***Brentford v City Official Match Thread***

[salford city]

I can't agree. He wasn't just cold, he ran down blind alleys, final ball was terrible, goal scoring was crap. Completely the opposite this season

It shows a lot how important is to have someone who keeps an eye on him like Kolo is doing now.

There may be something in this although don't think Kolo is the mentor he should be using other than for mentality. A part of the improvement for me is that KDB has gone. Always looked to me that Doku sought him out at every opportunity now he doesn't have that distraction and he's better for it

[PeterParker]

I can't agree. He wasn't just cold, he ran down blind alleys, final ball was terrible, goal scoring was crap. Completely the opposite this season

It shows a lot how important is to have someone who keeps an eye on him like Kolo is doing now.

What's Kolo doing with Sav then as he looks to have gone backwards this season.
He got 8 assists last season which is more than Doku or Grealish ever got.
Doku's been a revelation this season so far, Sav the opposite.

Savinho's performances is of a player that doesn't want to be here, if you ask me.
Don't blame the fella, it's on us this one. I don't know exactly what we wanted from Spuds, the valuation was very decent for him, we had an open door for Rodrygo because it is clear Alonso doesn't fancy him. We might be afraid of another Palmer situation?

It is the same thing with Donnarumma. We waited for Ed to go before getting him (or this is what we were led on). What would have happened if that would collapse and we would have been stuck with an unhappy Ed in goal?

What I don't get, going further, is why we were so stubborn to keep Sav, but let Alvarez go so easily (a player I did not fancy for wanting to go). Same situation, same desire to go, but different attitude from our part.

[stupot]

I can't agree. He wasn't just cold, he ran down blind alleys, final ball was terrible, goal scoring was crap. Completely the opposite this season

It shows a lot how important is to have someone who keeps an eye on him like Kolo is doing now.

What's Kolo doing with Sav then as he looks to have gone backwards this season.
He got 8 assists last season which is more than Doku or Grealish ever got.
Doku's been a revelation this season so far, Sav the opposite.

Savinho's performances is of a player that doesn't want to be here, if you ask me.
Don't blame the fella, it's on us this one. I don't know exactly what we wanted from Spuds, the valuation was very decent for him, we had an open door for Rodrygo because it is clear Alonso doesn't fancy him. We might be afraid of another Palmer situation?

It is the same thing with Donnarumma. We waited for Ed to go before getting him (or this is what we were led on). What would have happened if that would collapse and we would have been stuck with an unhappy Ed in goal?

What I don't get, going further, is why we were so stubborn to keep Sav, but let Alvarez go so easily (a player I did not fancy for wanting to go). Same situation, same desire to go, but different attitude from our part.

If he didn't want to be here why would he sign a new long term contract.
He's a year younger than Bobb who we'd still class as a kid.
If it is Kolo improving Doku, Sav needs to be his next project because i'd far rather him or Bobb than Bernardo wide right.

[Nigels Tackle]

I can't agree. He wasn't just cold, he ran down blind alleys, final ball was terrible, goal scoring was crap. Completely the opposite this season

It shows a lot how important is to have someone who keeps an eye on him like Kolo is doing now.

What's Kolo doing with Sav then as he looks to have gone backwards this season.
He got 8 assists last season which is more than Doku or Grealish ever got.
Doku's been a revelation this season so far, Sav the opposite.

Savinho's performances is of a player that doesn't want to be here, if you ask me.
Don't blame the fella, it's on us this one. I don't know exactly what we wanted from Spuds, the valuation was very decent for him, we had an open door for Rodrygo because it is clear Alonso doesn't fancy him. We might be afraid of another Palmer situation?

It is the same thing with Donnarumma. We waited for Ed to go before getting him (or this is what we were led on). What would have happened if that would collapse and we would have been stuck with an unhappy Ed in goal?

What I don't get, going further, is why we were so stubborn to keep Sav, but let Alvarez go so easily (a player I did not fancy for wanting to go). Same situation, same desire to go, but different attitude from our part.

If he didn't want to be here why would he sign a new long term contract.
He's a year younger than Bobb who we'd still class as a kid.
If it is Kolo improving Doku, Sav needs to be his next project because i'd far rather him or Bobb than Bernardo wide right.

bobb's impact also needs to be discussed.... we were impotent on the flanks yesterday

[PeterParker]

I can't agree. He wasn't just cold, he ran down blind alleys, final ball was terrible, goal scoring was crap. Completely the opposite this season

It shows a lot how important is to have someone who keeps an eye on him like Kolo is doing now.

