Nigel de Jong is the only player who even comes close to resembling the players Mancini had at his disposal for this function at Inter. Gareth Barry will occupy the defensive space, but he is not a destroyer, and he does not have the physical attributes Mancini requires. That is not to say he has no place in his team - his ability on the ball will undoubtedly be required in the midfield, in the same way as the two Zanetti’s were at Inter - but it would not be at all surprising to see a powerful midfielder acquired in January.
He has every chance of succeeding. Finances will not be a problem, and the lack of patience evident at the club will not phase a man who has worked in Italy - a football environment where Carlo Ancelotti’s eight years at Milan are seen as a major victory for Coaches. He will add a tactical nous to City, especially during the defensive phases of play, which is so obviously missing. And, despite the power game in midfield, the football is not bad either.
johnpb78 wrote:Rag_hater wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:If it's Barry, I feel we are going to right direction. If it's De Jong, it's great step towards more positive football.
If it's one of the wingers then this was pointless transfer.
You really do talk through your bottom sometimes.
Correct about De Jong, but absolutely wrong in the case of SWP.
I hate to say it, but if he doesnt buck up, things could turn sour for him this season.
IanBishopsHaircut wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:For anyone who can be arsed, here's a pretty honest even handed piece from an Italian football site, written when Mancini 1st came, which describes Mancini's Inter systems & I think predicts his subsequent moves pretty accurately & fits with what we've seen so far. It gives us an idea of how it could work & imo puts DeJong down as a 1st choice for most of the season.
During his four years with the club, he utilised more or less every formation imaginable - the only tactic he did not try was three at the back. 4-3-1-2 was generally his preferred choice, particularly in his first couple of seasons. But he desired a squad of players that allowed him tactical flexibility, a capability which he gained over the years with the arrival of wide players in Luís Figo, César and Santiago Solari. This trio were supplemented by the versatile players already at his disposal, like Javier Zanetti and Dejan Stanković, both of whom played wide in important games under the Coach. This flexibility meant Inter played 4-3-1-2, 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 at stages throughout his time in Milan. A glance at the City squad suggests some of the characteristics he desires may already be in place. He certainly has enough wide players, with Shaun Wright-Phillips, Martin Petrov, Craig Bellamy and Robinho all capable of filling this role.
It is in the centre where the squad seems to lack the features of a Mancini unit. It was not uncommon to see an Inter midfield of Javier Zanetti, Esteban Cambiasso and Vieira in games, deployed behind a trequartista in the shape of Stanković or Figo (who often played centrally, as well as wide). Depending on his intentions, a frequent alternative would have seen the Portuguese player in place of Zanetti, again with Stanković as the trequartista. In any case, the ever-presents in any three-man midfield were the power and defensive abilities of Cambiasso and Vieira (or Cristiano Zanetti, whose superior ball skills were seen primarily in Europe to attempt to create a possession game). Even in a 4-4-2, attacking players such as Stanković had to play out wide so that the defensive duo could patrol the middle. A closer examination of the individuals in the City squad who could fulfil this function in the team throws up an initial problem. Nigel de Jong is the only player who even comes close to resembling the players Mancini had at his disposal for this function at Inter. Gareth Barry will occupy the defensive space, but he is not a destroyer, and he does not have the physical attributes Mancini requires. That is not to say he has no place in his team - his ability on the ball will undoubtedly be required in the midfield, in the same way as the two Zanetti’s were at Inter - but it would not be at all surprising to see a powerful midfielder acquired in January.
He has every chance of succeeding. Finances will not be a problem, and the lack of patience evident at the club will not phase a man who has worked in Italy - a football environment where Carlo Ancelotti’s eight years at Milan are seen as a major victory for Coaches. He will add a tactical nous to City, especially during the defensive phases of play, which is so obviously missing. And, despite the power game in midfield, the football is not bad either.
Interesting read however it seems that it was written awhile ago as it includes Petrov...therefore pre our summer signings so although it states that De Jong is key...we now have Yaya and other options
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