What's Kolo doing with Sav then as he looks to have gone backwards this season.
He got 8 assists last season which is more than Doku or Grealish ever got.
Doku's been a revelation this season so far, Sav the opposite.

Savinho's performances is of a player that doesn't want to be here, if you ask me.
Don't blame the fella, it's on us this one. I don't know exactly what we wanted from Spuds, the valuation was very decent for him, we had an open door for Rodrygo because it is clear Alonso doesn't fancy him. We might be afraid of another Palmer situation?

It is the same thing with Donnarumma. We waited for Ed to go before getting him (or this is what we were led on). What would have happened if that would collapse and we would have been stuck with an unhappy Ed in goal?

What I don't get, going further, is why we were so stubborn to keep Sav, but let Alvarez go so easily (a player I did not fancy for wanting to go). Same situation, same desire to go, but different attitude from our part.

If he didn't want to be here why would he sign a new long term contract.

No idea, mate. Maybe promises were made.

[Im_Spartacus]

Still a lot of negativity, which, considering where we were a few weeks ago and where we are, is surprising.

We're clearly still a distance from the finished product, but that was 3 points against a very decent team. Last season we'd have lost that game on 2 key situations, firstly we'd never scored the goal in such a direct manner even when we had Ederson, and secondly we'd probably had Ederson sent off when they went through on goal.

Rodri is a blow albeit it looks a minor setback. I'm more concerned that now we're finally using Haaland properly, if he gets injured we're far more fucked than we were without Rodri last year.

It's frustrating in light of the way we're now playing, that we don't have Grealish and kept hold of Savinho - letting Haaland and Grealish play their natural game would have been like signing 2 new players

[Nick]

Best thing about the game (apart from 3 points) was one lad I know pulling haaland in the crowd and fod getting his shirt and a cuddle after the match. Along with my derby day pic (not sure how i get on here) we are getting about

[Sparklehorse]

Surprised at the negativity in here. We win away and kept a clean sheet at a ground where we’ve come unstuck before.

Losing Rodri meant we’d not be as controlled. We actually played really well first half and failed to take a number of chances. Foden left his shooting boots home, despite playing well otherwise.

Not lost a game since Donnarumma signed. He’s having the Ruben Dias impact on our defense. It could be the glue that sets us straight.

Second half we were poor but we didn’t fall apart which was important. Why we get booked at throw ins but they can set it up like a training game and not get booked is shocking by the way.

The debate in Bobb, Sav and Doku is interesting. Bobb and Sav can both do good things but they just don’t do enough in a 90. Last year when Doku was erratic with his end product he still took on his man 2-3x as much as the other two do. Now he’s setting in and scoring he looks so much better than either of them. One or both need to find consistent threat or their spots are being taken by Marmoush and Cherki and they to the back of the line for me.

The difference between Bobb and Sav is that Bobb takes the defenders on, he broke through several times and if Foden had been sharper would have a great assist under his belt. Sav didn’t do it once, just sideways passing over and over again. Sorry, these two players are miles apart in skill and quality.

[Indianablue]

I still rate Sav but i think his best position is on the right not the left. Doku is doing ok. He's always prepared to take on a man but his end product is average. Doku is help by O Reilly and Gvardiol and support him. Our right side is not strong with Nunes as a fullback he isnt confident and is careless with his passes. Khusanov on the right was working ok until he got crocked. Good teams start with a settled defence. Donnarumma has shown he is a good stopper but distribution not as good as Eddy so dont pass it back as often. Trafford is also a decent keeper. Rodri is probably out for 3 weeks with his hamstring so others need to step up. Our squad is decent enough but they need to believe it. Haalands goal once again shows how he needs to be played.

[patrickblue]

I can't agree. He wasn't just cold, he ran down blind alleys, final ball was terrible, goal scoring was crap. Completely the opposite this season

It shows a lot how important is to have someone who keeps an eye on him like Kolo is doing now.

There may be something in this although don't think Kolo is the mentor he should be using other than for mentality. A part of the improvement for me is that KDB has gone. Always looked to me that Doku sought him out at every opportunity now he doesn't have that distraction and he's better for it

You could be right. I think it may go some way to explaining why KDB went as he did. If he was having that sort of affect on Doku, it's fair to say that it was the same with the rest of the midfield.
Maybe in the eyes of Pep and the rest of the squad, our midfield WAS KDB plus the others.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Surprised at the negativity in here. We win away and kept a clean sheet at a ground where we’ve come unstuck before.

Losing Rodri meant we’d not be as controlled. We actually played really well first half and failed to take a number of chances. Foden left his shooting boots home, despite playing well otherwise.

Not lost a game since Donnarumma signed. He’s having the Ruben Dias impact on our defense. It could be the glue that sets us straight.

Second half we were poor but we didn’t fall apart which was important. Why we get booked at throw ins but they can set it up like a training game and not get booked is shocking by the way.

The debate in Bobb, Sav and Doku is interesting. Bobb and Sav can both do good things but they just don’t do enough in a 90. Last year when Doku was erratic with his end product he still took on his man 2-3x as much as the other two do. Now he’s setting in and scoring he looks so much better than either of them. One or both need to find consistent threat or their spots are being taken by Marmoush and Cherki and they to the back of the line for me.

The difference between Bobb and Sav is that Bobb takes the defenders on, he broke through several times and if Foden had been sharper would have a great assist under his belt. Sav didn’t do it once, just sideways passing over and over again. Sorry, these two players are miles apart in skill and quality.

Bobb had a better game but I’m reserving judgement on who is going to be better long term. Sav is a year younger than Bobb too. Both too inconsistent still.

[Sparklehorse]

I watched Cole Palmer develop from the academy to the fringes of the first team. He had a few opportunities and showed glimpses here and there but never tore it up, off he goes and becomes a brilliant player for Chelsea and not for us. I and I’m sure others who watched him develop as a teenager knew he was destined for much greater things. Whether that’s down to Pep or Palmer, who knows, I suspect it’s a mixture of both. So to Bobb, a very similar story. In my humble opinion this guy has the potential to be world class, his speed of thinking and tremendous dribbling skills sets him apart from the average player, someone like McAtee. He’s still young still learning, holding the ball with a defender at his back seems to me to be his main weakness, if he plays fairly regularly this season, mark my words he will have an impact. Sav has nothing like the aforementioned, certainly nothing he’s shown this far and I just don’t see the potential. Yes, he’ll get occasional assists and occasional goals, he’s a winger at Man City. Not one for me, I wish him well of course, but I was disappointed he didn’t sign for Spuds. So the moral of the story for me is do not let Bobb go the way of Palmer, it will be a huge mistake.

[stupot]

I watched Cole Palmer develop from the academy to the fringes of the first team. He had a few opportunities and showed glimpses here and there but never tore it up, off he goes and becomes a brilliant player for Chelsea and not for us. I and I’m sure others who watched him develop as a teenager knew he was destined for much greater things. Whether that’s down to Pep or Palmer, who knows, I suspect it’s a mixture of both. So to Bobb, a very similar story. In my humble opinion this guy has the potential to be world class, his speed of thinking and tremendous dribbling skills sets him apart from the average player, someone like McAtee. He’s still young still learning, holding the ball with a defender at his back seems to me to be his main weakness, if he plays fairly regularly this season, mark my words he will have an impact. Sav has nothing like the aforementioned, certainly nothing he’s shown this far and I just don’t see the potential. Yes, he’ll get occasional assists and occasional goals, he’s a winger at Man City. Not one for me, I wish him well of course, but I was disappointed he didn’t sign for Spuds. So the moral of the story for me is do not let Bobb go the way of Palmer, it will be a huge mistake.

It wasn't occasional assists last season- it was the most in the squad.
This season he appears to have fallen off a cliff- up to the coaching staff to sort.
What pisses me off is the play acting, yesterday he claimed to have been fouled when he wasn't then lay on the floor pretending to be injured.when he wasn't then got up when he realised he wasn't getting it and dispossessed their guy

[Mase]

We're talking about a cunt that took a picture of a suitcase and posted it when his agent was trying to engineer a move away from the club. Utter helmet

[PeterParker]

I watched Cole Palmer develop from the academy to the fringes of the first team. He had a few opportunities and showed glimpses here and there but never tore it up, off he goes and becomes a brilliant player for Chelsea and not for us. I and I’m sure others who watched him develop as a teenager knew he was destined for much greater things. Whether that’s down to Pep or Palmer, who knows, I suspect it’s a mixture of both. So to Bobb, a very similar story. In my humble opinion this guy has the potential to be world class, his speed of thinking and tremendous dribbling skills sets him apart from the average player, someone like McAtee. He’s still young still learning, holding the ball with a defender at his back seems to me to be his main weakness, if he plays fairly regularly this season, mark my words he will have an impact. Sav has nothing like the aforementioned, certainly nothing he’s shown this far and I just don’t see the potential. Yes, he’ll get occasional assists and occasional goals, he’s a winger at Man City. Not one for me, I wish him well of course, but I was disappointed he didn’t sign for Spuds. So the moral of the story for me is do not let Bobb go the way of Palmer, it will be a huge mistake.

It wasn't occasional assists last season- it was the most in the squad.
This season he appears to have fallen off a cliff- up to the coaching staff to sort.
What pisses me off is the play acting, yesterday he claimed to have been fouled when he wasn't then lay on the floor pretending to be injured.when he wasn't then got up when he realised he wasn't getting it and dispossessed their guy

Last season, his first games here he was electric. Skill, speed, everything he impressed at Girona. I was a fan, but when there is a chance of selling him and getting Rodrygo, it's really a no-brainer.

Noticed also that play you mentioned. It was not his first.

[Nick]

We're talking about a cunt that took a picture of a suitcase and posted it when his agent was trying to engineer a move away from the club. Utter helmet

Yeah seems a big cunt, so that along with him turning into the shite one over the summer, im not keen.

[john@staustell]

I watched Cole Palmer develop from the academy to the fringes of the first team. He had a few opportunities and showed glimpses here and there but never tore it up, off he goes and becomes a brilliant player for Chelsea and not for us. I and I’m sure others who watched him develop as a teenager knew he was destined for much greater things. Whether that’s down to Pep or Palmer, who knows, I suspect it’s a mixture of both. So to Bobb, a very similar story. In my humble opinion this guy has the potential to be world class, his speed of thinking and tremendous dribbling skills sets him apart from the average player, someone like McAtee. He’s still young still learning, holding the ball with a defender at his back seems to me to be his main weakness, if he plays fairly regularly this season, mark my words he will have an impact. Sav has nothing like the aforementioned, certainly nothing he’s shown this far and I just don’t see the potential. Yes, he’ll get occasional assists and occasional goals, he’s a winger at Man City. Not one for me, I wish him well of course, but I was disappointed he didn’t sign for Spuds. So the moral of the story for me is do not let Bobb go the way of Palmer, it will be a huge mistake.

It wasn't occasional assists last season- it was the most in the squad.
This season he appears to have fallen off a cliff- up to the coaching staff to sort.
What pisses me off is the play acting, yesterday he claimed to have been fouled when he wasn't then lay on the floor pretending to be injured.when he wasn't then got up when he realised he wasn't getting it and dispossessed their guy

He went off like Carl Lewis when he got up

It's a Brazilian thing

[Bluemoon4610]

I watched Cole Palmer develop from the academy to the fringes of the first team. He had a few opportunities and showed glimpses here and there but never tore it up, off he goes and becomes a brilliant player for Chelsea and not for us. I and I’m sure others who watched him develop as a teenager knew he was destined for much greater things. Whether that’s down to Pep or Palmer, who knows, I suspect it’s a mixture of both. So to Bobb, a very similar story. In my humble opinion this guy has the potential to be world class, his speed of thinking and tremendous dribbling skills sets him apart from the average player, someone like McAtee. He’s still young still learning, holding the ball with a defender at his back seems to me to be his main weakness, if he plays fairly regularly this season, mark my words he will have an impact. Sav has nothing like the aforementioned, certainly nothing he’s shown this far and I just don’t see the potential. Yes, he’ll get occasional assists and occasional goals, he’s a winger at Man City. Not one for me, I wish him well of course, but I was disappointed he didn’t sign for Spuds. So the moral of the story for me is do not let Bobb go the way of Palmer, it will be a huge mistake.

It wasn't occasional assists last season- it was the most in the squad.
This season he appears to have fallen off a cliff- up to the coaching staff to sort.
What pisses me off is the play acting, yesterday he claimed to have been fouled when he wasn't then lay on the floor pretending to be injured.when he wasn't then got up when he realised he wasn't getting it and dispossessed their guy

He went off like Carl Lewis when he got up

It's a Brazilian thing

So a bit of shaving in the right areas and I can be an Olympic sprinter? Where's me razor...?